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Is there any chance I would be able to reclaim my grandfathers old house in Ostrolenka?


David_18 68 | 982
19 Sep 2011 #2
You can allways try ^^

Please report back with the answer, i would really need a good laugh :)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
19 Sep 2011 #3
Is there any chance I would be able to reclaim my grandfathers old house in Ostrolenka?

are u sure it's still there ?

do u know if it is occupied or not ?

did he actually own it or just live in it and pay rent ?

have u seen any official papers for the house. ?

more details required.
OP Somerset 2 | 19
20 Sep 2011 #4
All I know, is that in 1939 the Germans came for 2 weeks, ripped out my great-grandfathers gold teeth, looted the place and his were deported across to the border to Russia for the duration of the war.

I know my grandmothers place in Pinsk was flattened by the war, but there are still some valuables her father hid there, lying in the ground somwhere, maybe I will go to Pinsk to look for it.
David_18 68 | 982
20 Sep 2011 #5
To be honest i dont think you will have that much luck getting anything back.

First of all plenty of Poles lost their homes after ww2 by the communists, such as the Polish nobility and other wealthy people who were not alowed to own more then 50~ hectars. And untill today many have not recivied anything back from the state simply because there is so many that want their estates and homes back.

Your family is not the only ones with a sad story about how they lost everything.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
20 Sep 2011 #6
Has any non Jewish Pole ever managed to reclaim back some long dead persons house?
Please dont make this a them and us, I just meant plainly, do non jewish descendents of wartime Poles ever feel the compulsion to get back something they never owned?

Its not something I have ever come across where as the old story of a British/American jewish person trying to get Grandpas house is pretty darn common.
pawian 176 | 15,325
20 Sep 2011 #7
=Somerset]but there are still some valuables her father hid there, lying in the ground somwhere, maybe I will go to Pinsk to look for it.

Her grandpa`s gold teeth?
David_18 68 | 982
20 Sep 2011 #8
I just meant plainly, do non jewish descendents of wartime Poles ever feel the compulsion to get back something they never owned?

Ow yes.

Its one of the favourite past times for the Ex Polish nobles to reclaim their estates.
isthatu2 4 | 2,703
20 Sep 2011 #9
Under Polish law disowned families can only get compensation for property taken by the communists if the belongings were taken away illegally under the laws of communist Poland.

Crikey,is that right????
Thats Kafkasque :)
OP Somerset 2 | 19
20 Sep 2011 #10
taken by the communists

what if it was taken by the nazis?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
20 Sep 2011 #11
Come on Somerset use your brain a little. Do you think the house somehow remained in Nazi hands after 1945?
pawian 176 | 15,325
20 Sep 2011 #12
=Somerset]Is there any chance I would be able to reclaim my grandfathers old house in Ostrolenka?

I am afraid it was destroyed during WW2:

zwoje-scrolls/zwoje28/text15p.htm
OP Somerset 2 | 19
20 Sep 2011 #13
Thanks for the pic pawian, my ancestors proabaly prayed in that building. Do you have anymore pre 1939 pics of Ostrolenka or perahps a youtube vid? ( if you have some of Pinsk that would be good too.)

djenkuje
beckski 12 | 1,617
20 Sep 2011 #14
Do you have anymore pre 1939 pics of Ostrolenka

Pawian's remarkable pics never cease to amaze me. He is truly the PF historian :)
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 161
20 Sep 2011 #15
My paternal babcia and her family were forced to flee Wilno during the war. They left behind their house/property there. :(
David_18 68 | 982
20 Sep 2011 #16
Under Polish law disowned families can only get compensation for property taken by the communists if the belongings were taken away illegally under the laws of communist Poland.

And how many got compensated? 1 or 2?

Pawian's remarkable pics never cease to amaze me. He is truly the PF historian :)

Don't think so.... He might have some nice pics but reading Pawians history posts are just..............
gumishu 11 | 5,701
20 Sep 2011 #17
consider that the house in question is now a private property Somerset - how do you want it back then? - even if the current owners acquired the property unlawfully (which might be the case) there is such a law concept in Polish law (have no idea about the Anglo-Saxon world) as 'zasiedzenie' (I have found some English translation as acquisitive prescription but I have no idea if it is a good translation) - there are at least two kinds of 'zasiedzenie' in POlish law - one is 'zasiedzenie' in good faith the other 'zasiedzenie' in bad faith - however both lead to the acquisition of ownership rights to a property over a prolonged time - in good faith type of 'zasiedzenie' the period to become a lawfull owner is considerably shorter - I am not 100 per cent sure but for 50 years is still enough for the occupiers of ill faith to become rightful owners of a property


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