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f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Nov 2012 #31
Was it to prove that none of the usual PF trolls actually live in Poland? If so, I think that you've proved a point...

yea, why Delph?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #32
There was no intent whatsoever :)

Very strange how most nationalist, right wing posters failed to say though.
TommyG 1 | 361
13 Nov 2012 #33
It's not that strange... The reality is that those posters typically have never lived in Poland, have no Polish blood, connections or friends. Their sole purpose on this site is to stir racial hatred. They're not really going to admit they they live in the UK, EIRE or in the USA, are they?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
13 Nov 2012 #34
It's not that strange... The reality is that those posters typically have never lived in Poland, have no Polish blood

I find it strange that amongst some British posters, living in Poland, with no Polish blood, is that they cleave together like a pack of mangey curs, when posting on this forum, despite Britian's reputation for producing individualists. I guess the experience of living in Poland eliminates that admirable national characteristic in some British expatriates, or maybe they were conformist sheeple to begin with. It is unfortunate.

To answer the thread's query. No, I do not live in Poland. I am residing in the golden state of California where the weather is usually grand and lately the surf is almost always up!
f stop 25 | 2,513
13 Nov 2012 #35
Very strange how most nationalist, right wing posters failed to say though.

You constantly try to make your point that EVERYONE that is not living in Poland right now somehow lost their connection to it. And EVERYONE that IS in Poland right now has her best interest at heart. I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #36
The reality is that those posters typically have never lived in Poland, have no Polish blood, connections or friends. Their sole purpose on this site is to stir racial hatred.

Exactly. It's very predictable - and amusing. They constantly tell us what's best for Poland, yet none of them actually live here or do anything for Poland. Some of them are so deluded that they think writing stuff online about Poland somehow helps Poland.

(honourable exception goes to a poster called WielkiPolak - our political views are different, but he's open about who he is and he doesn't pretend to be living in Poland)

You constantly try to make your point that EVERYONE that is not living in Poland right now somehow lost their connection to it.

They certainly have. Even the 2004 era Poles that went to the UK are starting to lose touch. It's normal and a natural consequence of emigration.

And EVERYONE that IS in Poland right now has her best interest at heart.

Why on earth would anyone live in Poland if they didn't have the country's best interests at heart? It's not exactly a place for the easy life.
TommyG 1 | 361
13 Nov 2012 #37
To answer the thread's query. No, I do not live in Poland

There, that wasn't too hard was it;)

And for the record:

some British posters, living in Poland, with no Polish blood

I don't think you know which British (Irish, or even American) posters living in Poland have Polish blood and which do not.
You the one 'conforming' pal, not me. 'Sheep' stay at home and bash everyone who is different or think different to them. Such a shame;)
4 eigner 2 | 831
13 Nov 2012 #38
Why on earth would anyone live in Poland if they didn't have the country's best interests at heart?

OK DD, this is not quite right, there are many reasons for people to immigrate to another country and you know it.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #39
But... why would someone stay here if they hated it? I can understand staying in the United States if they hate it, because you can make so much money there - but Poland?

(for me, if I begin to hate Poland, I can jump in my car and move to another 30, soon to be 31 other countries)
Vincent 9 | 924 Moderator
13 Nov 2012 #40
But... why would someone stay here if they hated it?

For some the reason could be, their wife's/girlfriends/partners/boyfriends wish to live there , and they have no choice if they want to keep them. It also makes me wonder why a teacher, or other professions would want to work in another country with a low income? My instincts tell me that some probably wouldn't be good enough to do these jobs in their own native country where the wages could be 5 times higher, or like I just said, someone from the opposite sex are somehow involved in their decision.

I know from my short visits to Poland, that's it's easy to fall in love with the country, or admire the generosity of the Polish people when they accept you as a friend, or as friend of their sons/ daughters etc. Others could have Polish roots and wish to live there amongst their own, so these could be two genuine reasons to live there, but I just don't get why anyone would go to work somewhere, where the income could be up to 5 times less, than it would be at home?
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #41
For some the reason could be, their wife's/girlfriends/partners/boyfriends wish to live there , and they have no choice if they want to keep them.

Yes, you're totally correct. I think it's a terrible reason to go - it can only really end in tears.

It also makes me wonder why a teacher, or other professions would want to work in another country with a low income? My instincts tell me that some probably wouldn't be good enough to do these jobs in their own native country where the wages could be 5 times higher

I can only talk from my point of view - my salary is roughly half of what it would be in the UK, but I would be highly unlikely to have the same opportunity so quickly - and also unlikely to have such professional competence (for example - curriculum design - I have a significant amount of freedom, way more than the National Curriculum offers). So it's a no brainer at the moment, but I still intend next year to apply for QTS status in England as a useful backup. I actually think as well that I wouldn't cope too well with the UK way of doing things - it's too rigid and bureaucratic. So yes - you would be right that I probably wouldn't be very good there.

My dream is to work one day at Summerhill School - summerhillschool.co.uk - one day!

I know from my short visits to Poland, that's it's easy to fall in love with the country, or admire the generosity of the Polish people when they accept you as a friend, or as friend of their sons/ daughters etc.

Funnily enough - for me, it's not even the people (though I have wonderful friends here) - but rather the way that there's just so much to do. I might be attending a second conference in Lviv soon, I'm going to Berlin for some professional training, and it's a fantastic base to explore history. I think - at least from where I stand - I found the UK suffocating in isolated it feels.

but I just don't get why anyone would go to work somewhere, where the income could be up to 5 times less, than it would be at home?

What interests me is guys in their 30's who do it - I can't imagine how they could walk away like that from decent money and decent living conditions.

I predict that we will see a spate of divorces in years to come here - and with it, many PF threads ;)
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
13 Nov 2012 #42
I can only talk from my point of view - my salary is roughly half of what it would be in the UK

Are you actually qualified to teach English in the UK? Isn't half of zero still zero?

My instincts tell me that some probably wouldn't be good enough to do these jobs in their own native country

I think your instincts are right in this case.
Vincent 9 | 924 Moderator
13 Nov 2012 #43
Isn't half of zero still zero?

Des, please don't add sarcastic remarks.

I think your instincts are right in this case.

I did say "some" as some people on here ask about Celta etc. I also think the previous poster answered in a fair manner, and "no" I'm not taking sides.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #44
Are you actually qualified to teach English in the UK?

Yes. Along with the full rights to teach elementary education, including kindergarten. I'm only missing one piece of paper that's granted as a formality - but I don't need it as it's England-specific - I'll apply for it when I can be bothered.

Isn't half of zero still zero?

edited - personal attack
Vincent 9 | 924 Moderator
13 Nov 2012 #45
Delphi the same goes for you, please don't add any sarcastic remarks.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #46
I deleted it already - it was unwise, I know.
TommyG 1 | 361
13 Nov 2012 #47
but I just don't get why anyone would go to work somewhere, where the income could be up to 5 times less, than it would be at home?

One reason might be that the rent is 5 times cheaper (for me at least), but the income is certainly not 5 times less. You would be suprised just how far a monthly pay packet can stretch in Poland.

However, some people are only interested in money and cannot see beyond material possessions or a fat bank account.
Poland certainly isn't for everyone, I might not ever be 'rich' here, but there's much more to life than money mate.
I hope that helps you to understand a little bit...
Vincent 9 | 924 Moderator
13 Nov 2012 #48
but there's much more to life than money mate.

And without money , we wouldn't have much of a life!
TommyG 1 | 361
13 Nov 2012 #49
Define having a 'life'... I know plenty of people with money who don't have a life.
Try to tempt me back home with mere money, go on, I dare ya:P
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
13 Nov 2012 #50
And without money , we wouldn't have much of a life!

It's strange, but I read a thing online a while ago about some guy in Geneva who was earning 850 Swiss Francs a day (or in real money - a shade over 200,000 pounds a year) in Geneva. He was complaining about being skint despite working in a very high pressure job - he had a house in the UK to pay for, private school for 3 kids and reasonable accomodation/transport in Geneva as well as flights to/from the UK every weekend. He was rich on paper - but not in reality.
ShawnH 8 | 1,507
14 Nov 2012 #51
I know plenty of people with money who don't have a life.

True. One has to find the right balance. Money, family, friends, health, freedom etc. are all part of the "personal equation" for happiness. Some people lean more one way than the other.
TommyG 1 | 361
14 Nov 2012 #52
I must tell him and his crew of forum trolls to hire a new private detective to stalk me

No one is stalking you. You're not that special.

This forum really is a creepy place.

Some members are really creepy.

Mods - I don't think Des should be leaking personal information about other PF members.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
14 Nov 2012 #53
Mods - I don't think Des should be leaking personal information about other PF members.

What about the moderator Vincent? Should he be keeping delphiandomine's claims about my personal life posted after even delphiandomine himself deleted them? Oh wait is it that Vincent is Britsh and you wouldn't complain about a fellow Brit's asinine behavior? If so then you are sickening hypocrite.

Some members are really creepy.

And some moderators are too.
TommyG 1 | 361
14 Nov 2012 #54
Oh wait is it that Vincent is Britsh and you wouldn't complain about a fellow Brit's asinine behavior?

If you want to pick a fight with a moderator after making personal attacks on PF members, then it is your behaviour that is 'asinine'.

Back on topic. Des, so you don't live in Poland. What a shock! You don't live in Israel either? Big shock! And yet you have such strong opinions about these countries...
Barney 15 | 1,520
14 Nov 2012 #55
If he UK allows such people to become English teachers in their national school system then I feel very sorry for the UK.

Not taking sides here but to teach in England and Wales you need qualified teacher status. I think delph is qualified to teach English outside the state schools but so is my 12 year old daughter.

I've said it before English teaching is a racket full stop. If you can make a living from it fair play but it’s no big shake.
Vincent 9 | 924 Moderator
14 Nov 2012 #56
I know plenty of people with money who don't have a life

Normally heard that said by people on low wages and struggling :) Joking aside, most of us go to work, because we have to. We need to earn money to pay the bills have some kind of comfortable Life. People who have higher incomes seem to be more comfortable than people on low incomes, and this seems to be the "rule of thumb" in every country.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
14 Nov 2012 #57
I'll pick a fight with any fool that crosses me, moderator or not.

after making personal attacks on PF members

What personal attacks have I made? I have had a creepy Scotsman make claims about my personal life and then immediately delete them and then had another creepy Brit qoute them and keep them posted, and the latter is supossed to be a moderator here! This place is ridiculous.
OP delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
14 Nov 2012 #58
Not taking sides here but to teach in England and Wales you need qualified teacher status.

That's what I'm going to apply for as soon as I can be bothered to do the documentation - it's automatically granted (according to what I was told a few months ago by the General Teaching Council before it was changed) to those who have 3 years experience + 'qualified' status in another EU country. The only issue is that I'm pretty certain they won't qualify me to go beyond Key Stage 1 when it comes to primary teaching - and there appears to be no easy way to upgrade it in Poland. From talking to them informally, it seems that I'll have the right to teach KS1 primary + EAL, KS2 EAL and KS3+4 EAL+English. Madness, but that's what it translates to in England.
TommyG 1 | 361
14 Nov 2012 #59
Normally heard that said by people on low wages and struggling :)

What makes you think that either of these applies to me?

Joking aside, most of us go to work, because we have to

Ah, that's the difference you see. I go to work because I want to, and not because I have to:P

This place is ridiculous.

Then leave! No one will miss you. The only tears that will be shed are your own...
Barney 15 | 1,520
14 Nov 2012 #60
You have to get the equivalent of QTS ie full teacher status in Poland or do science o level to teach beyond KS1 But I'm not sure about England and Wales. There would be few schools that would employ someone to teach only KS1.

A long shot but perhaps try the OU if you have a partner school in Poland.

Edit

English as an additional language positions are very difficult to get


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