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World's 'most wanted man' (a Pole) found working at British Subway restaurant


Harry
22 Jan 2016  #1
This is a bit odd to say the least. It also raises a number of questions:
Why has the UK apparently become the number one destination for Polish criminals on the run? Is it the size of Polish community there making it easy for them to hide or is there something the British authorities are doing or not doing that makes the UK a better place to be than Poland? If it's the latter, what, if anything can be done to change that?

Also, was having a job just part of his cover or he really did kneed the bread?

Anyway, here's the first part of the article.

Polish national Piotr Kupiec, 28, who is on the Interpol most wanted list, was arrested after an investigation into gangland killings, theft, violence and murder.

Piotr Kupiec, 28, was arrested after an investigation by Polish officers into gangland killings, theft and violence and the murder of a football fan .

They tracked him down to the historic market town of Devizes, Wiltshire, and found he was employed at the sandwich shop, located just yards from Wiltshire Police headquarters.

Full article here: mirrornews/uk-news/worlds-most-wanted-man-found-7219670

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Tictactoe
22 Jan 2016  #2
And the Polish don't want refugees !! Shocking and just proves how stupid the EU freedom of movement is when some Dr from the US needs to meet conditions for entry and then you read that.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,625
22 Jan 2016  #3
Is it the size of Polish community there making it easy for them to hide

Must be, combined with the idiotic Polish culture of not reporting crime and criminals to the authorities.
OP Harry
22 Jan 2016  #4
just proves how stupid the EU freedom of movement is

On balance those are actually an excellent set of laws and very useful. Obviously they do need a bit of work, as is shown by the case of that Polish woman in the UK who murdered her husband by repeated stamping on his head can't be deported. They're far better than the kind of human rights law that prevents the UK from deporting a Serbian war criminal.

culture of not reporting crime and criminals to the authorities.

To be fair to Polonia in the UK, how many police stations in the UK have a fluent speaker of Polish?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,671
22 Jan 2016  #5
how many police stations in the UK have a fluent speaker of Polish?

all of them Harry, on the end of a phone or in person by appointment.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016  #6
Poland has benefited many ways with the freedom of movement act, many petty criminals have now moved on to the UK, where there is an established community and they are very unlikely to do any time for petty theft or shoplifting.

In broader terms this is good way for Poland to get rid of bad rubbish, I did hear that some prisons have posters promoting British cities like Brighton but this just maybe a urban legend.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
22 Jan 2016  #7
The friend of a student of mine served a few months in a British prison for affray. He said it was a chance for him to do his FCE free, do some weight training, and eat healthily for a change. The prospect of being imprisoned in the future was anything but a deterrent.
Ironside 48 | 9,704
22 Jan 2016  #8
It also raises a number of questions:

Wow Captain Obvious, so called freedom of movement allows criminals to travel as well and it isn't limited to only one nation or one country. Italian mafia people were known to hide in Poland, British criminals in Spain, Polish criminals in Britain or whatnot, have you been hibernating for the last 20 years? I don't pay much attention to those information so I'm sure they are not up to the date right now.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016  #9
From what I hear British prison is a soft option compared to Poland. Maybe someone here has some personal experience and would wish to share.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
22 Jan 2016  #10
Polish prisons may not be as bad as people think. Years ago I taught a guy who sold bread in large quantities to institutions like hospitals and prisons. He said that occasionally, when he was doing business in a local prison around mealtimes, the prison staff would invite him to join them in the canteen, where they would have exactly the same as the prisoners. He described breakfast to me: scrambled eggs, tomato and cucumber salad, cheese, and two kinds of fresh bread. On the January morning he told me this I had got up at 0500, breakfasted on a slice of the previous day's bread, walked twenty minutes to catch a freezing cold bus for an hour, and then walked another ten minutes to work. Who's the mug?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
22 Jan 2016  #11
Most probably because the guy has figured that he can hide among the so many Poles in UK.
jon357 63 | 14,122
22 Jan 2016  #12
Polish prisons may not be as bad as people think.

No the prison officers were being misleading at best. That food he mentioned was from the visitors room, where there is usually a small canteen where visitors can (in certain circumstances) by food for inmates, to be consumed in their presence. The slop that is served in the cells is far far worse. They certainly don't get scrambled eggs, salad or bread that is in any way fresh.

Here's another bizarre story about a dangerous criminal hiding out in the uk.

A "heavy duty" career criminal who went on a naked, ecstasy-fuelled rampage through a busy toy store - abducting a six-year-old boy then battering the terrified boy's grandmother with a cricket bat when she intervened - was today jailed for three years.

Przemyslaw Kaluzny was previously a member of a Polish criminal gang who stole cars to order before moving to Scotland a year before his crazed attack. Kaluzny will now be sent back to Poland to serve his sentence after immigration papers were served on him.

scotsman.com/news/odd/polish-criminal-jailed-for-naked-drugs-rampage-through-dundee-toys-r-us-1-4007681
Roger5 1 | 1,458
22 Jan 2016  #13
Białystok is known for its hospitality! But perhaps you're right. All I can say is what I was told. As for fresh bread, how would you deliberately source 300kg of guaranteed stale bread every day? The fresh bread I believe, at least.
jon357 63 | 14,122
22 Jan 2016  #14
As for fresh bread, how would you deliberately source 300kg of guaranteed stale bread every day?

They don't (in Warsaw, anyway) buy it daily. They get it every few days and use the oldest first. Many prisoners throw it away. It's possible (for those who have money) to buy fresher bread or crispbread on the 'buy up' which happens (in theory) every ten days.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
22 Jan 2016  #15
I bow to your greater knowledge. Not from personal experience, I hope.

a dangerous criminal hiding out in the uk.

What a nightmare. Great that he was sent to Poland to serve his sentence.
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016  #16
" sent to Poland to serve his sentence." I would probably be a good idea to give him a free coach ticket back to the UK when he completes it.
Bieganski 17 | 901
22 Jan 2016  #17
Why has the UK apparently become the number one destination for Polish criminals on the run?

Indeed, it's like taking coal to Newcastle.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,625
22 Jan 2016  #18
To be fair to Polonia in the UK, how many police stations in the UK have a fluent speaker of Polish?

I reckon the UK probably has plenty of Polish speaking interpreters available, given the amount of criminality among the post-2004 Polonia there.

crimestoppers-uk.org/misc/other-languages/#Polski - and crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/how-to-give-information/

What's interesting among the new Polonia is how strange their crimes really are - I was reading one local rag (Bristol, I think?) where the Poles had been doing odd things like driving around naked when drunk. Not boring people, that's for sure!
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016  #19
"like driving around naked when drunk" don't forget Delph once you get your passport you will be one of us, welcome to Poland,
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
22 Jan 2016  #20
World's 'most wanted man' (a Pole)

I doubt this guy ever reached top 1000 "most wanted men".

And the Polish don't want refugees !!

Why the hell should we want "refugees" ? Because you British are stupid enough to import our trash then we should import ME and African trash ? One has to be British to come up with this "logic".

idiotic Polish culture of not reporting crime and criminals to the authorities.

Nonsense as nearly always. If that was true, the best option for this and similar guys would be to stay in Poland.

Poles had been doing odd things like driving around naked when drunk.

Says a British guy. What's next ? A German complaining that Poles like kinky sex ?
NocyMrok
22 Jan 2016  #21
Not boring people, that's for sure!

Says a Briton from Britain where every Friday and Saturday after 3am (not to mention new years eve) there are hundreds of 200 pound drunk female whales laying half naked on the pavement. British hypocrisy is limitless
Borsukrates 5 | 131
22 Jan 2016  #22
And the Polish don't want refugees !!

Many Poles who are fed up with their country migrate. They're probably not the Poles who are scared of refugees.

Why UK ? It's fairly close. Transport is good. English is the most commonly learned language in Poland. Many Poles despise Russia, have grudges against Germany, but nothing against UK. Czech Republic doesn't have so nice wages. And yes, there are already plenty of Poles in UK.
Crow 137 | 7,588
22 Jan 2016  #23
Why has the UK apparently become the number one destination for Polish criminals on the run?

knowing methods of police worldwide and knowing methods of British government- great mastermind of manipulation, intrigues and lies, i am absolutely sure that is British government behind Polish criminal gangs in UK. Why? well, for all sorts of reason

i hope that i helped you with your dilemma Harry
dolnoslask
22 Jan 2016  #24
Britain is a great place to make a big bag of cash be it legal or illegal, it will remain a magnet for all and sundry, many are making hay while the sun shines.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,625
23 Jan 2016  #25
Why UK ?

One of the few countries to let Poles in freely in 2004, that's all. By the time 2007 rolled around, they were well established and so it continues to attract them.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Jan 2016  #26
Re Polish prisons, a couple of years ago, a client of mine (big lawyer) told me about a max security prison (I don't remember name and where it is but never mind) whose inmates were complaining about food. What is important is that the prison had just hired a new cook who could make 25 different kinds of soups, which means that they never ate the same soup twice in a row....

I have (fortunately) no personal knowledge re prisons in Poland or elsewhere but the info above comes from someone who does (because lawyer).

On the other hand, I have often read that in Polish prisons, in order to have heating in their cells, inmates had to pay and that the main type of food served was ... cabbage. Like said, I don't personally know...
Jardinero 1 | 407
24 Jan 2016  #27
main type of food served was ... cabbage

One of the healthiest vegetables out there, no doubt... if that's true, the state seems to look after their inmates - otherwise they would serve them kiełbasa/parówki or BigMac type crop on daily bases...
InPolska 11 | 1,821
24 Jan 2016  #28
cabbage is quite cheap, in fact close to za darmo ;). However, when thyroid problems and need to take thyroxin pills every morning just to remain alive, cabbage (broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts.... .. + other fruit/vegetables like radishes, corn... ) is to be avoided. I happen to know since I haD thyroid cancer.

Moreover, cooking cabbage all day, what a smell!!! ;)
Jardinero 1 | 407
24 Jan 2016  #29
thyroid problems

I'm sure there's a tiny % of population with allergies or worse problems as such - that doesn't mean it's not a good diet for the remaining say 98-99%... that with other vegetables, oats, etc - and we get a simple, healthy diet... so healthy food is neither fancy nor expensive.

Just listened to an interview with a bloke who competes in not only iron-man, but ultra-man triathlon events - and guess what: apparently 100% vegan with simple diet... says he recovers quicker without animal products at all...

cooking cabbage all day, what a smell

That's true, but inmates don't cook meals in their cells...
Crow 137 | 7,588
24 Jan 2016  #30
Good day Harry

If i can ask you Harry, do you really believe that is world's most wanted man, a Polish man who works at British Subway restaurant. i ask because that was logic of my grandmother. Good lady liked to exaggerate. i don`t know it somehow made her to feel important. Kind of personal klick. But what is with you man?


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