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2.79% of Ukrainian asylum seekers granted asylum


delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
21 Aug 2017 #31
"Expats" again proved to be full of nonsense. Case closed.

In that case, what justification does the Polish government have for evacuating refugees from Mariupol and other places?

"Polish" again proved to be full of nonsense. Case closed.
gumishu 11 | 5,182
21 Aug 2017 #32
what justification does the Polish government have for evacuating refugees from Mariupol and other places?

these people held Polish Cards or whatever you call it in English - they were deemed Polish and as such offered a repatriation scheme - many used the opportunity
Ironside 49 | 10,308
21 Aug 2017 #33
Doug must have been a super low risk if they let him in during the commie days,

It doesn't surprise me as he is a commie they welcomed him with the open arms.
He doesn't think, he reacts. Nothing stops him from taking to his own house an Ukrainian in need or how many his hearth desire and support them. Nah, he rather preach to others what they should do. No-one is asking him.

because they know they won't get it, while very few Poles in the UK post-war didn't apply for British citizenship

Your dishonesty and a manipulative deceitful nature is clearly visible here. Your argument is not even an argument, it makes no sense. Comparing Polish combatants and their families in Britain after WWII to the Uknianian workers in Poland today is like comparing apples and oranges.

Those Ukrainians didn't fight for Poland like Poles did fight for Brinian (ultimately).
They haven't lost their country, they lost only a very small part of it.
If they're combatants why they are in Poland? The fight still goes on!
If they are refugees what Ukrainian society and Ukrainian government does for them? Not a thing? the PiS- gov pumped into oligarchy that is ruling that country about 40 billion or million (don't recall the number). Send there a lot of money.

Poland is not a rich country by any stretch of imagination.
Poland doesn't own Them a thing.
As far as I'm aware they still have their own government in Kiev - what they are doing to address the problem?

How hilarious that you claim Poles has British citizenship "foisted" on them and then you post proof that that never happened!

Why don't you stick to the topic? You going off your rocker all over the place and than you whine that mods are heavy handed and unfair. Soon you gonna whine about being racially profiled as a part of their discriminatory policy towards trolls.

@G(underblanket)
Indeed. Those migratory commies are creating a false narrative to bash people on the head with their nonsense. You're right that is not even an issue.
OP Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
21 Aug 2017 #34
Apparently, it was set up to **** off dolno .

Absolutely not. What has it got to do with Dolno? What a silly remark. We are discussing refugees from a neighbouring country who need humanitarian help and have been incorrectly assessed by a non- caring system. Not everybody is fit to work. Did Poles in 1940 go off happily to work in Syria singing "Hi, ho...."?

The fact is that PIS have been banging on about there being no need to take the 7,000 quota of immigrants allocated to them by their peers/club members in the EU, because they have "taken in" tens of thousands of Ukrainian refugees." They have issued work permits to tens of thousands of Ukrainian migrants.

The governments' stance of helping Ukrainians is a fallacy, and is at worst blatant racism.
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The government refuses to recognise the difference between refugees and migrants. Poland needs migrants, but is sending back a Donbass family this week who witnessed their home being razed to the ground and whose children are clearly severely traumatised, ergo should not be forced to return under any circumstances. Read the case, it's out there.
Bieganski 17 | 901
22 Aug 2017 #35
no need to take the 7,000 quota of immigrants allocated to them by their peers/club members in the EU...and is at worst blatant racism.

Peers/club members in the EU?

Blatant racism?

Well, let's take a look at one of these so-called non-Polish peers demanding Poland comply with quotas for costly and unneeded economic migrants:

Poland accuses EU's Schulz of 'German arrogance' in migrant spat

Schulz said on German television...that any refusal to accept people fleeing war in the Middle East and North Africa would show a lack of European "solidarity".

reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-poland-schulz-idUSKCN0T61RK20151117

That was back in 2015 and it was still his intransigent stance in 2017:

Martin Schulz to Viktor Orbán: No refugees means no subsidies

Schulz...would...cut subsidies to countries that do not take in refugees. His comments came as the European Commission voted to launch infringement proceedings against the Czech Republic, Poland, and Hungary for not taking in refugees under a...quota system advocated by Germany.

politico.eu/article/hungary-martin-schulz-to-victor-orban-no-refugees-means-no-subsidies

The German madman Schulz is not interested in what is good for the EU. And he most certainly is not interested in what is good for Poland.

Is he at least interested in what is good for Germany? Well, this is what he had to say about that:



Talk about being an agent of a foreign power.

Fake news you cry?

Nope. Read it and weep:

Say a Big 'Thank You' to Martin Schulz

haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.574332

Yes, thank you Martin for keeping your precious, precious Israel a racially pure ethno-theocratic state by absorbing all the riff-raff in the surrounding region into Europe instead.

There are indeed racists in Europe but they aren't marching in the streets protesting the quotas. Quite the contrary. The true sociopathic racists are already walking around in the corridors of power in Brussels and Berlin establishing the quotas and trying to ram them down everybody's throat. And it is guaranteed that these quota setting hucksters won't personally be living anywhere near the third world migrants who will fill the quotas.

As much as you and your ilk detest PiS at least they are representing the will of the Polish electorate and are in a better position than you will ever be to know first hand who the real duplicitous actors are who wouldn't think twice of harming Poland irreparably. At least the current government in Poland has the courage and conviction to say no to them.
gumishu 11 | 5,182
22 Aug 2017 #36
We are discussing refugees from a neighbouring country who need humanitarian help

Dougpol doesn't understand English apparently :

This definition implies that several qualifying conditions apply to be considered a refugee... (3) incapacity to enjoy the protection of one's own state from the persecution feared.The definition of refugees was actually intended to exclude internally displaced persons,economic migrants..

now Dougpol use your brain to apply that explanation to Ukrainian asylum seekers (if you have one)
OP Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
22 Aug 2017 #37
Dougpol doesn't understand

So pray do explain why Ukrainians have been granted asylum in other countries? 20 in Germany, 40 in Italy, and so on. Ok, so Polish law doesn't allow for it - so change the law if you don't all want to be tarred with the same brush. A fair and sitting on the fence treatise, written by a Pole, about the case for refugees from the Polish establishment, can be found below. And it makes for pretty depressing reading.

Not if you give a flying **** of course...... and if the government hadn't categorically said "We are not going to take any refugees, because we have taken in 150 thousand Ukrainians", they wouldn't have looked so ridiculous.

The actual statements made by politicians to that end might have been lost in translation, but somehow with this lot it's a moot point.

fmreview.org/destination-europe/szczepanik-tylec.html
gumishu 11 | 5,182
22 Aug 2017 #38
20 in Germany, 40 in Italy,

whole 20 in Germany - that's a staggering number

the government said it would not take any refugees because Polish people don't want it - you have beef with the will of Polish people?
Harry
22 Aug 2017 #39
the government said it would not take any refugees because Polish people don't want it

Got a source supporting that stance? And I'm not talking about what you heard on TVPiS.
OP Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
22 Aug 2017 #40
whole 20 in Germany - that's a staggering number

It is...... when you consider that a great many of these people were morally deserving cases, and Poland has granted asylum to just 3 when I last checked, over the last 3 years....

These are Slavs, who lived in a neighbouring country for chrissakes.... not some "murzyny", and Poland won't even help them, but instead leave it to the Germans, Italians and the Czechs to step up to the plate, the last of whom granted asylum to over 300?

The term "Laughing stock" comes to mind here. And it's your government again.
As to the Ukrainian question, as another poster referred to, as in "they killed our nan" - under that premise the British would have had no truck with the Japanese or the Germans, and in fact the Scots wouldn't acknowledge the English, and so on down the line.

Better luck with the sarcasm next time!
Ironside 49 | 10,308
22 Aug 2017 #41
So pray do explain why Ukrainians have been granted asylum in other countries? 20 in Germany, 40 in Italy, and so on.

Ask them Doug. That is a very good question. Go and ask them. If you find out something that would make sense, come back and tell us.

Ok, so Polish law doesn't allow for it - so change the law if you don't all want to be tarred with the same brush.

Give me a good reason to change that law? I think that law is sound and good.

We are not going to take any refugees, because we have taken in 150 thousand Ukrainians", they wouldn't have looked so ridiculous.

Why? If Germany has a cheek to call overwhelming majority of economic (illegal) migrants - refugees. Poland is pointing out that this kind of 'refugees" Poland has a plenty mostly from Ukraine.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
22 Aug 2017 #42
They gave work visases to over 1 million Ukrainians how can you say Poland isn't helping them out?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
22 Aug 2017 #43
@Harry

Yes cbos. Three quarters of poles said they don't want migrants from middle east and Africa. Actually 74% to be exact. 22% are for relocating migrants from me and Africa with rest undecided. 55% of poles are for accepting Ukrainians with 40% against.

@Dougpol1
There's over 120k Ukrainians in wroclaw alone. Almost all came within the past 2 3 years. Based on the huge number of Ukrainians that have come in the past few years and over 1 million work permits issued id say Poland is helping out Ukrainians.
G (undercover)
22 Aug 2017 #44
The term "Laughing stock" comes to mind here. And it's your government again.

Well, rather another term comes to mind...

We are discussing refugees from a neighbouring country who need humanitarian help and have been incorrectly assessed by a non- caring system.

They have been correctly assessed. Millions of Ukrainians each day go to work, school etc. there's administration controlling 97% of the country, hospitals are operational, trains are running. Those few people affected by Donbas/Crimea conflict are internally displaced persons, NOT refugees - international law is clear about that. They are refugees about as much as some Polish dude, who had a tree collapsing on his roof several days ago. No country grant the refugee status to Ukrainians just because they are Ukrainians - those few who get it, must have claimed it on another ground. Same goes for Germany. Gerries don't give it easily, unless one is a browny or a muslim, or both - but that's another story, madmen decided to destabilise Europe once again, this time with 3rd world savages as their foot soldiers.

So to sum it up, you are not making any sense, as usual.

fact is that PIS have been banging on about there being no need to take the 7,000 quota of immigrants allocated to them by their peers/club members in the EU, because they have "taken in" tens of thousands of Ukrainian

All tricks are good to avoid the savages and carnage they are bringing in.
OP Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
22 Aug 2017 #45
over 1 million work permits issued id say Poland is helping out Ukrainians

Dirk, the government give work permits out, and employers like Biedronka, to take one, take on Ukrainians on short term contracts because migrants boost the economy. They are not issued work permits as a gift or some of humanitarian care. It's strictly business and works very well, but in this theread we are talking about the thousands who Gumishu and G say were migrants, but other countries beg to disagree, as those taken in were granted asylum as to the above article I linked to.

Of course some believe this government is right again and the rest of Europe is wrong. Maybe a certain percentage of the time, but not all of the time, methinks. If Polish politicians really were so clever and not so far up their own arses we would all be in clover.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
22 Aug 2017 #46
@Dougpol1

They still Took in migrants and gave them residency permits visas work permits etc. They didn't have to do that.. But this did for several reasons - one because fewer and fewer poles want to work for peanuts at low wage low skill jobs, two - they can tell the eu to cut the $hit with accepting migrants since they already did their part three - low birthrates four - most poles support Ukrainian migrant into Poland (slightly more than half 55% support 40% don't support Ukrainian migration rest undecided)

Also the Ukrainian refugees you speak of who left donbass donetsk luhansk etc went to kiev. I know two people who fought on the front lines as volunteers. Some did end up in Poland later. However such people are considered internally displaced which to my understanding doesn't qualify one for asylum.


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