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The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package


Amathyst 19 | 2,702
14 May 2010  #121
Great. So on top of being patronizing, now you decided to add insults and prejudices. Nice gal you are.

What was prejudice about my comment? Where was I patronising you? Oh, dont make snide comments luv and you wont get them in return!

Then why can't they be "resilient and hard-working" in Poland, and turn Poland into a world economic power in the process? Exactly, they can't be... which is why so many go abroad and work in businesses created by others.

True.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
14 May 2010  #122
Still contributing more than the Dutch..

Do you mean this as a whole or per capita? I know for certain it's not per capita, as the country that pays the most per capita (or at least a part of it) is Flemish Belgium with about 282 per head; the Dutch pay 272 per head and they are second per capita. The UK per capita is on the 8th place. In whole terms Britain pays more, but only 2 billion more than NL does. But that's just because it's a bigger country and with more than 4 times as many ppl in the UK than in NL, only 2 billion more is not that much more. 6 Billion for the UK and 4 for NL.

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Edit: STFU = Stu?

>^..^<

M-G (always knew it)
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
14 May 2010  #123
the Europe 1 trillion bail out is a transfer of money from tax payer to banks

The Euro will get the money back with interest, even if it's generated by such things as securities bought by the failing govts. Securities are a great way to show a shadow profit really quickly.
bolek 6 | 330
14 May 2010  #124
As for the EU being in trouble - Is it really?

yes it is.
Marek11111 9 | 816
14 May 2010  #125
The Euro will get the money back with interest, even if it's generated by such things as securities bought by the failing govts. Securities are a great way to show a shadow profit really quickly.

there will not going to be euro to repay.
the bailout is legalized theft of tax payer
I will predict before euro will collapse the bail out money will be transfer to banks and tax payer will face austerity measures to repay the 1 trillion or it will just disappear and no one will look for it as the story of a day will be collapse of euro-zone
king polkakamon - | 544
14 May 2010  #126
Now the Greeks are joking ''why are you afraid of the IMF?We will bankrupt it too.''
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
14 May 2010  #127
I will predict before euro will collapse the bail out money will be transfer to banks and tax payer will face austerity measures to repay the 1 trillion or it will just disappear and no one will look for it as the story of a day will be collapse of euro-zone

Don't worry. They know what they are doing.
OP FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
14 May 2010  #128
NEW YORK - Stocks tumbled for a second day Friday after concerns grew that the deep spending cuts under Europe's bailout plan would slow a global recovery.

The Dow Jones industrial average ended down 163 points but closed well off its lows of the day. The Dow and other indexes posted big gains for the week after rocketing higher Monday on hopes that Europe's emergency loan package would prevent a debt crisis in Greece from spreading. Enthusiasm about the plan wore off as the week went on.

msnbc.msn.
Crow 137 | 7,632
14 May 2010  #129
You know what Grk (Greek) means in Serbian language, on most archaic Slavic language?

GRK (Greek) is same what is GORAK = bitter in Eng.

stupid, stupid and greedy EU. As proper Borg, EU wanted Greece in order to be able to claim European antiquity absolutely. But, Serbians from long time ago, exactly from era of European antiquity learned how Greeks are of bitter taste. In middle age Greeks continued to be bitter. they refused to support Serbians when our Tzar Dushan suggested global regional defensive plan against Turkish invaders.

Before our ancestors started to call them Greeks they were known as Hellenes. Then happened Troja, Sparta, Bylazora, etc, etc... and, Sarmatians (Thracians) started to use name of BITTER (GRK) for Greeks.

So, since the oldest days Serbians tried to and often managed to be in good neighboring relations with Greeks. Good but on distance.

Now, all Europe would learn. And pay. Its happened always when Europe ignored Serbian experience and reasons.
king polkakamon - | 544
14 May 2010  #130
to be in good neighboring relations with Greeks. Good but on distance.

Always in good relations.Actually I don't remember any war against Serbs but I know a lot of wars where we were allies with Serbs.

Actually we had common borders only for one year and guess what happened in this year.Of course!
Crow 137 | 7,632
14 May 2010  #131
Always in good relations.Actually I don't remember any war against Serbs

only in antiquity as i can remind myself. Since then, we had some political disputes but never hostility and conflicts. But modern Greece deny antiquity to the Serbs no matter that it is absolutely obvious that Greeks wouldn`t even exist if there was no Slavic antiquity. Greece should support Slavic autohtonistic theories. It can`t be harmful for Greece. Hellenes and Proto-Slavs coexisted and should continue to coexist. Greeks could only profit from good relations with Slavs. Anyway, best formula for us is coexistence on distance.

Recently, Serbians are upset when Greece threatening Macedonia.
Marek11111 9 | 816
14 May 2010  #132
Don't worry. They know what they are doing.

if they knew what they doing the economy would not be in this state
I am afraid the only thing banks and corporations know how to is legalized theft and murder
king polkakamon - | 544
14 May 2010  #133
reece should support Slavic autohtonistic theories. It can`t be harmful for Greece. Hellenes and Proto-Slavs coexisted

Hm,not exactly.Slavic authohtonistic theories put in danger greek autochtonistic theories.But I agree with serbian theories about the origin of Albos.Serbian hstorians have always some very interesting ideas.

when Greece threatening Macedonia

This country is mainly threatened by Albos who are 30% of population there.We would be crazy to want it to dissolve and become a new Kosovo.Sovereignity of them means stability for the region.(although secretly we admit that it is bulgarian land).
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
14 May 2010  #134
But, Serbians from long time ago, exactly from era of European antiquity learned how Greeks are of bitter taste. In middle age Greeks continued to be bitter. they refused to support Serbians when our Tzar Dushan suggested global regional defensive plan against Turkish invaders.

And what exactly has this to do with the predicted "downfall" of the EU (which will not happen, btw)?

Face it, Crow, nobody gives a shyte about Serbia, Poles not, nor does everybody else. Not until they hand over their war criminals to be tried.

>^..^<

M-G (amazing how everything and everyone somehow somewhere has something to do with Serbia. Gee, for such a backward mudpit it must be a great power of influence in all times - too bad, they keep that power very well hidden)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 May 2010  #135
M-G, you have a strange stance on Serbia. Sometimes you see their plight, other times you criticism them outright. You don't seem to see the full picture.

As for bailouts, let them slide. Stepping in is becoming fashionable and that just ain't right.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
14 May 2010  #136
As a nation, yes. (Due to sheer size.) Per capita? Sorry, but we contribute more.

Are you sure - look at the figures

No, it's typical to demand something from others, when you're not prepared to do it yourself. Very typical.

We didnt want a single currency, hence the reason we still have the £...Demand is a strong word..The union is set up now so that new members accept the Euro because the founders feel that a single currency is the way foward for a unified eurozone.

My beef is that I can't afford a house while I'm working for my money in a perfectly honest way.

Same situation in the UK, rising immigration (Netherlands has a denser population than the UK.. I feel for you) means less housing stock, which means higher house prices..

Hey, I can't say I blame you, I would love to have my Gilder back aswell! I remember being part of our society about 10 years ago. Now I feel like unwelcome and alienated in my own country. I know some spoiled people will disagree with me because they don't know what it's like to live like this, but I call it financial oppression.

I empathise with you...Be thankful you still have your Royal family though...So many European countries dont have that ;0) A lot of nations knock this but to be honest, its part of who we are and long may that continue, its part of our tradition!

You know what Grk (Greek) means in Serbian language, on most archaic Slavic language?

GRK (Greek) is same what is GORAK = bitter in Eng.

Crow is like the father of the woman on "My Big Greek Wedding" if anyone has seen it they will know what I mean! :D
king polkakamon - | 544
15 May 2010  #137
In middle age Greeks continued to be bitter. they refused to support Serbians when our Tzar Dushan suggested global regional defensive plan against Turkish invaders.

As far as I know tsar Dusan had conquered more than half of Greece so how to support him?But for sure an alliance with Serbs and Bulgarians against Turks was viable at the moment but people relied more and feared the West than respected the other balkan folks so the question was between the Turks and the West and the church chose the Turks!
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 May 2010  #138
M-G, you have a strange stance on Serbia. Sometimes you see their plight, other times you criticism them outright. You don't seem to see the full picture.

Seanus, I studied Serbia for years and I graduated on her with honours, if I may mention it. It's more of a love-hate relationship. I do see the full picture, I just see it more realisicly than Crow, or perhaps you. I love Serbia, but I don't like this glorification. There is nothing to glorify, not with Serbia nor with PL nor with NL.

Serbia is a very interesting country, but the likes of Crow should understand that its role was and always will be marginal.

Stepping in is becoming fashionable and that just ain't right.

Pls, I graduated about 20 years ago on her and I have been following her ever since. In fact, currently I am part of a small study group to figure out her current stance on EU matters, as I have predicted back then that she wanted to be part of the EEU. And the prediction seems to come true.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
king polkakamon - | 544
15 May 2010  #139
The Serbs will always remain the thrilling natural warriors sending waves of bravery to others.
In my opinion one reason of the lack of resistance of dutch soldiers in Srebrenica was that they were captured by the thrill and power of serbian warriors secretly they supported them.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 May 2010  #140
The Serbs will always remain the thrilling natural warriors sending waves of bravery to others.

Or they will be the bandit representatives of the rogue state it was until 2000.

In my opinion one reason of the lack of resistance of dutch soldiers in Srebrenica was that they were captured by the thrill and power of serbian warriors secretly they supported them.

Care to expand on that?

>^..^<

M-G (no glorifying pls)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2010  #141
OK, I'm not going to turn this into a discussion on Serbia. Just be aware when the first Srebrenica was.

Rescue sounds so noble. Time to change that term :)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 May 2010  #142
Just be aware when the first Srebrenica was.

Oh I am, and it's all this mythical shyte that keeps causing trouble over and over again. What is your stance on the Srebrenica massacre, Seanus? Was it simply revenge for sth that happened 5 million years ago or was it a mass murder of 8000 unarmed Bosnian men, seeking refuge in a "safe zone"?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,388
15 May 2010  #143
from the op's article:

The European Union and the International Monetary Fund agreed to create a nearly $1 trillion rescue fund to support European nations burdened by heavy debt. Analysts caution that countries like Greece will still need to make painful spending cuts in the coming years and that the debt problems won't disappear any time soon.

Posters will notice that Serbia is not part of the text or topic.

All off topic posts, as you very well know, will be removed.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 May 2010  #144
This is where I go against Mladic. He was responsible for the killing of many innocent men and boys. However, let's not forget that it was Dutch boys that loaded them up, aiding and abetting the Serbs. Morrignon had guaranteed the safety of the Muslims. What a joke! Karadzic was in Srebrenica and Vlasica etc. He was furious at the brutality of Oric etc. The Serbs wanted revenge!

I hope that Scotland becomes independent as we won't need bailouts. We have ample oil&gas and also have 30% of European tidal power. Tourism too. Those Greeks have been stung by the Euro.

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