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The EU's 1 Trillion Dollar Rescue Package


Amathyst 19 | 2,702
12 May 2010 #91
So Europe is OK because US is in similar trouble? Your denial is the best illustration of the problem.

You keep saying Europe - its a continent, not one country, Germany are doing just fine and hoepfully now the elections are over and some firm policies are put place, GREAT Britain will be on its way to recovery:

guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/07/service-sector-slow-growth-recovery
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
12 May 2010 #92
Well, that's a step in the right direction. USA needs to commit itself to the green sector to experience a surge in it's economic growth, even if global warming is a lie. At least parts of our economy would experience growth making all those windmills and solar panels. Why not?
Bzibzioh
12 May 2010 #93
You keep saying Europe - its a continent, not one country,

I had no idea, Einstein. EU as a whole is in trouble.

GREAT Britain will be on its way to recovery:

Recovery of economy is one thing, cutting debt is something else. Not single word in your article about that.
mattyz 1 | 1
13 May 2010 #94
I fail to see how economic prosperity is different then physical or military security. Every country has the right to defend their borders, and you don't do that by relying exclusively on the promises of other nations.

So its supposed to be a good idea for European countries, all with very different economies, to place their lots with the ECB and the Euro??? Its just a relabeled Bundesbank and Deutsche Mark. And remember, your not just taking orders from Berlin, but your also stuck with the all the Mediterranean countries who recognize a free ride when they see it. These are great locations for holiday, but those people can not govern their economies if their life depended on it. The fact that there are jokes actually questioning the intelligence of Poles is beyond me, we have done an admirable job recreating the nation from nothing in comparison to many of these countries.

Germany tried to subjugate Europe in 1914...failed. Again in 1939...they came much closer, but failed. In 2002 they did it again, but this time with out a single panzer. So I'm glad that the euro is in serious trouble and that Germany is stuck bailing out all of the lazy countries. Defeat is nothing new to them. For context, Obama can not even extend US federal unemployment benefits to the states that need them most with out a serious political fire storm. He barely got that passed even though he controls congress. Now imagine if we gave Canada or god forbid Mexico any money... LOL LMAO!!!!! A second civil war.

So controlling Europe in some vain attempt to match the US isn't all its cracked up to be. America and the rest of the world loves VW,BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Porsche. (keep your Audi, what a terrible car) That should be enough for Germany, they need to stop trying to play 4th Reich behind a bankers desk, the Euro is garbage.

I really hope that clown Tusk thinks real hard about his Euro pledge, the Euro is a great idea when every thing is going perfectly smooth, but all good things come to an end. Having your own currency is pretty important as you can actually dictate your own fiscal policy in recession by doing what ever you want to your currency.

Disclaimer: I'm Polish living in the US, I got citizenship to both countries. My girlfriend and I are getting married in Rzeszow next spring and we'll stay in Poland if we can manage financially. Maybe we can, maybe we can't, but I don't want to live under the German jackboot, I'd rather do the US rat race.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
13 May 2010 #95
The fact that there are jokes actually questioning the intelligence of Poles is beyond me, we have done an admirable job recreating the nation from nothing in comparison to many of these countries.

Circa 3 million(nearly one tenth of your population) left in the last five years.

Good job, me hole.
Bzibzioh
13 May 2010 #96
Circa 3 million(nearly one tenth of your population) left in the last five years.

And that's bad how?

At least Poles are not sitting on their lazy asses and waiting for money to fall from the sky. They again proved they are resilient and hard working.
bolek 6 | 330
13 May 2010 #97
Hmmm...let me think,

Haven't done enough thinking can I suggest, why is it that people relate success to how much money, it seems you are so blind that you cannot see nothing past a dollar sign. Can I suggest that with every wealth lurks a great crime. I think the problems in Greece and Wall Street, is the net result of greed and at the expense of the poor.
Babinich 1 | 455
13 May 2010 #98
USA needs to commit itself to the green sector to experience a surge in it's economic growth, even if global warming is a lie.

Global warming is a lie and a commitment to so called "green" jobs is a ruse.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
13 May 2010 #99
Our economic tree can grow another branch (which sounds like a trite, overused cliche but uh well) if we commit ourselves to the "green" movement. Green isn't so bad. We should try it out and garnish opportunity to grow from it.
TheOther 5 | 3,831
13 May 2010 #100
In 2002 they did it again, but this time with out a single panzer. So I'm glad that the euro is in serious trouble and that Germany is stuck bailing out all of the lazy countries. Defeat is nothing new to them.

You fail to understand the most basic principles of politics and economics. Do you really believe that the Germans forced France and the other participants to join the Euro zone?
Eurola 4 | 1,906
13 May 2010 #101
It amazes me how the "West' does not get it that they are deep in the socialist/communist Sh**t they tried to poke fun of for so long. Now you finally know what it means. Lol.

Welcome to the life of eastern Europe from decades back. You are just discovering it and it is not over yet. You just think it is 'normal'. It is not.
southern 75 | 7,096
13 May 2010 #102
Capitalists who want to be bailed out.And socialists driving Mercedes.My ass.Both want exactly the same things.
The problem of Greece is that it's Byzantine ottoman minded middle class has fallen behind and was played out.The US found a chance to hit the euro by hitting the weakest incompetent link.'There is no law which forbids you to exploit the malakas.We don't care what will happen to ordinary Greeks."Statement by no.2 executive in US financial banking.

Putin solution:send the tanks against the speculators
German solution:speculate against the speculators
Mediteranean solution:send the secret services against the speculators
Balkan solution:fuckkk and burn their native collaborators
OP FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 May 2010 #103
eurola wrote:

Welcome to the life of eastern Europe from decades back. You are just discovering it and it is not over yet. You just think it is 'normal'. It is not.

but of course. yes. America is like life in communist eastern Europe from decades back. most certainly.

I mean COME ON.

please compare The United States of America to communist eastern europe. i'd love to see the similarities you speak of.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 May 2010 #104
How much more of this garbage can people take? How insincere of these fools to flash their cash when some clamber to make peanuts. Let others learn for themselves and stop the 'rescuing'.
southern 75 | 7,096
13 May 2010 #105
I am bored to see incompetent people getting money by ridiculous excuses.For example the one who does not study has practical abilities and the one who studies has no practical abilities.How do you know mthfck?And the average,everything is calculated by the average.Fckk the average.I don't care about the average.I am great.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
13 May 2010 #106
I had no idea, Einstein. EU as a whole is in trouble.

You can take whatever tone you like with me sweetie, but Im not the one who keeps referring to a continent being in trouble when in fact there are several countries on that continent that are doing just fine and several more who on theri road to recovery.

As for the EU being in trouble - Is it really? Is that why Germany are doing just fine, why France are fine and a whole host of other countries are on the road to recovery - some Southern European countries who were not really ready in the first place to receive the Euro but were greedy and didnt think the whole thing through (unlike the Czech Rep who have put it off for another 8 years!) have fallen flat on their faces due to bad management of their poor economies (they weren't that great before the Euro)..You see...If we let poor countries in we have to expect problems in the long term!

please compare The United States of America to communist eastern europe. i'd love to see the similarities you speak of.

Never been to the States but I can tell you that Eastern European countries are no different to Northern European countries, on the whole - Errm Its not actually under communism any more either.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,801
13 May 2010 #107
mattyz

Okay....let me summarize your inane opinion.

Germany is "subjugating" Europe, building her 4th Reich and between others "jackbooting" Poland but on the other hand is "stuck" with the bail out of poorer members, leading to her impending defeat???

Sorry, but is it only me seeing the glaring crack in your argumentation?
Somehow I can't think that you with the brain of a fruit fly will be of any help to Poland, why don't you stay in the US?
OP FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,884
13 May 2010 #108
amathyst wrote:

Never been to the States but I can tell you that Eastern European countries are no different to Northern European countries, on the whole - Errm Its not actually under communism any more either.

i'm not singling you out amathyst, i have no beef with you personally, but I can't help but yet again think about how many people on this forum talk smack about America and comment on how the country is run, how it compares to Europe, it's financial systems, the intelligence of its citizens, lifestyles, how we're all fat, etc. etc...........when time and time again, 99.999% of those posters all share one very very big thing in common, that being:

"Never been to the States but....."

but what.

but WHAT.

https://polishforums.com/usa-canada/speak-english-lived-america-new-love-hate-41802/
Bzibzioh
13 May 2010 #109
You can take whatever tone you like with me sweetie,

I'm a sweetie, but not your sweetie - I don't swing that way. Sorry.

As for the EU being in trouble - Is it really?

The euro zone faced an existential nightmare and many hundreds of billions of euros were needed to save the union. For now. How long do you think throwing the vast fortunes at the Europe's growing problem will save the euro zone? Countries simply can't keep living beyond their means for years. They need fiscal discipline. But parties are only interested in winning the next election and not so much about finances so they keep supporting all those expensive social programs which are not sustainable for a long run.

Is that why Germany are doing just fine, why France are fine and a whole host of other countries are on the road to recovery

Lets see: Germany has 73.2% of consolidated debt (% of GDP), France 77.6%, Greece 115.1%, Belgium 96.7%, Britain 68.1%, Ireland 64%, Poland 51%. I wouldn't call it fine.
Marek11111 9 | 816
13 May 2010 #110
The euro zone is kaput
the Europe 1 trillion bail out is a transfer of money from tax payer to banks
STFU - | 39
13 May 2010 #111
You know what's so funny about this discussion? British people who are talking about the Eurozone and about keeping poor economies out, now *that's* funny. The Brits don't have the Euro as their currency, and they don't even want the Euro as their currency.

STFU.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
13 May 2010 #112
I'm a sweetie, but not your sweetie - I don't swing that way. Sorry.

Its a term one can use with both male and female! Oh and If I was swinging that way Id be more likely to go for a Scandinavian chick, better looking and less likely to fleece me :D

i'm not singling you out amathyst, i have no beef with you personally

None with you either, I just dont understand why everyone keeps referring to Europe as one country..there are a few that are sinking, some are recovering and some are doing just fine..

The Brits don't have the Euro as their currency, and they don't even want the Euro as their currency.

We were rich enough to get in without having demands put on us.

Lets see: Germany has 73.2% of consolidated debt (% of GDP),

And Germany are the ones who are putting up the most cash for the bail out..they evidently dont have that many problems, they're also not slashing government jobs and salaries like other member states are having to do..It might pain you to think that Germany are okay..but its a fact, they were in recovery in the third quarter of last year. Ask BB how his country are doing?
STFU - | 39
13 May 2010 #113
My point is that your government obviously demands the adoption of the Euro from other countries who wish to join the Eurozone, while their own country doesn't even meet the criteria. And even if they did, they still wouldn't have the right to demand this from other countries, if they aren't prepared to adopt the Euro themselves.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
14 May 2010 #114
It wasnt even in existence when we joined and we didnt have to accept it when it was brought in because we were in a position to say no, new member states are not in a position to say no, it is part of their terms and conditions if they want to join the EU, it's simple really, if countries dont like the Ts&Cs dont sign up! Britain is a large financial contributer to the EU (4th largest I think) so they can demand what they like really.

Unclear what you mean about Criteria, care to clarify this?
STFU - | 39
14 May 2010 #115
so they can demand what they like really.

Typical.

Unclear what you mean about Criteria, care to clarify this?

Your nation has one of the biggest debts of all European countries. Clear enough?

:)
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
14 May 2010 #116
Still contributing more than the Dutch..Our recovery is on the up and debt will clear in time..

Typical.

Not typical, its the truth..I dont even know what your beef is, we didnt want a single currency...Have a go at those that did..We're happy with our £ and long may it continue, Id hate to lose that kind of identity..
Bzibzioh
14 May 2010 #117
Its a term one can use with both male and female! Oh and If I was swinging that way Id be more likely to go for a Scandinavian chick, better looking and less likely to fleece me :D

Great. So on top of being patronizing, now you decided to add insults and prejudices. Nice gal you are.

And Germany are the ones who are putting up the most cash for the bail out

And I can clearly see that you are still in denial. If that brings you comfort - be my guest.
SouthMancPolak - | 104
14 May 2010 #118
At least Poles are not sitting on their lazy asses and waiting for money to fall from the sky.

Where would Poland be without EU money?

They again proved they are resilient and hard working.

Then why can't they be "resilient and hard-working" in Poland, and turn Poland into a world economic power in the process? Exactly, they can't be... which is why so many go abroad and work in businesses created by others.
STFU - | 39
14 May 2010 #119
Still contributing more than the Dutch..

As a nation, yes. (Due to sheer size.) Per capita? Sorry, but we contribute more.

Not typical, its the truth..

No, it's typical to demand something from others, when you're not prepared to do it yourself. Very typical.

I dont even know what your beef is, we didnt want a single currency...

My beef is that I can't afford a house while I'm working for my money in a perfectly honest way.

Have a go at those that did..

Like it or not, but Great Britain also shoved the Euro down our throats.

We're happy with our £ and long may it continue, Id hate to lose that kind of identity..

Hey, I can't say I blame you, I would love to have my Gilder back aswell! I remember being part of our society about 10 years ago. Now I feel like unwelcome and alienated in my own country. I know some spoiled people will disagree with me because they don't know what it's like to live like this, but I call it financial oppression.
Bzibzioh
14 May 2010 #120
Where would Poland be without EU money?

I don't know but I bet you will tell me.

Then why can't they be "resilient and hard-working" in Poland,

Wanna tel me again? Don't be shy.

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