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EU tribunal overrules Polish name contest in Lithuania


grubas 12 | 1,392
13 May 2011  #31
The natives haven't created the USA, we did.

True,they were colonized.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438
13 May 2011  #32
OK, PB I can accept it but not if you came to have a better life and then say, fu*k Americans and everything American. You see what I'm saying?

I'm not saying fu*k America, i like this country but I love Poland. I never sat on welfare like many of it's citizens or got in trouble with the law, i work, pay taxes.
guesswho 4 | 1,293
13 May 2011  #33
I never sat on welfare like many of it's citizens or got in trouble with the law, i work, pay taxes.

good for you.

I'm not saying fu*k America, i like this country but I love Poland.

I can deal with it as you weren't born here.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,662
13 May 2011  #34
I never sat on welfare

Most people in US work. Only a small fraction are on welfare.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438
13 May 2011  #35
I can deal with it as you weren't born here.

Look at it this way GW, you're part German you're American but seam to be sympathetic towards Germany. Now imagine if you were still American but of full German decent, then imagine you were born there and at 10 yr old moved to America, do you think u'd think of yourself as more American than German!?? see where i'm coming from.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 May 2011  #36
they need to calm down and let them be.

The problem is that Poland is also discriminating against Lithuanians - for instance, did you know that although there are Lithuanian schools, they're forced to use Polish language textbooks because the Polish Ministry of Education won't approve any Lithuanian-language ones? It's nonsense, as is the Lithuanian law that requires the compulsory study of some subjects in Lithuanian.

Plenty of such nonsense exists on both sides - neither side is right, or wrong.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438
13 May 2011  #37
The problem is that Poland is also discriminating against Lithuanians - for instance, did you know that although there are Lithuanian schools, they're forced to use Polish language textbooks because the Polish Ministry of Education won't approve any Lithuanian-language ones?

Now is this starting way back when, or is it a recent retaliation of how Poles are treated in Lithuania?
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #38
no it isn't at all. I've heard it from many Poles when I was in Poland. Unless you're disappointed because you believe that I should actually believe that it really was originally a part of Poland.

Poland before the WWII claimed those land being continuance of Commonwealth - part of Lithuanians rejected that connection and were trying to build nationalistic republic.

Poles from the Wilno region were those native of the land who appreciated heritage of the Commonwealth and thereafter they felt connection to Poland, because of culture.

They were absolute majority on said territory and that is that.
Nowadays nobody claimed Wilno but policy of Lithuania towards Poles living there, surly can convince Poles that they should claim those lands.
Assimilation is not an issue here, you are talking forcible assimilation and uniformity, a bad idea.
guesswho 4 | 1,293
13 May 2011  #39
Look at it this way GW, you're part German you're American but seam to be sympathetic towards Germany.

Sympathy yes but guess what will be my answer when someone will ask me who I am and which country I love?

Now imagine if you were still American but of full German decent, then imagine you were born there and at 10 yr old moved to America, do you think u'd think of yourself as more American than German!??

answer post # 33
grubas 12 | 1,392
13 May 2011  #40
read my posts before you attack me grubas. Think (please) if we created this country and not them, then we're the locals here in the USA. Our Indians are of course the citizens of the USA too but they haven't created this country even though, they were here before us.

First of all Indians live in India,the indigeneus people of US are NATIVE Americans.Second thing is that we are discussing assimalation with INDIGENEUS population and I see you are not assimilated at all.Have you even ever been to pow wow?
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #41
The problem is that Poland is also discriminating against Lithuanians

Do you make it up as you go?
Nathan 18 | 1,363
13 May 2011  #42
Sokrates's solution: Bomb the two countries and sow the wheat there. Everyone will profit. No, leave a few to sow and gather the wheat.

*gets enriched, slowly, but surely, with Sokrates's wisdom*
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438
13 May 2011  #43
I can deal with it as you weren't born here.

Oh thank you for letting me be lol. No one wants to cheat themselves and pretend to be something they're not. Like our brothers in Lithuania they're living in a region which is predominately Polish ,they speak Polish at home, often in school they date and marry other Poles, it's their little homeland away from their homeland.
guesswho 4 | 1,293
13 May 2011  #44
First of all Indians live in India,the indigeneus people of US are NATIVE Americans.Second thing is that we are discussing assimalation with INDIGENEUS population and I see you are not assimilated at all.Have you even ever been to pow wow?

well, I called them native Americans somewhere in this thread too and I hate to repeat the same again and again. Besides, it's not like no one calls them here Indians too, grubas :-)

we are discussing assimalation with INDIGENEUS population

in case of Lithuania but as far as the USA, we were talking about the assimilation of foreigners in this country (the locals in the USA).

Oh thank you for letting me be lol.

I was talking about my personal opinion about it. I know I don't make our laws, PB heh

Like our brothers in Lithuania they're living in a region which is predominately Polish ,they speak Polish at home, often in school they date and marry other Poles, it's their little homeland away from their homeland.

well, you see the Lithuanians obviously don't share your opinion about it.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 May 2011  #45
Now is this starting way back when, or is it a recent retaliation of how Poles are treated in Lithuania?

I'm trying to find that out now. So much is just retaliation that it's impossible to find where it started.

Apparently Lithuania subsidises Polish language textbooks for Poles in Lithuania - yet stops them from using Polish names. The whole thing is absolutely nuts from both sides.

Do you make it up as you go?

Tell us - can you register a proper Lithuanian name in Poland?

The answer is - no, you can't. You cannot use Lithuanian diacritical marks in official Polish documents - so :)

What's really interesting is that relations between normal people in Poland and Lithuania are quite, quite normal. I even attended an exhibition of Lithuanian art not so long ago :)
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #46
in case of Lithuania but as far as the USA, we were talking about the assimilation of foreigners in this country (the locals in the USA).

I sense BS or double standards.

well, you see the Lithuanians obviously don't share your opinion about it.

Who cares ? !They are bound by the law.
OP PennBoy 76 | 2,438
13 May 2011  #47
It all sounds nice on paper (for them) but it's discriminatory and prejudice against others (Poles) there's no other way of seeing it.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ck0uFdX4Nsg
PlasticPole 7 | 2,662
13 May 2011  #48
First of all Indians live in India,the indigeneus people of US are NATIVE Americans.Second thing is that we are discussing assimalation with INDIGENEUS population and I see you are not assimilated at all.Have you even ever been to pow wow?

For one thing, they might have come from India at some point since many of them are Asian in origin. Mound people were from Europe, I read.

I have been to a huge native American festival downtown. You could call it a powow. A lot of stomp dancing does go on.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 May 2011  #49
It all sounds nice on paper (for them) but it's discriminatory and prejudice against others (Poles) there's no other way of seeing it.

The problem is that Poland is accusing Lithuania of something, when Poland is doing the same thing themselves. Then you get Lithuanians accusing the Poles of doing other things that they haven't done, such as closing schools. Then a Polish politician gets upset and insults Lithuania, so the Lithuanians do something to retaliate. And then Poland will accuse Lithuania of something else, and so on.

The whole thing is full of intolerance from both sides - and really, it's about time that someone such as Germany came along to give them a proper telling off and stop the discrimination from both sides.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,013
13 May 2011  #50
The whole thing is full of intolerance from both sides - and really, it's about time that someone such as Germany came along to give them a proper telling off and stop the discrimination from both sides.

We could make a football game...one in Poland, one in Lithuania and who wins in the end get's to say....Germany is the totally objective/unbiased referree!

(How is Lithuanian football actually?)
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #51
The problem is that Poland is accusing Lithuania of something, when Poland is doing the same thing themselves.

Sonny, Lithuanians do not honor their obligations. They have sighed agreement with Poland, also they are bound by the EU law.
If there is something of the nature you described in Poland, it is plain retaliation.
Funny though like you always stick for interest of Poland, not!
Even if you know a little you assume much and Poland is always at fault.

it's about time that someone such as Germany

Yes about time that somebody give you what you deserve...
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 May 2011  #52
Sonny, Lithuanians do not honor their obligations.

Indeed, and this is part of it - they've definitely gone back on their word several times. As I said - both sides are to blame.

They have sighed agreement with Poland, also they are bound by the EU law.

Well, EU law just ruled in their favour. As for that agreement - both sides should be sticking to it.

If there is something of the nature you described in Poland, it is plain retaliation.

It's retaliation on both sides.

Funny though like you always stick for interest of Poland, not!

Is it really in Poland's interest to have a Polish minority antagonising a useful regional partner?

From a purely strategic point of view, Russia must be loving the problems between Poland and Lithuania.
Harry
13 May 2011  #53
If there is something of the nature you described in Poland, it is plain retaliation.

An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind: how very Polish.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 May 2011  #54
Is it really in Poland's interest to have a Polish minority antagonising a useful regional partner?

It seems a bit daft that Lith would make exceptions for Poles living there. This isn't Poland after all.
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #55
From a purely strategic point of view, Russia must be loving the problems between Poland and Lithuania.

From the realistic point of view they can take Lithuania for what I care.It is not possible to reason with them.
I would grand Lithuanian minority in Poland all rights and privileges, but I would expect the same from Lithuanians. They think that they can discriminate against Poles, and they are so important. Well, they are not, and their population equals population of greater Warsaw.

It seems a bit daft that Lith would make exceptions for Poles living there. This isn't Poland after all.

Seems to you is the right expression, but you know nothing about the issue.
Harry
Rather Jewish, maybe influence....
Well, are you still claiming that you like Poles?
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 May 2011  #56
I would grand Lithuanian minority in Poland all rights and privileges, but I would expect the same from Lithuanians. They think that they can discriminate against Poles, and they are so important. Well, they are not, and their population equals population of greater Warsaw.

It's the most sensible way - give the Lithuanians everything, then use it against them at every opportunity. What can they get upset about if the Lithuanian minority is treated very, very well?
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #57
What can they get upset about if the Lithuanian minority is treated very, very well?

I know them, they will be upset that Poles in Lithuania refuse to assimilate and become Lithuanians. And then they will be upset that Poland do not express gratitude for that.

And then they will expect apology for occupation and then they will demand compensation.
They are addled in the head. (at last majority)
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
13 May 2011  #58
Seems to you is the right expression, but you know nothing about the issue.

Why should one country show favour to another minority? The lines are drawn, if those Poles in Lith felt so bad, couldn't they get Polish citizenship and leave?
grubas 12 | 1,392
13 May 2011  #59
The problem with Litvaki is that they are scared of Poles because they are a little, insignificant nation and they know it.Even if all of them moved to PL they wouldn't even make a 10% of population but if only 10% of Poles moved to Lithuania,the Lithuanians would become a minority in Lithuania.I don't even know why we play with them,Poland should shut the border with them and they will have to travel to Europe via Klajpeda.That should be enough to show them their place.
Ironside 47 | 9,572
13 May 2011  #60
The lines are drawn, if those Poles in Lith felt so bad, couldn't they get Polish citizenship and leave?

Well, read some of my posts here.
Sure, I could ask some of Scots in Scotland - if you don't like this or that - why don't you leave?
Lith is in EU, they can leave anytime - thats not the point- they are living there longer than Virgina was settled.


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