EU tribunal overrules Polish name contest in Lithuania

True,they were colonized.

I'm not saying fu*k America, i like this country but I love Poland. I never sat on welfare like many of it's citizens or got in trouble with the law, i work, pay taxes.

good for you.


I can deal with it as you weren't born here.

Most people in US work. Only a small fraction are on welfare.

Look at it this way GW, you're part German you're American but seam to be sympathetic towards Germany. Now imagine if you were still American but of full German decent, then imagine you were born there and at 10 yr old moved to America, do you think u'd think of yourself as more American than German!?? see where i'm coming from.

The problem is that Poland is also discriminating against Lithuanians - for instance, did you know that although there are Lithuanian schools, they're forced to use Polish language textbooks because the Polish Ministry of Education won't approve any Lithuanian-language ones? It's nonsense, as is the Lithuanian law that requires the compulsory study of some subjects in Lithuanian.

Plenty of such nonsense exists on both sides - neither side is right, or wrong.

Now is this starting way back when, or is it a recent retaliation of how Poles are treated in Lithuania?

Poland before the WWII claimed those land being continuance of Commonwealth - part of Lithuanians rejected that connection and were trying to build nationalistic republic.

Poles from the Wilno region were those native of the land who appreciated heritage of the Commonwealth and thereafter they felt connection to Poland, because of culture.

They were absolute majority on said territory and that is that.
Nowadays nobody claimed Wilno but policy of Lithuania towards Poles living there, surly can convince Poles that they should claim those lands.
Assimilation is not an issue here, you are talking forcible assimilation and uniformity, a bad idea.

Sympathy yes but guess what will be my answer when someone will ask me who I am and which country I love?


answer post # 33

First of all Indians live in India,the indigeneus people of US are NATIVE Americans.Second thing is that we are discussing assimalation with INDIGENEUS population and I see you are not assimilated at all.Have you even ever been to pow wow?

Do you make it up as you go?

Sokrates's solution: Bomb the two countries and sow the wheat there. Everyone will profit. No, leave a few to sow and gather the wheat.

*gets enriched, slowly, but surely, with Sokrates's wisdom*

Oh thank you for letting me be lol. No one wants to cheat themselves and pretend to be something they're not. Like our brothers in Lithuania they're living in a region which is predominately Polish ,they speak Polish at home, often in school they date and marry other Poles, it's their little homeland away from their homeland.

well, I called them native Americans somewhere in this thread too and I hate to repeat the same again and again. Besides, it's not like no one calls them here Indians too, grubas :-)


in case of Lithuania but as far as the USA, we were talking about the assimilation of foreigners in this country (the locals in the USA).


I was talking about my personal opinion about it. I know I don't make our laws, PB heh


well, you see the Lithuanians obviously don't share your opinion about it.

I'm trying to find that out now. So much is just retaliation that it's impossible to find where it started.

Apparently Lithuania subsidises Polish language textbooks for Poles in Lithuania - yet stops them from using Polish names. The whole thing is absolutely nuts from both sides.


Tell us - can you register a proper Lithuanian name in Poland?

The answer is - no, you can't. You cannot use Lithuanian diacritical marks in official Polish documents - so :)

What's really interesting is that relations between normal people in Poland and Lithuania are quite, quite normal. I even attended an exhibition of Lithuanian art not so long ago :)

I sense BS or double standards.


Who cares ? !They are bound by the law.

It all sounds nice on paper (for them) but it's discriminatory and prejudice against others (Poles) there's no other way of seeing it.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ck0uFdX4Nsg

For one thing, they might have come from India at some point since many of them are Asian in origin. Mound people were from Europe, I read.

I have been to a huge native American festival downtown. You could call it a powow. A lot of stomp dancing does go on.

The problem is that Poland is accusing Lithuania of something, when Poland is doing the same thing themselves. Then you get Lithuanians accusing the Poles of doing other things that they haven't done, such as closing schools. Then a Polish politician gets upset and insults Lithuania, so the Lithuanians do something to retaliate. And then Poland will accuse Lithuania of something else, and so on.

The whole thing is full of intolerance from both sides - and really, it's about time that someone such as Germany came along to give them a proper telling off and stop the discrimination from both sides.

We could make a football game...one in Poland, one in Lithuania and who wins in the end get's to say....Germany is the totally objective/unbiased referree!

(How is Lithuanian football actually?)

Sonny, Lithuanians do not honor their obligations. They have sighed agreement with Poland, also they are bound by the EU law.
If there is something of the nature you described in Poland, it is plain retaliation.
Funny though like you always stick for interest of Poland, not!
Even if you know a little you assume much and Poland is always at fault.


Yes about time that somebody give you what you deserve...

Indeed, and this is part of it - they've definitely gone back on their word several times. As I said - both sides are to blame.


Well, EU law just ruled in their favour. As for that agreement - both sides should be sticking to it.


It's retaliation on both sides.


Is it really in Poland's interest to have a Polish minority antagonising a useful regional partner?

From a purely strategic point of view, Russia must be loving the problems between Poland and Lithuania.

An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind: how very Polish.

It seems a bit daft that Lith would make exceptions for Poles living there. This isn't Poland after all.

From the realistic point of view they can take Lithuania for what I care.It is not possible to reason with them.
I would grand Lithuanian minority in Poland all rights and privileges, but I would expect the same from Lithuanians. They think that they can discriminate against Poles, and they are so important. Well, they are not, and their population equals population of greater Warsaw.


Seems to you is the right expression, but you know nothing about the issue.
Harry
Rather Jewish, maybe influence....
Well, are you still claiming that you like Poles?

It's the most sensible way - give the Lithuanians everything, then use it against them at every opportunity. What can they get upset about if the Lithuanian minority is treated very, very well?

I know them, they will be upset that Poles in Lithuania refuse to assimilate and become Lithuanians. And then they will be upset that Poland do not express gratitude for that.

And then they will expect apology for occupation and then they will demand compensation.
They are addled in the head. (at last majority)

Why should one country show favour to another minority? The lines are drawn, if those Poles in Lith felt so bad, couldn't they get Polish citizenship and leave?

The problem with Litvaki is that they are scared of Poles because they are a little, insignificant nation and they know it.Even if all of them moved to PL they wouldn't even make a 10% of population but if only 10% of Poles moved to Lithuania,the Lithuanians would become a minority in Lithuania.I don't even know why we play with them,Poland should shut the border with them and they will have to travel to Europe via Klajpeda.That should be enough to show them their place.

Well, read some of my posts here.
Sure, I could ask some of Scots in Scotland - if you don't like this or that - why don't you leave?
Lith is in EU, they can leave anytime - thats not the point- they are living there longer than Virgina was settled.