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Polish Stalinist criminal hiding abroad supports KOD


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
10 Dec 2016 #1
Stefan Michnik (Adam's half-brother), who has Polish blood on his hands as a former Stalinist judge and desk-top murderer, supports KOD. "I want to suppoort the activities of the Committee in Defence of Democracy. Action is needed and more needs to be done. The PiS government must be overthrown," he told a reporter recently. For years he has been a fugitive from Polish justice, protected by Sweden's refusal to extradite him.

niezalezna.pl/90509-stefan-michnik-popiera-kod-internauci-nie-kryja-oburzenia

It seems KOD supporters include a motley collection of misfits. One claims the SB guys who didn't hand in their service pistols would be out gunning for Kaczyński. Another said he would disrupt the Smolensk commemoration and kept his word, Yet another claims martial law was carried out in a "cultured" manner. Then there's Wałęsa who wants to defenestrate the PiS government by helping them jump out of the government building's upper-storey windows. What woodwork did these creeps crawl out of anyway?!
jon357 63 | 15,168
11 Dec 2016 #2
Stalinist judge and desk-top murderer

You mean someone like Henryk Świątkowski? The prosecutor who called for the death sentence to be given to Pilecki?

I wonder if he has any relatives in public life today...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2016 #3
Henryk Świątkowski?

Never heard of him but there were entire hordes of stalinsit prosecutors besides Michnik and your Świątkowski serving the Soviet occupation forces. Michnik
sent over a dozen patriotic Poels to their death on trumped-up charges in rigged show trials.

Henryk Świątkowski?

Prof. Guglewski (Google) said he laucnehd an investihgatipon to prove that thre nazis were to blame for Kaytń. As justice min. he may have penalised some freedom-fighters but that is not mentioned by wiki. Any reason why you singled him out? Probably the Pilecki connection.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
11 Dec 2016 #4
Poland's ruling party Law and Justice (PiS) has been fending off accusations of giving a prominent role in party leadership to a communist-era prosecutor active in repressing Solidarity freedom movement.

his name appears on an indictment against a Solidarity activist, Antoni Pikula, who had been arrested for distributing the then illegal Information Bulletin on behalf of Solidarity.

warsawvoice.pl/WVpage/pages/article.php/37478/news
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Dec 2016 #5
his name appears on an indictment

If the charge is true, PiS would do best to dump the bloke. If they want to be good and consistent anti-communists then no exceptions should be made. But commie prosecutors, judges, SB and other colloborators now in other parties who prosecuted or persecuted freedom-fighters, Solidarity activsts and other Polish patriots should also be exposed and dumped.
Harry
12 Dec 2016 #7
But commie prosecutors, judges, SB and other colloborators now in other parties who prosecuted or persecuted freedom-fighters, Solidarity activsts and other Polish patriots should also be exposed and dumped.

Sadly that is never going not happen, not while the 18% regime is led by a man who signed up to be a commie prosecutor and who is happy to give senior posts to commie prosecutors.
jon357 63 | 15,168
12 Dec 2016 #8
Never heard of him but there were entire hordes of stalinsit prosecutors

You've certainly heard of his family member currently part of the government. It explains a lot about the privileged lives they had.

Prof. Guglewski (Google) said he laucnehd an investihgatipon to prove that thre

Wtf?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Dec 2016 #9
give senior posts to commie prosecutors.

How many besides Piotrowicz? Name them, please.
Harry
12 Dec 2016 #10
Name them

For a start there's The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski (although he doesn't formally hold any senior post in the Polish government he is clearly the leader of the PiSlamic State and publicly has announced that he is the "real actual leader" of the PMP and the 'President', and of course he only volunteered to be a commie-era prosecutor).
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Dec 2016 #11
of his family member

Funny when family ties concern the PO losers' party or the Kosher Gazette, the reply is always that there's no collective guilt and people cannot be held responsible for what their family members do. But Stefan Michnik is known for sending kilkanaście (over a dozen) Polish patriots to their death for wanting Poland to be free.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,935
12 Dec 2016 #12
Polish patriots to their death for wanting Poland to be free.

And tomorrow we will remember them by placing a single candle in the window, God bless free Poland.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Dec 2016 #13
Chairman Kaczynski

YOu have failed to explain (despite being asked about this) how is it that you are the only person in Poland ever to raise the issue of Kaczyński's assumed guilt for applying and not being accepted. Neither Kosher King Adam, nor the PO party, nor the child-maintenance shirker nor bankster Petru nor anyone else in that motley crew have ever attacked Kaczyński over that non-event. If there were any substance to it they would have run him over the coals. Must be something wrong with you, HB, except you won't admit it.
Harry
12 Dec 2016 #14
people cannot be held responsible for what their family members do.

No, otherwise we'd be blaming a certain back-bench MP for his traitorous father selling out his former comrades in the AK. Instead we blame that same back-bench MP for volunteering to prosecute dissidents during the commie era.

Kaczyński's assumed guilt fpr applying and nto being accepted

He has no guilt for that. He has, or at least should have, guilt for volunteering and being accepted, facts which the words of his own brother confirm.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
12 Dec 2016 #15
volunteering

You still have not volunteered to answer a straightforward question: why is it that inb all of Poland onyl HB has raised this issue? What noble virtues nad excepotionaly intelligecne fdoes he possess tht no-one elsehas caught on to Kaczyński's heinous crime of applying? Why has no-one has suggested setting up a parliamentary investigative committee to go over K's biography with a ifne-tooth comb with a view to nailing him on something? Millions of Poles since 1945 had applied to commie-run universities, commie-run hospitlas, commiue-run police and fire brigades, commie-run factories, schools and shops and actually worked in them and not onyl applied for a job. And yet nobody but HB is raising such an absurd point. WHY IS THAT? What do you know that nobody else does?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,935
12 Dec 2016 #16
The hard fact of life back then was that people were forced to make some very hard choices, even those choices that could mean that they could lose their lives even worse the threat of harm to members of their family, at best exclusion from education and work, some just disappeared.

The blame sits on the shoulders of the Soviet occupiers, every family will have its own story.

But a minority embraced the leftists marxist insanity of the occupiers, but before anyone holds judjement hard evidence needs to be put forward and those to be judged should be brought before a impartial court of law.

Tomorrow we remember the fallen, Christmas lights will fall into darkness and a candle will be lit in memory of those who made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedom of Poland.
cms 9 | 1,271
12 Dec 2016 #17
But last week, you were suggesting that anybody who served as an officer in the armed forces income in PRL times be stripped of their rank - surely many of those people also only want to put some food on the table and make sure they have the best opportunity in life in life?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,935
12 Dec 2016 #18
who served as an officer in the armed forces income in PRL times be stripped of their rank

You are correct, but I would not take them to any court unless there was evidence of individual crimes against the Polish people.

Does that make things clear.

only want to put some food on the table and make sure they have the best opportunity in life in life?

Where did I mention food or opportunity, pay attention to what I say, don't fall to the dark side of the bbc club.
Harry
12 Dec 2016 #19
Kaczyński's heinous crime of applying

What he did was not a crime, so he doesn't deserve to be punished for it. However, by the same logic, the people who are now being punished for also volunteering to serve the commie regime, or to serve in posts which could be viewed as serving the commie regime, should also not be punished.

nad excepotionaly intelligecne fdoes

At not even half past eight on a Monday?

those who made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedom of Poland.

Got to wonder what they would have made of the constitution they died to make possible being so comprehensively violated.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,935
12 Dec 2016 #20
constitution they died to make possible being so comprehensively violated.

Who knows Harry, personally I dont care if PIS or PO are in power, for me the fact that the Polish people are free and can choose their government is a miracle and something I thought I never would never see in my lifetime.
Ironside 49 | 10,464
12 Dec 2016 #21
traitorous father

How about Mr Michnik and his traitorous father,mother and soviet regime willing servant and murderer - his brother. Michnik never distanced himself from them. We both know that is not the issue. You couldn't care less about facts or reality or like.

All you care is slander,imply and lie to stirr shyte and annoy Polonius. Typical regressive left.
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But last week, you were suggesting that anybody who served as an officer in the armed forces income in PRL

All above rank of a major should be striped from their rank and kicked out of the army.

You are correct,

Bravo! That is natural thought process of a Polish person. Unfortunately there is plenty of polish speaking soviets who think otherwise.
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the people who are now being punished for also volunteering to serve the commie regime

Someone is being punished? That is news to me! Who? and how?
Maybe you're talking about striping privileges from soviet murderous scum - that is hardly punishment.

They shouldn't be getting any money from the Polish state. Kremlin should pay them their pensions. Should give back all what they got for the last 30 years - that is a splendid idea.
Harry
13 Dec 2016 #22
How about Mr Michnik and his traitorous father,mother and soviet regime willing servant and murderer - his brother. Michnik never distanced himself from them.

Perhaps you missed the part above where I agreed that people cannot be held responsible for actions other than their own?

All above rank of a major should be striped from their rank and kicked out of the army.

Under the Polish constitution all people are innocent until proven guilty. If you want to punish somebody, first prove that they are guilty.

Kremlin should pay them their pensions.

You pay no part of any pensions in Poland, I do: you have no say in the matter, I do.
Ironside 49 | 10,464
13 Dec 2016 #23
If you want to punish somebody, first prove that they are guilty

Punish? No. They're no use for an independent Poland. That is really very simple Harry. I sure you will get it in time.
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You pay no part of any pensions in Poland, I do: you have no say in the matter, I do.

Harry is your ego talking again? You should pay it a pension. You would gain on such an arrangement a big time.
I have no say? Says who? Your ego - don't make me laugh. I can say what I want and I just did and I'll do it again. Watch me!

Soviet lackeys, particularly all the members of the secret soviet police should be paid 'pension' by the Kremlin. After all they haven't had been working for the independent Poland but against her. Why independent Poland should give them anything but a swift kick in the arse?
Harry
13 Dec 2016 #24
Why independent Poland should give them anything but a swift kick in the arse?

An interesting point, but one what will never be answered while Poland is ruled by a regime led by a man who volunteered to serve the commie regime by prosecuting dissidents.
mafketis 24 | 8,712
13 Dec 2016 #25
I would suggest a separate Piotrowicz thread but I'm sure the dangerously insane and stupid moderators would attach it to some other completely unrelated topic.

But the case is interesting. All of the evidence is that he participated in the prosecution of dissidents and the evidence that he didn't is that..... he says so.

tvn24 went to his old stomping grounds to talk to those involved in the opposition movement when he was a prosecutor and they all agreed that if he was "helping" dissidents they had no knowledge (and they were sure they would know about it if he was so involved).

I wouldn't much care except that it reflects badly on recent PiS legislation and Piotrowicz's unbearable smug self-rightousness.
Ironside 49 | 10,464
13 Dec 2016 #26
except that it reflects badly on recent PiS legislation

what legislation? Why badly? You lost me here.

be answered while Poland is ruled by a regime

Every country is ruled by a regime. What is the alternative? Tyranny? No thank you.
The rest of your sentence is just a big cry for a shrink!

Piotrowicz's unbearable smug self-rightousness.

All of them soviets are smug in the same way regardless what option they serve now or in what capacity. Why pick on Piotrowicz? Because he choose to serve different option than 99% of his collages? Right! That what is all about - not about what he did or didn't in the past.
mafketis 24 | 8,712
13 Dec 2016 #27
what legislation? Why badly?

The famous slashing of pensions of state security agents from the PRL. As usual it was poorly written and affects a bunch of people it shouldn't have. Want to cut pensionsof those guilty of specific crimes? Great! I'm on board, but at least write the law so that it doesn't have a lot of collateral damage.

That what is all about - not about what he did or didn't in the past.

If he just owned up to what he did I'd be for forgiveness, but his "I was helping the opposition" with no evidence whatsoever that's irritating.

The PRL compromised everyone so there were no angels in 1989, I get that, and I'm fine with those who want to repent and not have their PRL experience held over their head (unless there's evidence of real crimes) but to play the injured saint is just too much.
Ironside 49 | 10,464
13 Dec 2016 #28
Want to cut pensionsof those guilty of specific crimes?

That is what many people do not get. It is NOT about punishment. The real punishment would be for example - confiscation of all their possession, zero pension plus time behind the bars. Then your doubts would make sense.

Now there is no punishment or loss, just their privileges are being withdrawn.
You're not saying (I hope) that the soviet secret police people and the like should be honoured and privileged above everybody else in the country?

If he just owned up to what he did I'd be for forgiveness, but his "I was helping the opposition" with no evidence whatsoever that's irritating.

That is what all of them are doing. Without exception and no one rises any issues about them high ranking soviets least of all PO people.

The fact that one of them support PiS is driving them crazy and that boohoo Piotrowski this or that is all about those feelings. The camp of the soviet political police is aghast. A One of the soviet club cronies working against them, turning on them - boo cry me a river.

In my opinion PiS should kick him out long ago but then PiS are soft pussies, social, liberal pro - EU.
mafketis 24 | 8,712
13 Dec 2016 #29
Then your doubts would make sense.

Then what about this?

tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/wielu-gromowcow-straci-wyzsze-emerytury-mam-zal-do-dowodcow,698606.html

(people who were serving in the military at the end of the PRL are getting their pensions cut even if almost all their career was serving free Poland).

Why does PiS come up with such poorly writen legislation? (they're not the only ones)
Ironside 49 | 10,464
13 Dec 2016 #30
Why does PiS come up with such poorly writen legislation? (they're not the only ones)

How the hell would I know>? I'm not PiS and never was. Ask them.
I may only say that general professionalism and reliability of the politician in Poland is very poor indeed.
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Then what about this?

Well, that is about people who started their professional life as the soviet muscles in Soviet Poland to seamlessly transfer into Polish forces. That dude that complains that his pension will be too low should be ashamed of himself. That is not what a real Polish officer with honor would do. That proves that he is just another soviet and that this decions to cut his pension down is right.

Generally is about the fact that after 1989 Poland nothing had been done to sort things out. In the independent Poland, that colonel that complain wouldn't have a chance to be more than a street sweeper and riglty so. He should count himself lucky.


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