Smoking ban in Polish bars and restaurants (AT LAST!)

Cigars are yummy. And it turns out they're practically healthy for you! :D

I was in a place today that had a no-smoking policy. I think it'll start out in the classy establishments and then spread. Poles will be out with their tomahawks if it's introduced across the board too quickly.

Most of the nicer restaurants in Wroclaw are non smoking, or have segmented areas. It should be allowed to spread organically.

PS, end of day two, no smoking, sense of smell and taste starting to come back :)

Keep it up - I'll join you too, from Tuesday

Dunno, once you get over the mental addiction, seems to be easy. Last time I quit for about three years, then came that damn trip to Mongolia...

It's possible, but very very hard. One of my friends succeeded, but gained approximately 15-20kgs weight...

I still believe that this non smoking campaign is just a temporarily thing. It will not reduce the number of active smokers or future ones.

I quit smoking cigarettes and it was the hardest thing I ever did, years later I started smoking cigars and quit and it was easier so maybe quitting second time is easier.

In the US smoking is banned just about everywhere except outside!
And in Arizona, even if you are outside you have to be about 20 feet away from a door to a public building so the smoke won't blow inside.

Too many cute, young Poles smoke. Let's keep them pretty and handsome!
White teeth and fresh breath is way more sexy that stinky breath and fingers, and yellow teeth!

Get Healthy Europe!
:)

a couple of weeks ago i and others were smoking outside Poznan railway station. security ordered us to the smoking area, also outside the station.

i've mentioned it before. u can't smoke at bus shelters in wroclaw.

even outside there are limits here to smoking..

Did you tell them you were a Mod and that you will respect my authorita? :) :)

Joking aside, Wrocław raises a good point here. There are designated smoking areas and I can confirm that it applies to the bus station here too. They don't make exceptions and you can expect a firm rap on the knuckles for breaking the rules.

Via cigarettes to the 'Big brother is watching you' state?

Awful. I'm getting scared if that's the new reality. How can they invade my private space?

Is that democracy???

Sascha, I recommend Alex Jones but with a pinch of salt. He raves a bit much for my liking but he does outline the incursions into our private lives and smoking is but one of them. He will paint a bigger picture but runs segments on the tobacco industry as well as other encroachments. It's all based on control. Weaken people through drugs and you will generate profits for industrial players, private health care agents and all manner of others.

See now, this I have no problem with. Personally I don't like it, but I don't have a problem with it.

You know, I find it funny how some people worry so much about smoking, when their food actually contains so much crap it actually causes some types of cancers, yet we don't hear anyone about that, do we?

Now, Carbon Dioxide and Benzene are also the main toxins in the hydrocarbon fraction of exhaust. Benzene and other less known hydrocarbons are produced in petroleum refining, and are widely used as solvents and as materials in the production of various industrial products and pesticides. Benzene also is found in gasoline and in cigarette smoke. Other environmental sources of benzene include gasoline stations, underground storage tanks that leak, wastewater from industries that use benzene, chemical spills, and groundwater next to landfills containing benzene. Exposure to benzene can cause cancer, especially leukemias and lymphomas. Benzene has a suppressive effect on bone marrow and it impairs blood cell maturation and amplification.

Polycyclic-Aromatic Hydrocarbons: A group of chemicals that are formed during the incomplete burning of coal, oil and gas, garbage, or other organic substances, which may occur naturally aswell. A few of the Polycyclic-Aromatic Hydrocarbons are used in medicines and to make dyes, plastics, and pesticides. (To mention a few processes!) They are found throughout the environment in the air, water and soil. There are more than a 100 different Polycyclic-Aromatic Hydrocarbon compounds. Although the health effects vary, the following are considered as a group with similar toxicity: Acenaphthene, acenaphthylene, anthracene, benzanthracene, benzopyrene, benzofluoranthene, benzoperylene, benzofluoranthene, chrysene dibenzanthracene, fluoranthene, fluorene, indenopyrene, phenanthrene, pyrene.

Now, compare all of this to a package of cigarettes, and do try to remember that you're breathing all of this crap every second of the day, everywhere. But f*ck me for smoking, right?

Have fun with your air-refreshers in the bathroom or the toilet, do use your deoderant, after-shaves and perfumes on a daily basis, don't forget to light your fruity candles every once in a while. And by all means, don't read the list of ingredients! It's all natural!

Right.

Oh, and did you know that most cosmetic products, gels, creams and shampoos contain all kinds of ingredients which negatively affect our hormones? Did you know you're breathing small amounts of lead and other slightly radioactive materials every day? (Okay, maybe a little less if you're not living in the big city but still!)

Fair enough, smoking isn't healthy at all, but you should really ask yourself what actually is healthy these days?? And let's not start about what's in our meat, okay? You might lose your appetite. I hate to break the news to you, but this smoking-ban really has nothing to do with health, but it has everything to do with money.

I hope it's clear now? Okay. As you were.

:)

- It depends where you put your ear;). I read about it enough.


- If you put it that way... ;)


I guess people know it is not but who actually inhales deeply those chemicals deliberately, as in smoking?!


Wrong actually :)


- Well, life is unhealthy, but smoking and poisoning and odouring other people is just too much.


I've worked in meat processing industry and seen it inside out. I still eat meat, only now I choose it carefully. But what does that have to do with smoking - don't broaden the topic instead of narrowing it. That argumentation is lame.


- I think it has. Plus smoking stinks. We'd save a lot on water, electricity and detergents if we didn't have to wash clothes every time we come back from a smokey bar. Think environmentally-friendly;))!

See, this is where it gets strange. You choose to go to a smokey bar, and then you complain about it being smokey? You don't think that's a bit strange?

No I don't. Almost all the bars are smoking places and my point is that it doesn't have to be like that. Take e.g. Sweden as example (but there's more). No problem there, no whining, bartenders happy to work in healthier conditions etc.

I do choose to go to smokey bars because they are good places to go, but since people who smoke do not go out for a smoke (or there's no smoking room etc.) - there is a problem. And I don't know enough good non-smoking places.

Why is that? Couldn't you start your own private establishment if there is such a dearth of non smoking places?

It's not a question of health, but government intervention when it's obviously not needed. It's easier to force legislation on someone than to make a sacrifice on your own. Kind of sad really.

You know what I mean. I don't see whole media campaigns about crap in our food.


I like putting it that way. Hey, I'm a simple guy.

;)


You'd be amazed how much of that you actually inhale.


Doh! (Sarcasm?)

xD


Stop driving your car then. Stop using those products. (It's even in our drinking water!)


It's not, because I'm trying to get a point across. If this anti-smoke campaign was all about health, then why aren't they doing something about the poison in the air, in those products I've mentioned, or even the poison in our food? (If it *was* about health.) Sometimes you need to broaden a topic to get a point across. In this case, it has everything to do with the topic, since you're breathing the very same chemicals that smokers breathe, and depending on your environment, you may even inhale more Benzene and Carbon Dioxide than a smoker does. (Especially people in the big cities.) So that's a relevant point, since this is all about health. (Or so they say.) Oh, and how about a Barbeque-Ban? It smells! The whole neighbourhood can change clothes if someone has a Barbeque! Do I sound like a whiner already? Well, it's sorta like how some people sound to me!


I don't think it has, since they're not doing anything about air pollution, water pollution and food-pollution. Cars stink. Factories stink. Construction sites stink. Sewers stink. Barbeques stink.


I'm pretty sure most people wash their clothes after a night out, regardless of where they've been. (How about that argumentation being lame?)


I'm thinking about transparent bikinis.

;))

Well, there are campaigns, a lot of them about obesity, fast food, etc.


But it is never the same as direct inhalation of condensed substances in cigarette I guess.


HAHAH:)))


You know they are working on electric cars etc. and there are hybrid engines, it is developing. But for now we cannot simply do without transportation. But we can do without smoking in public, don't we? It is not a part of diet and it is just an addiction, hence I don't turn a blind eye on it.

If breathing was just as unhealthy then why are smokers in a cancer-risk group? Also I say there are measures taken as far as ecological solutions are concerned. Chimney filters etc., Gov't policies and so on. One thing at a time.



So you say we should resign from cars, transportation and industry? That's not serious. But not smoking in public is in my opinion. It has only advantages. And call me dirty but I don't wash my jeans after wearing them one time. But after going to a bar after work for a beer or coffee - I have to.


I've no idea what it has to do with environmentally-friendly attitude, but I fully agree on that! No bad thing can come out of this! :))

I don't see any campaigns about all those wonderful EU numbers in our food. (Funded by our governments, that is.)


Are you absolutely sure that fuel exhaust for example, doesn't contain any of those condensed substances?


Let's take America for example (With the full smoking-ban and all.) 596.490 Americans are expected to die of cancer this year, and about 178.947 Americans are expected to die of cancer attributable to smoking. (30%) So why smokers are in a cancer-risk group beats me, since 70% of all cancer cases are non-smokers.


I'm not saying that breathing is just as unhealthy, but let's talk about Benzene, which is what actually causes a variety of cancers. Now, one cigarette contains about 0,05 milligrams of Benzene. (Let's forget about Lead and Carbon Dioxide, because we're all breathing copious amounts of that.)

A non-smoker who lives in a rural area will inhale about 0,18 milligrams of Benzene every day, which equals 3,6 cigarettes. A non-smoker who lives in Amsterdam will inhale about four times as much, which equals 14,4 cigarettes a day. A non-smoker who lives in Manchester will probably inhale eight times as much, which equals 28,8 cigarettes a day.

Non-smokers in New York? **** it, you people might aswell start smoking! Me? I live in a rural area, and inhale about 3,6 cigarettes a day when I'm not smoking, while heavy smokers inhale about 1,8 milligrams of Benzene every day, which equals 32 cigarettes a day. So do the math if you smoke less, or even much less.


No. I'm just wondering why all the sudden fuss about smoking? People die, because some things aren't healthy. I'd say that's natural. People who support the smoking-ban should know about the air they're all breathing, instead of using my bad habit as an excuse to combat health issues. If I stop smoking, dickweeds, I might still die of cancer due to other bad stuff in our air, water, food and whatnot.


Like? More stressed people?


Hey, for me it depends on what I've been doing, or how hard I've been working.


Why? I'm sitting here in the same shirt I wore yesterday. It smells nice. (I think I've smoked about eleven cigarettes yesterday.) Even my sweat smells like roses, but of course no one will believe that!


Well, you don't have to wash what you're not wearing. Don't ask. It's how my mind works.

;P


So you're all for a smoking-ban, but you choose to go to the bars where smoking is allowed because the non-smoking places aren't working for you? Where will you go for a drink when smoking is banned everywhere then?

xD

really???? it wasn't last month when I was on my holidays... 0___0 <strange>

by the way, haven't smoked since last Thursday... Still OK with smoking in bars...

Lol. That freedom-loving libertarian habit is hard to kick! :)

hell, we're talking about freedom... and real money in my pocket to boot!

On Thursday it'll be a week. Still think you anti-smoking f*ckers area exactly that.

- To the same bar, only that it'll be smoke free. Judging on other countries they will not go bankrupt.


- I heard cocaine is even better for stressing out. Would you like a sniff?


All right then, you convinced me. Smoking is not deadly. In fact it is healthier to smoke than to breathe all that cr@ppy air. I have made a resolution to start smoking from tomorrow. I'll start from half a pack a day to develop this harmless addiction asap.


- Maybe you watch too much telly and not read enough, I dnon't know. I saw campaigns in media in Poland and rest of Europe sometimes.


Dude, seriuusly! If you put your mouth to this exhaust pipe and take a deep breath it will be more harmless I guess. But... who does that?! You on the other hand stick to an opinion that inhaling from a cigarette, which is also active smoking, is far less poisonous than breathing "polluted air". Seriously?!


- I'll become the Ugly Naked Guy from the Friends series hahah.

Not always, no. Especially not when you're talking about a non-smoker who inhales a bit of second-hand smoke once or twice a week.


Dude, if someone would be informed about such things then that would be me. I haven't seen any health campaigns - which were funded by the government - against certain harmful additives in our food over here.


Ignorance is bliss, I guess? You don't have to put your mouth to an exhaust pipe to breathe city air, and I'm sure you've heard about smog before.


No. I'm talking about the argument that anti-smokers use (Which would be second-hand smoking.) to impose their will on just about everyone. I'm just telling you that they're inhaling just as much crap anywhere else, wether someone else in their vicinity is smoking a cigarette or not. And that's a fact.


Haha! Well, there are plenty of ugly girls out there who might like it. Good luck you old streaker!

xD

Well only sort of - it's more to stop forcing people who don't smoke to inhale second hand smoke of others.

Yes, because they are forced at gunpoint to go into places where they know people will be enjoying cigarettes enjoying cigarettes.

They can go to a non-smoking bar. As for smoking outside? I've already nullified and busted their second-hand smoke myth. With all the exhaust fumes, it really doesn't f*cking matter if you inhale a bit of second-hand smoke or not. Zero difference. Fact. So give me one good reason as to why there should be a full smoking-ban, even when non-smokers already have plenty of alternatives. I can live with not smoking in restaurants, not smoking in cinemas, not smoking in swimming pools and not smoking in public places. But outside? On the trainstation for example? Well, screw you, I'm just gonna light one, and the cop who wants to complain about that will get a false name, and a false address, because I've stopped carrying my ausweiss long time ago!

;P

Not listening anymore.