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The shame of Duda making late night visits to Kaczyński


delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
26 Sep 2015  #1
This is absolutely diabolical. How can the Head of State be making visits to a leader of a political party late at night?

tvn24.pl/prezydent-z-nocna-wizyta-u-prezesa-pis,580564,s.html

On Thursday, late in the evening, had come to an unexpected trip of President Andrew Duda. As written in "Fakt," he went to visit the home of the President of Law and Justice Jaroslaw Kaczynski. Office of the President did not comment [i](? not sure of the translation here - can someone help?)

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First of all, it's absolutely shameful that the President (and Head of State) should be making visits to anyone like this. Secondly, it shows that Duda is going to Kaczyński to obtain his orders - which presents him as the puppet that we know he is.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
26 Sep 2015  #2
Yeah because Komorowski had no connection to PO whatsoever and Kopacz doesn't base any of her decisions on what Tusk says. Come on delph, try harder. You want scandals, you don't have to look any further than PO, once you've delt with the dozens of scandals and corruption there, then you can nit pick the two or three dodgy things going on around PiS or the president.
Wulkan - | 3,251
26 Sep 2015  #3
It's amusing how you believe that your bashing of Duda and PiS will anyhow effect the parliamentary elections. In a month time PO is out, gone and there is nothing you can do about it.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
26 Sep 2015  #4
Yeah because Komorowski had no connection to PO whatsoever and Kopacz doesn't base any of her decisions on what Tusk says.

Komorowski was never seen visiting Tusk in the middle of the night! As for Kopacz and Tusk - by all accounts, they have quite the arms length relationship.

You want scandals, you don't have to look any further than PO, once you've delt with the dozens of scandals and corruption there

What has PO got to do with the utter shame of the Head of State making secret late night visits to the leader of the opposition?

Kaczyński visiting Duda would be understandable and not worth discussing. Duda visiting Kaczyński shows who gives the orders.

I think the time has come for a "Duda gaffes" thread, to be honest.

It's amusing how you believe that your bashing of Duda and PiS will anyhow effect the parliamentary elections. In a month time PO is out, gone and there is nothing you can do about it.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the utter shame of Duda having to visit his boss in the middle of the night.

I cannot imagine The Queen visiting Jeremy Corbyn, or Hollande visiting Nicolas Sarkozy. Duda has (already) managed to screw up several times, and this shocking breach of protocol shows what little respect he has for the Presidency.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
26 Sep 2015  #5
I think the funniest part of this, given that delph is a PO supporter and very anti PiS and Duda who he considers part of PiS, is how he tries to act like this is the most scandalous thing to every happen in Polish politics.

Given that you and your media think that Duda is in cahoots with PiS anyway, this shouldn't surprise you, so why are you harping on about it.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
26 Sep 2015  #6
diabolical

late at night

shameful

puppet

Come on, it just doesn't work anymore :))))
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
26 Sep 2015  #7
I think the funniest part of this, given that delph is a PO supporter and very anti PiS and Duda who he considers part of PiS, is how he tries to act like this is the most scandalous thing to every happen in Polish politics.

I don't consider Duda to be part of PiS, he is PiS. How else can you explain him going to receive orders from Kaczyński in the middle of the night?

Given that you and your media think that Duda is in cahoots with PiS anyway, this shouldn't surprise you, so why are you harping on about it.

I think it's important to discuss exactly how Duda treats the Presidency - with utter disrespect.
Wulkan - | 3,251
26 Sep 2015  #8
so why are you harping on about it.

Because he is so angry about PO going down soon :-)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
26 Sep 2015  #9
I think it's important to discuss exactly how Duda treats the Presidency - with utter disrespect.

Yeah. Too bad Bul has lost :))))
Crow 137 | 7,520
26 Sep 2015  #10
Let`s not that Lech Kaczyński was most probably assassinated. Who knows what drives Duda to late night visit to Lech`s brother. Security reasons maybe.

Let`s not that

i wanted to say > Let`s not forget that
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
27 Sep 2015  #11
You make a fair point Crow, that I find surprising given your positive attitudes to Russia (from what I have seen of your posts on here).

It is laughable how much people cried foul out how president Komorowski received no respect as president, and yet these same people try to tarnish president Duda almost from the gates. He hasn't even been president 2 months yet for crying out loud.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #12
He hasn't even been president 2 months yet for crying out loud.

And yet he's already claimed to have been invited to the Vatican (a lie), visited his master in the middle of the night at home (surreal), told the Poles on the UK not to come home (utterly mental), refused to waive his immunity so he could answer questions about his trips to Poznań (crooked), mocked his supporters for believing his promises (dishonest) and more.

Heck, we should make a thread about Duda's incompetence.
Wulkan - | 3,251
27 Sep 2015  #13
Heck, we should make a thread about Duda's incompetence.

Where you could cry us a river for a next 5 years because Bul Komorowski lost the election, sounds entertaining.
Crow 137 | 7,520
27 Sep 2015  #14
You make a fair point Crow, that I find surprising given your positive attitudes to Russia (from what I have seen of your posts on here).

i think that i have fair and balanced opinion on Russia`s historical role, that was sometimes positive and sometimes negative, from general or specific point of view. Right now, Russia`s role is positive.

But, i didn`t point on Russia, when above mentioned Lech Kaczyński. Russia had (have) interest to reconcile with Poland and back then to show respect to Lech Kaczyński. i am sure that NATO and EU leading powers must be behind Lech`s assassination. Russia and even China shows clear interest in formation of new Commonwealth (ie Intermarium) around Poland. i understand that. First of all, Russia and China (as was Yugoslavia) are in favor of multi-polar world. Second, it is much better for Russia to have strong Poland (ie Intermarium) behind western Russian border, then to have super-strong and deeply anti-Slavic EU (and in a future, totally De-slavicized Poland in it, if just Poland stays long enough within EU). So Russia have interest in partial dissolution of EU.

See, Polish elite also had interests to reconcile with Russia (and China). If they wanted to escape certain assimilation of Poles within EU and to create Intermarium around Poland, they needed at least Russian understanding for that. i am absolutely positive that it was primary reason for Lech Kaczyński to travel to Russia. But, his intentions were seen as threat to NATO and EU and he was assassinated without mercy.

Now, Duda emerging as politician from within same political stock as was Lech Kaczyński. You think that NATO and EU want that? No, they don`t. If you want my opinion, Duda is alreday half dead. If CIA wants to kill him he can`t escape and for sure can`t expect to avoid inevitable by simple switching to night visits to Kaczyński. But, CIA obviously isn`t sure what to do or alreday decided to let him to live. Those are other forces that may want Duda dead now. Forces from with Germanic world and maybe even from Britain (because i think that right now USA opinion on Intermarium may differ from the British). So, some secret service wants Duda alive and some want him dead. In that situation, it may be reasonable from Duda to have security measures such are movements and actions at late night. Those measures may save you when you are hunted by some and protected by some other secret services, now at a time of turmoils.

USA is on the way to accept Russian stance for necessity of multi-polar world. USA is here under pressure not only from Russia and China but, also from the Japan, India, Brazil and even from the traditionally loyal EU (ie western Europe).

Poland`s only hope is that USA found interest in survivor of Poland (ie Intermarium) and her transformation in one of global players, rather then to accept what is biggest traditional Germanic interest and that is total and final assimilation of Poles and destruction of Poland.
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #15
This is absolutely diabolical

you are homophobic delph it is romantic.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Sep 2015  #16
@Ironside! not only that ... but as they are friends, isn't it normal to see each other, to go to each other's place, to have dinner together, etc etc.. ?

Even so called political opponents do socialize with each other. They argue with each other, they insult each other in public but nevertheless very often they socialize with each other. I have known quite a few (very) high level policitians, both in Poland and elsewhere and yes, very often they socialize with their socalled opponents. 99.99% politicans are hypocrits and only the very naive believe in them. I have stopped to believe in any and I do not expect them to change my life. Either PO or PiS or even others in Poland, it shall make no difference for my own situation... They are only motivated by and interested in their own wallets and their carreers and the h...ll with the rest.

Not normal that Delph and a few others (who by the way are not even Polish) get so emotional re Poland's politics. According to all polls, PiS should win on 25.10 and that's it. No difference to me!
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
27 Sep 2015  #17
I'm not sure what this has to do with the utter shame of Duda having to visit his boss in the middle of the night.

I cannot imagine The Queen visiting Jeremy Corbyn, or Hollande visiting Nicolas Sarkozy.

Well I'm glad you're harping on about this. Of course Tusk's meeting on a peer with Putin, not long before the 'mysterious' plane crash, that Tusk and his cronies were not on and both of the Kaczyński brothers were expected to be on, probably doesn't bother you as much.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #18
Even so called political opponents do socialize with each other.

Of course they do. But it's weird that the President would have to go to visit his boss in the middle of the night - it shows a total lack of respect for the position and the country. Can you honestly imagine Hollande sneaking out in the middle of the night to visit someone? They would be summoned to Élysée, surely.

Of course Tusk's meeting on a peer with Putin, not long before the 'mysterious' plane crash, that Tusk and his cronies were not on and both of the Kaczyński brothers were expected to be on, probably doesn't bother you as much.

You're still on about Smolensk?

Okay, WP, let's talk diplomatic protocol. The meeting on the 7th was between Prime Ministers. Kaczyński couldn't meet Putin - diplomatic protocol means that Prime Ministers meet Prime Ministers and Heads of State meet other Heads of State. Likewise with ministers - if they make an official visit, then they meet with a similarly ranked minister in the host country.

As for the 10th - we've gone over it a thousand times, and I remind you - the military prosecutor invited anyone with a credible theory to come and discuss it with them. They didn't get one single credible theory. Oh, and please - don't forget that there were PO and SLD politicians on the same flight.
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #19
But it's weird

Polish political scene is weird for those who don't understand it.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #20
There's nothing to understand here. Duda is openly disrespecting the role of the Presidency by making these late night visits to Kaczyński.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Sep 2015  #21
@Delph: Duda has won the election and as a result has become president ;). This is democracy and if you mean to live in Poland, you have to respect Polish people's choice. Of course, foreigners may have their opinion (I do have mine too) but they must respect democratic choice. If polls are confirmed and PiS wins in 4 weeks, will you finish in a mental unit because of severe depression? ;).

PS: what about the huge money Komorowski has thrown away on his stupid referendum? You have never commented upon that. With its great participation of 7.80%, it has been the most expensive referendum ever organized in EU. The said money could have been spent in much better ways and I know that most Poles believe the way I do... ;)
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
27 Sep 2015  #22
PS: what about the huge money Komorowski has thrown away on his stupid referendum? You have never commented upon that.

He wouldn't. He only comments on negative things to do with PiS. It's called having an agenda.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #23
This thread is about Duda making secret visits to Kaczyński late at night and disrespecting the Presidency. Not about anyone or anything else.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Sep 2015  #24
@Wielki: it would be the most decent thing to be a minimum objective. Things are not either white or black ;). Personally I was very shocked (and I wrote it a lot in PF) by the huge amount of money misspent on that stupid referendum? Sorry but even the most stupid village idiot would have said that there was no way 50% of voters would vote. In a lot of countries, the government would have had to resign as a consequence.

As a taxpayer, I am more shocked by government's misspending of tax money than by the fact that X meets Y at night ;)
Ironside 47 | 9,622
27 Sep 2015  #25
Even so called political opponents do socialize with each other. They argue with each other, they insult each other in public but nevertheless very often they socialize with each other.

Many do, some don't, fair enough.

@Ironside! not only that ... but as they are friends, isn't it normal to see each other, to go to each other's place, to have dinner together, etc etc.. ?

Sure, but unfortunately in so called Poland media and politics looks like it looks and they make a big issue out of nothing, even delph become infected.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #26
Sure, but unfortunately in so called Poland media and politics looks like it looks and they make a big issue out of nothing, even delph become infected.

It's not "out of nothing", it's the President making secret late night visits to the leader of the opposition.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
27 Sep 2015  #27
visited his master

PF's veteren PiS bashers -- this time personified by Delfy Boy without his usual Bully Brit backup -- are like the tabloid hyenas and paparazzi (sp?): constantly on the look-out for the slightest thing to attack, discredit and besmirch. The president can visit whomever he wants -- kith or kin, friend or foe -- at at any time he sees fit.

Former overt Katyń conspirator* Miller naturally had to create a sexual innuendo saying with a mischevous grin on his ugly face: "I'm a man of a bygone era, but in my day when two men got together they did so to drink vodka. Nowadays one never knows."

* Leading PZPR operative Leszek Miller brown-nosed his Soviet masters for decades by willingly participating in the Katyń conspiracy of silence.
OP delphiandomine 83 | 17,596
27 Sep 2015  #28
The president can visit whomever he wants -- kith or kin, friend or foe -- at at any time he sees fit.

Actually, protocol dictates that you visit the President, not the other way round.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
27 Sep 2015  #29
@Delph: it could be a private visit to a friend! What's the big deal, if any?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
27 Sep 2015  #30
It's not "out of nothing", it's the President making secret late night visits to the leader of the opposition.

So perhaps he made the visit to a friend late at night so nobody would see as he knew what a needless storm the anti Duda anti PiS media would kick up.

Actually, protocol dictates that you visit the President, not the other way round.

You're saying that Andrzej Duda is not allowed to visit anyone ever, even as a friend just visiting a friend? This was a non official visit. He was not visiting officially as the president of Poland.


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