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Roman Polanski accused of unlawful sex with a minor


johnny reb 18 | 3,771
17 Nov 2015 #121
Surely not some lame 90 days.

That 90 days was in waiting for his sentence to be handed down.

Many have suffered just as bad in their past yet they don't use it for a crutch to justify breaking the laws.

Not that many at all

That are friend's of yours you mean.
Let me introduce you to some of my friends suffering from post-traumatic stress.
Do you see these guys out raping thirteen year old children ?
Your an idiot.

Many have suffered just as bad in their past yet they don't use it for a crutch to justify breaking the laws.

Nor does he.

No but you are trying like hell to.

that he was tried in a court of law already - yet some here seem determined that the trial should happen again for their own gratification.

Wrong again jon, nobody wants another trial, but to have a proper sentence which goes along with the crime.

All part of the court process and hearings within the past decade while he was under house arrest.

Yup, under house arrest while waiting for the plea results to be worked out for his sentencing for his crime where he bolted knowing what the sentence could be.

May I ask again what the sentence would be in Poland for an American that was convicted of the same crime ?
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #122
Let me introduce you to some of my friends suffering from post-traumatic stress.

Tell me about it. It isn't an easy thing to live with.

Yup, under house arrest while waiting for the plea result

If there wasn't the corrupt system of voting for prosecutors in the US it would have been dealt with decades ago.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
17 Nov 2015 #123
Roman did 90 days or less didn't he ?

That included psychiatric evaluations. The official story is that the judge was going to reneg on the plea bargain and send him to prison so that's why he fled. My theory is that after looking over the psychiatric evaluations the judge decided he represented an ongoing danger and was going to lock him up for that reason (I'm pretty sure he would have to show compelling reasons to cancel the plea bargain).
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
17 Nov 2015 #124
It leaves a nasty taste, doesn't it.

What really leaves a nasty taste is that this filthy pedophile has been making films, getting awards (including states ones), attending big events etc. since then. So much for "he already got his punishment". All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. If he had been just an average guy, he would have rotten in prison.

He's had an odd life, with his parents dying in the camps, his pregnant wife being hacked to pieces and the sex thing.

That reminds me of "but he is a child of Holocaust" :)) Now I am waiting for "come on, she's just a Goy !" :)))))
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #125
My theory is that after looking over the psychiatric evaluations the judge decided he represented an ongoing danger and was going to lock him up for that reason

That's possible, however I'm not sure they thought as much like that then as now and suspect it being during an election campaign for the district attorney had a lot to do with it.
Harry
17 Nov 2015 #126
What really leaves a nasty taste is that this filthy pedophile has been making films, getting awards (including states ones), attending big events etc. since then.

Wow, I agree with Grzegorz!

If he had been just an average guy, he would have rotten in prison.

More probably he'd have done no more than a couple of years; his crime is (rightly) viewed much more seriously now.
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #127
I wonder if there was any forensic evidence or eyewitnesses.
Harry
17 Nov 2015 #128
He admits raping her in his auto-biography.
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #129
Indeed, however how long was that after the initial legal process?
Harry
17 Nov 2015 #130
I think it was six years, not that I can see how that makes a difference. He's never denied that they had sex, only that she didn't object.
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #131
The aftermath case will run and run as long as he's alive. Unable to legally give consent at that age and in that jurisdiction.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
17 Nov 2015 #132
He's never denied that they had sex, only that she didn't object.

Which is irrelevant if she was 13 years old an unable to legally consent to sexual activity (maybe in France....)
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #133
maybe in France

15 in France. 13 in some other places. In America it used to vary by state and may still, but none 13.
Harry
17 Nov 2015 #134
Which is irrelevant if she was 13 years old an unable to legally consent to sexual activity

Yep, which at makes him at best legally a rapist. At worst he's a paedophile rapist.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
17 Nov 2015 #135
The official story is that the judge was going to reneg on the plea bargain and send him to prison so that's why he fled.

Are these plea bargains legally binding? I've never quite understood how this works in the US.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
17 Nov 2015 #136
Are these plea bargains legally binding?

We don't understand it all either. But I'm assuming that reneging on a plea bargain would lend itself ot immediate appeal and have to be backed up by more than re-election fears.
jon357 63 | 14,254
17 Nov 2015 #137
That would depend on their legal system whether it would be an appeal or a judicial review, however I suspect there's a mechanism that lets them do that.
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
18 Nov 2015 #138
If there wasn't the corrupt system of voting for prosecutors in the US it would have been dealt with decades ago.

You've brought this up repeatedly so I'll take the bait, please explain yourself.
A prosecutors job is to prove that someone broke the law.
Roman admitted to breaking the law so why try to blame a prosecutor for legally doing his job ?

Let me introduce you to some of my friends suffering from post-traumatic stress.

Tell me about it. It isn't an easy thing to live with.

Are you insinuating that you served in the military and witnessed death jon ?

however I'm not sure they thought as much like that then as now and suspect it being during an election campaign for the district attorney had a lot to do with it.

It had absolutely NOTHING to do with it because if it had the slime would still be sitting behind bars with his new boyfriend Bubba.

You have brought that up before also.
May I ask why you consistently condone your doubts that this piece of sh!t SHOULDN'T be doing prison time ?
mafketis 21 | 7,458
18 Nov 2015 #139
That would depend on their legal system whether it would be an appeal or a judicial review

Well guilty verdicts in trials are automatically appealed and I'm sure a judge reneging on a plea bargain would be grounds for appeal.

Now I have new theory (doesn't displace the old one [the judge was alarmed by the contents of the psychiatric evaluations] but is an alternate and/or the two work together)

new theory: The judge plans on reneging on the plea bargain realizing that that decision will likely be overturned. Ultimately, he thinks, the plea bargain will stand but he's off the hook as he's successfully passed the buch onto some other judge.

Polanski, not understanding how the US legal system works, panics and runs causing himself decades of uncertainty and the need to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
jon357 63 | 14,254
18 Nov 2015 #140
Well guilty verdicts in trials are automatically appealed and I'm sure a judge reneging on a plea bargain would be grounds for appeal.

US law may now be different, however in English law (which it is based on) an appeal is specifically about the safety of an original conviction and the information submitted to an appeal judge is highly circumscribed. If, for example, new evidence emerges, it has to be a judicial review which takes longer and operates under different rules. If information was known to the prosecutor during the original case but not presented to the court (or presented to them and misinterpreted by the judge) it would be a matter for the appeal. In this case, I doubt there would be new information.

In the case of a broken deal about a plea bargain (fortunately these don't exist in England), the question is whether it would be an appeal or another legal mechanism.

judge plans on reneging on the plea bargain realizing that that decision will likely be overturned.

This is very possible and a good theory. We do need to look at the role of the District Attorney here. They can pressure judges and both have to "play to the audience" especially in cases with a high media profile due to both facing re-election and scrutiny over their decisions by their opponents.

insinuating

a. Check out the meaning of the word insinuating
b. Check out PTSD. Most people affected have no connection to your or any other military

It had absolutely NOTHING to do

Once again you display ignorance - the plea bargain was made and then was about to be broken. In a year where the public (crazy system) had to vote for prosecutors.
Harry
18 Nov 2015 #141
Are these plea bargains legally binding?

Depends on which type of plea bargain you are talking about. Have a look at rule 11(c) here: law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_11

Although those are current federal rules, I don't know what the state of California rules were back in the 1970s.
johnny reb 18 | 3,771
18 Nov 2015 #142
Let me introduce you to some of my friends suffering from post-traumatic stress.

Tell me about it. It isn't an easy thing to live with.

Are you insinuating that you served in the military and witnessed death jon ?

a. Check out the meaning of the word insinuating

You seem to be skirting my YES or No question to you jon.
May I ask again, "Are you saying that you have served in the military and witnessed death ?"

b. Check out PTSD. Most people affected have no connection to your or any other military

Not worth responding to such an ignorant lie.
I don't think you have a clue to what PTSD is.
That is WHY crimes such as Roman admitted to committing are taken so seriously.
He was very lucky the girls father didn't get to spend 15 minutes alone in his jail cell with him.
jon357 63 | 14,254
18 Nov 2015 #143
I don't think you have a clue to what PTSD is.

There you go again. Most people who experience PTSD have no connection with the military. But hey, if all you can do is be abusive, why should I even acknowledge you.

You may think that his pregnant being hacked to death was something that the famous Polish film director could shrug off in a day however the reality is very different.

Not that it excuses or justifies a crime; it does however explain his years of wild behaviour.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
2 Jun 2016 #144
Merged: Celebrity status does not mean evading justice -- Ziobro

Polański does not deserve preferential treatment and should be extradited to the US, says Polish Prosecutor General. Last October, a Polish court rejected a US request to extradite film-maker Roman Polański over a 1978 charge of sexually abusing a minor. Since then, Poland's new hard-line Prosecutor General Zbigniew Ziobro began questioning that decision, contending that Polański's celebrity status had helped him evade justice. "I've decided to file an appeal with the Supreme Court against the ruling (not to extradite Polański) in a situation when he's accused of and wanted for the a rape of a child," Ziobro explained. "If he was just a regular guy, a teacher, doctor or plumber, I'm sure he'd have been deported from any country to the US a long time ago," Ziobro also announced plans to stiffen the penal code as regards rapists and other sexual offenders.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
2 Jun 2016 #145
Looks like Ziobro is lying through his teeth, not that it's a surprise.

He's wanted for his guilty plea for having sexual intercourse with a minor. He's not wanted for any rape, no matter how hard right wingers might try and pretend otherwise.

Funny how Ziobro talks about evading justice, yet he was silent on Duda's use of the veto to ensure a criminal could take his place in the PiS government.
Harry
2 Jun 2016 #146
Funny how Ziobro talks about evading justice, yet he was silent on Duda's use of the veto to ensure a criminal could take his place in the PiS government.

That is strange, isn't it.

Celebrity status does not mean evading justice -- Ziobro

What about status as President of Poland? Should that enable somebody to hide from answering to crimes of defrauding Poland by claiming flights taken for personal enrichment were expenses the taxpayer should pay for?
Bieganski 17 | 901
2 Jun 2016 #147
Poland's new hard-line Prosecutor General Zbigniew Ziobro began questioning that decision, contending that Polański's celebrity status had helped him evade justice.

The Prosecutor General is absolutely correct. There is no denying the fact that the absconding convict Polanski has not completed his prison sentence. This only shows a double standard and indeed contempt for the law. This can only lead to the public's distrust of the legal system as well as the agreed extradition treaty between Poland and the United States.

He's wanted for his guilty plea for having sexual intercourse with a minor. He's not wanted for any rape

There is another legal term for unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. It's called statutory rape. Minors cannot give consent. And this is all the more so in this particular case when including the published account that he plied his underaged victim with alcohol and a quaalude.

That is strange, isn't it.

What's absolutely bizarre is how the PF apologists for the absconding convict Polanski are the same ones who have started multiple threads and wrote scores of posts criticizing of Roman Catholic clergy (and only Roman Catholic clergy) for committing the same office of "sexual intercourse with minors" (aka statutory rape).

All right for some isn't it? Must be KODpiece logic, eh?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
2 Jun 2016 #148
And this is all the more so in the case when including the published account that he plied the underaged victim with alcohol and a quaalude.

We stick to facts here, which was that Polanski pled guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. The term "statutory rape" is not used in California, hence calling him a rapist is factually incorrect.

What's absolutely bizarre is how the apologists for the absconding convict Polanski are the same ones who have started multiple threads and wrote scores of posts criticizing of Roman Catholic clergy (and only Roman Catholic clergy) for committing the same office of "sexual intercourse with minors" (aka statutory rape).

What's more bizarre is how no-one would say a word about Polanski if he was a Polish Catholic, but because he has Jewish connections, they want his blood.

This is just yet another example of the Polish conservative/communist obsession with punishing Jewish people for alleged crimes in the past, such as making money and being good at business, both of which most PiS supporters fail miserably at.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
3 Jun 2016 #149
hey want his blood

...Just as the libertine clique wanted the blood (figuratively of course) of Paetz, Hozer and any otehr cleric that doesn't fit their "progressive" bias.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
3 Jun 2016 #150
Which is pretty much a good reason why these things should be left to professional, independent police, prosecution services and courts.

Harry, any idea if Poland can use a EAW in this case?

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