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Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?


Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #451
Seeing that people is firmly refusing your PoV due of lack (absence) of real proofs

I'm the only one on here that's provided a cohesive argument. Everybody else just spews off with nothing to back their idiocy up.

Olga:
Finally, a Pole more concerned about the suspicious circumstances than about where Kaczynski is to be buried.
*targeting an hostile citizen whom don't want the best of it's country*

On the contrary, best for my country isn't letting assassins get away with this if they are guilty. You have sick logic.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
16 Apr 2010 #452
Olga put forward the most likely scenario,

Well . i value your opinion...but i still think she is a looney....!
pgtx 29 | 3,159
16 Apr 2010 #453
I'm the only one on here that's provided a cohesive argument.

Olga, aren't you afraid that some Russian spies read what you post here and you'll get in trouble soon?
lol
wildrover 98 | 4,451
16 Apr 2010 #454
Lets nuke em now....the world will be in ruins...but Olga will be happy..it will be worth it...!

Olga, aren't you afraid that some Russian spies read what you post here

When i go to Moscow next i will be happy to grass her up...if it helps....??
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Apr 2010 #455
Lets nuke em now....the world will be in ruins...but Olga will be happy..it will be worth it...!

Olga be happy, that would make a nice change :)
RADO - | 12
16 Apr 2010 #456
When i go to Moscow next i will be happy to grass her up...if it helps....??

No need, Rover. Did you see that thick fog the Russians produced from the volcano to cover all of the northern Europe? They must have found out that some people on this forum are too close to blowing their conspiracy, and preparing for the next assassination.
nogardthegreat - | 22
16 Apr 2010 #457
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm looking at what Olga has posted, and if we had that kind of evidence about 9/11 in the USA, George Bush would be swinging from a lamp post.
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
16 Apr 2010 #458
On the contrary, best for my country isn't letting assassins get away with this if they are guilty. You have sick logic.

Your logic is sick... ruining the chance of Poland having better relationship with Russia = better trade etc = more money = better living for most Poles
YOU GOT SICK LOGIC!
f stop 25 | 2,513
16 Apr 2010 #459
It really would be lovely if a Russian Jew was responsible for the plane crash, but life never serve us neat little packages like that.
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #460
Olga, aren't you afraid that some Russian spies read what you post here and you'll get in trouble soon?

So, now I have everyone's attention, eh? Well, then they would have to eliminate a lot of Poles, because many have already put 2 and 2 together, aside from the ones on here.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
16 Apr 2010 #461
Seeing that people is firmly refusing your PoV due of lack (absence) of real proofs, why don't you just stop keeping on with that?

GOOD question. Olga can always get a job in Hollywood as a script writer, but I am afraid Sokrates has already filled out the post as a delegate from PF. Maybe next year.
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #462
You should check out some other forums...many posters have similar theories.l
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
16 Apr 2010 #463
no thank you. I already have indigestion reading this one.
One the serious note, the situation in Poland is serious enough, people like you just bread more fear then necessary. Trolling is not gonna solve anything, you are hear to get attention, not because you care about the tragedy.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007
16 Apr 2010 #464
I wondered how long this accident would turn to blaming the Russians. Fact is most Poles can see the truth that this was just human error, but there are still those who would take any chance to have a swipe at Russia. Mainly those who listen to Radio Maria and live out in the country.
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #465
you are hear to get attention, not because you care about the tragedy.

bullsh*t. I could say the same about the majority on here.
nogardthegreat - | 22
16 Apr 2010 #466
I wondered how long this accident would turn to blaming the Russians. Fact is most Poles can see the truth that this was just human error, but there are still those who would take any chance to have a swipe at Russia. Mainly those who listen to Radio Maria and live out in the country.

The proverbial ball is now in the court of folks like you to explain why the boy's video shows no fog, why Polish investigators were forcibly kept from the crash site, why Polish journalists reported on Russians taking all video camera, cell phones and memory cards away from everyone.
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #467
That's it... but they'll just work themselves into migraines. You can't explain away every single thing I outlined. To refute my theory, you'd have to punch a lot of holes in it. So go ahead and try--work yourselves into a froth.
PolishDude - | 22
16 Apr 2010 #468
Your logic is sick... ruining the chance of Poland having better relationship with Russia = better trade etc = more money = better living for most Poles
YOU GOT SICK LOGIC!

You're the sicko. Your pro-Russian stance make me sick. Russians took over Poland and imposed communism. You sound like a pro-commie as well. Go back to Russia ruski!
f stop 25 | 2,513
16 Apr 2010 #469
I'm sure there are forums where folks like you can congragate and work themselves up into a paranoid frenzy. You should go there.
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #470
So, why are you on this thread then?

You're the sicko. Your pro-Russian stance make me sick. Russians took over Poland and imposed communism. You sound like a pro-commie as well. Go back to Russia ruski!

Right, on, Polish Dude!! Pozdrowienia ;)
czar 1 | 143
16 Apr 2010 #471
convex:
The 737 doesn't have a problem landing with full fuel, neither does the Tu.



i have heard of a fuel dumping option that costs more but i couldnt back track a source, maybe company that did upgrades on December ovrehaul

im no aviation expert but if bull**** was electricity i would make a powerhouse,
are there any pics of downed power lines/communication tower *laughable.

[quote=Jed]I've seen the opinion that something could explode in the plane - oxygen cylinders or wheels may be?

while in flight even?

is it normal international protocal to fire at witnesses? if so then how normal should we assume the investigation is going?

@Crow consider a topic along the lines of former eastern bloc countries ally in war with russia
if poland cAlls for action and no response will it pull from the EU?

im not saying much here just lets wait and see but no longer than 50 years.

eh i effed up the quotes on my post again.
grethomory 1 | 154
16 Apr 2010 #472
just an opinion

Hell no....why must conspiracy theories pop up just because something happened...there are true conspiracies that really happen that no one opens their mouths about. It was an accident...accept it.
czar 1 | 143
16 Apr 2010 #473
Lets nuke em now....the world will be in ruins...but Olga will be happy..it will be worth it...!

pardon my ignorance but does poland have nukes?

i sware there are more germans and russians on this site so i notice

youd press me to find the quote but Mr Grunwald said Putin fetched coffee in the KGB*sigh
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #474
i sware there are more germans and russians on this site so i notice

You just noticed now? ;-)
czar 1 | 143
16 Apr 2010 #475
heh nevermind
Karamba - | 27
16 Apr 2010 #476
MP Gurski has apologized

nationalreview.com/the-feed/3976/poland-update-pole-mp-apologizes-blaming-russia-smolensk-air-crash
Olga 1 | 330
16 Apr 2010 #477
I’ve long supported normalization of relations between Poland and Russia. Mainly because I see Poland being set up for a replay of 1939, with similar bad consequences for it. The stationing of so-called defensive missiles in Poland being the first chapter.

Yes, it looks like Poland got stuck between a rock and a hard place with the idiot Bush's idea of a missile defense shield. I really wish Kaczynski had never agreed to it to begin with, the only result was stirring Russia's wrath and Poland should really refrain from provoking the Russian bear. When I first heard of it, I knew immediately it would spell nothing but bad news for Poland...did it? As for the normalization of relations, how? A lot of that depends on an even temperament of the Russian government, something Putin is not renowned for i.e. Chechens--I veel CRUSH them and anyone who so much as give them toilet paper to vipe their asses. And it's just heating the pot to boiling in the Caucasus.

And the crime was blamed on the Germans, when the Allies knew full well their “ally” had done it. I have no doubts the crime was approved at the highest levels in London and Washington

I agree the Allies knew full well, but only after the fact. I honestly think they were goaded into the "Uncle" Joe image Stalin could put on and naively underestimated his ruthlessness. Stalin was never known for asking anyone's approval.

Poland was abandoned to communism and years of killing of Polish POWs and privation and occupation by the USSR it’s “reward”.

Abandoned? More like thrown...

And now this. What are we to make of it?

Make of it what you will, but my advice to Poland is to be very wary and vigilant. There's a saying in Polish: give them your little finger, they will take your whole hand.

And, as the Jewish religious press has graciously asked: Why were so many Polish officials (dangerously) together on the same plane?

Naive, and completely ignorant of the risk. In a way, I think Kaczynski's obstinacy with the Katyn issue may be one reason for what happened. Russian attitude still is that Poland should be grateful and not insolent to the heroic Russians who "saved" Poland's ass from the Germans. Depends what your defintion of "save" is.

It’s not that hard to arrange a plane accident, as at least three former members of the Kennedy family

Hmmm... but they all didn't croak on Russian soil, did they? Had that been the case, it would have been a whole different story.

the Polish presidential plane had a complete overhaul in 2009

Ask yourself "where?"

Now we have to wait for the analysis of the black boxes and the alleged accident under Mr. Putin’s direct supervision

Yes, notice that it's not the Jews doing the controlled "supervising," among other things. Otherwise I would be inclined to look for the answer elsewhere. My take on it is that the the Rabbis may have gotten wind of the falling-out Tusk & Kaczynksi had just prior and it gave them pause due to the tension in the atmosphere.

Any hint of murder on the part of the Russians will turn the suspicious Poles permanently against them.

Suspicion among Poles is split...

it doesn’t make sense for Putin and Medvedev to have done it as they had apparently devoted considerable effort to wooing Poland and appeared to be having some success.

Correction--wooing Tusk, and yes they most definetly were having success as long as Kaczynski was kept at a distance.

Very thoughtful analysis, richasis. :)
MediaWatch 10 | 945
16 Apr 2010 #478
Gun Shots at Polish Crash Site
...

Yesterday, this video appeared on youtube. This is really shocking. You can hear 4 shots there, at the end, there are Polish words - "Change of Plans."

The cameraman is swearing and scared, before shooting you can here in Russian - "dawaj gnata" - which is "give me the gun." Maybe you know Russian. It's on the website of one of Polish TV channels. It says that army specialists are going to examine that. People are shocked; the situation is getting serious; some people are manipulated and rioting in the streets against burying the President in King's Castle in Cracow. It's awful, it's clear manipulation. Very suspicious and quick changes in the army, lots of hidden bad things happening.

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henrymakow.com/katyn_ii_-_how_satanists_say_w_1.html

I'm not saying I believe everything Henry Makow says here, but it is very interesting.

I wonder what other people think about this?
Jed - | 165
16 Apr 2010 #479
my advice to Poland

Sounds funny...
Poland's worst enemy would give the same advices.
Harry
16 Apr 2010 #480
I think you seriously need professional help.

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