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Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?


Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #391
The accident was at 10:56 Moscow Time. At 10:56 the Sun is very high over the horizon, just over one hour away from its highest point during the day. The Sun seen in the clip is low because it's going sleepy. The scene is late afternoon.

The video has the plane in it, in case you forget, and plane did not fly in the afternoon. Video shows high light, consistent with the time of flight. Some traces of fog are visible but nothing llto the extent characterized in reports. Pause and do full screen view. Rewind and pause again if necessary for brain to process. Repeat if required.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
15 Apr 2010 #392
Still, those sounds are identifiable as gun shots beyond reasonable doubt

Couldn't be the sound of breaking wood?
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #393
Still, what do they prove?

I just wonder! Don't you think it could be a signal flares for emergency - to show where to go? It is my speculation, indeed.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #394
The accident was at 10:56 Moscow Time. At 10:56 the Sun is very high over the horizon, just over one hour away from its highest point

Video shows plane. Light IS high, consistent with time of flight. Some fog is visible, but nothing to the degree described in reports. Pause video. Do full screen view. Look closely. Rewind and pause again. Repeat as required until brain processes input.
pgtx 30 | 3,158
15 Apr 2010 #395
A story? It's a video, not a story. I'm just saying that it's credible but proves nothing.

if you get a video of actuall people shooting on the scene... then we'll talk...

ok, my story/theory now...
did you hear the birds on that video? i think they were feeding on the dead bodies... as we all know, Russia is a poor country and even birds don't have anything to eat...

...ehh... :/
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #396
ShawnH, couldn't it be breaking wind? ;)

Jed, who would have signal flares so early? The spread of shots suggests that you could be right but gunfire could have the same function.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
15 Apr 2010 #397
ShawnH, couldn't it be breaking wind? ;)

No.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #398
Ok, then that is ruled out then ;)

I don't want to play the red herrings game. 9/11 was far easier than this. Assassination? Crow, you still haven't proffered a tenable, never mind a cogent, suggestion.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #399
The video has the plane in it, in case you forget, and plane did not fly in the afternoon.

But the interview was definitely in the afternoon.

Video shows high light, consistent with the time of flight.

We can see a plane flying well above tree tops, while it had been reported that the plane was very low and it even knocked a communication tower and lost some parts.

We don't know what plane that video shows. From the yt clip it is not possible to discern the plane's markings. In short the video within the clip proves nothing.

Some traces of fog are visible but nothing llto the extent characterized in reports.

IF the camera clip shows THAT plane then the clarity of the sky seen there is not conclusive in regards to the fog reports. The plane was not supposed to land on a cloud but on the ground that was reportedly covered by fog.

Again, I encourage you to wait for the official report and, hopefully, for the sound track of the voice recorder. That, I'm sure, will clear any fog. Until then you there is no proof of foul play. None.
ShawnH 8 | 1,508
15 Apr 2010 #400
Ok, then that is ruled out then ;)

I think it was a series of explosions in the treetops that brought the plane down. Unqualified people have provided their opinions on this matter.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #401
Yeah, Putin sent in those birds to clear up ;) ;) Were they tits or...?

Assass, that's a couple of as*es there :)

The official line holds sway with me :)
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #402
Ok, then that is ruled out then ;)

Could this help? (0:39 and on)

youtube.com/watch?v=NLEvlnxbn7w
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #403
Gunfire in the other Video is most likely from Russian soldiers dispatched to guard evidence and prevent witnesses from getting a view. Guy in video who is cursing is getting shot at to keep back. 1 + 1 = god knows what in your world.
pgtx 30 | 3,158
15 Apr 2010 #404
paranoia i say...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #405
Olga steps in with the best and most logical commentary. He was gey close and had to back off, that makes a lot of sense. They would have dispatched guys out pronto to keep him at a distance.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #406
Obviously only time Darius has ever heard gunfire is from watching B action movies. Your arguments are so illogical and defy the evidence in the videos. Martian.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #407
Your arguments are so illogical and defy the evidence in the videos.

You haven't disproved a single one of them. Not one. And yet again you have to resort to insults.
The videos do not provide a proof of foul play. Everything in them is circumstantial and thus it became subject of your paranoia.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #408
You haven't disproved a single one of them. Not one.

z_Darius, you sound like paid propaganda artist. Videos show the obvious as I said previously. Anyone with half a brain or who is not in businness of brainwash can see.
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #409
Videos show the obvious as I said previously.

Although you usually see unexisting things with this video you are almost right - the officials trying to clear accident territory from occasional people - it is proved by distant voices.

It could be dangerous to stay there right after the crash near firing debris.

I can't recognise shots unless I see someone with a gun - I just can't be sure. For you there is no doubt - you saw a lot of movies with cruel Russian soldiers.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #410
z_Darius, you sound like paid propaganda artist. Videos show the obvious as I said previously. Anyone with half a brain or who is not in businness of brainwash can see.

Yes, you already saw fuel ejectors on TU-154 wings. It turns out TU-154 has no such ejectors.
You see an interview conducted a few hours after the accident and you want the fog to be still there, as thick and as intact as it was or wasn't at the time of the crash. Weather doesn't work like that but we have now all seen how your brain works.

You are seriously ill.
Take a bath and catch a few hours of sleep. You're burning yourself out and soon you'll see Putin himself in one of those clips.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 Apr 2010 #411
By now the boy's camera has been in all likelihood confiscated.

Where does it exactly say that the camera is the boy's camera? Wouldn't the last images of the plane in action be something worth noting by the reporters? But they don't seem to pay much attention to it. I don't think the plane on that camera is the Polish plane.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
wildrover 98 | 4,451
15 Apr 2010 #412
Belgians...HA...i thought having a sense of humour in Belgium was illegal..even a sick one....

Just ignore them my Polish friends....most of the rest of Europe does...!
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 Apr 2010 #413
Belgians...HA...i thought having a sense of humour in Belgium was illegal..even a sick one....

Hey, don't insult the friendly Flemish! Only the Dutch are allowed to make fun of them ;)

Just ignore them my Polish friends....most of the rest of Europe does...!

No, that would be the Welsh and ppl from Yorkshire.

>^..^<

M-G (grin)
thebear45 1 | 67
15 Apr 2010 #414
Obviously only time Darius has ever heard gunfire is from watching B action movies

hey, olga idiot...

you ever heard real gunfire? in albania we hear it daily, so let me tell you.( i am expert on this things) gun fire is from the explode ammo from Kaczynki bodyguards.

wowwowowowo, so hard to believe, right?

that's it! thats it! no conspiracie you moron!
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #415
you sound like paid propaganda artist

Russia was ready to release the voice recorder transcript, Polish side asked to wait.
Torq 32 | 2,897
15 Apr 2010 #416
in albania we hear it daily

I thought you lived in Canada, Teddy?
Karamba - | 27
15 Apr 2010 #417
I didn't hear gunfire for the last 25 years - not sure can recognize it.

For me it's a typical noise on microphone caused by wind. I often get similar noise when record video on camcoder.
thebear45 1 | 67
15 Apr 2010 #418
thought you lived in Canada, Teddy?

yeah? i mean in past we hear it
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #419
The Poles are very united at the moment. They don't need to worry about 'Samo słoga Polska Spaśava'. Assassination, LOL. Crow, were you on drugs when you wrote this?
OP Crow 139 | 8,273
15 Apr 2010 #420
alright my friend, you got my attention

As for assassination, i don`t know. You never know, one just can`t be sure

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