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Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?


Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #361
If majority of the world believed that it was an accident then that's it is, case closed.

That's the "magic" of media-manipulating propaganda. Russia must be gloating. All that money in propaganda budget did not go to waste. It's not up to the ignorant masses to decide what the truth is, unbiased transparent investigations are for that--contrary to what is occurring here. Poland should get EU inquiry going into this--Russia is playing them for a fool and they are in over their head.
Stu 12 | 522
15 Apr 2010 #362
Russia is playing them for a fool

Neither did you answer my question whether you wouldn't agree that the Polish investigators, who work alongside the Russian investigators, wouldn't protest heavily (probably would even go to the press with it if relations between PL and RU are that tense) if they felt they were kept out of the loop.

I'm sorry ... I find your theories highly improbable.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #363
In which point?
Address the points I made.
The only clear thing for now is that you lost your mind.

Explain lack of heavy fog--and Russia's jumping up-and-down loudly yelling "fog!", when video clearly shows little. I am referring to boy's video as the plane was overhead. Not some smoke-filled low light footage reporters shot hours later after the wreckage was burning fuel and PAH's (polyacrylic hydrocarbons) all day. Also, explain how Russia could not be behind it if they had the plane in their possession several months prior for overhaul.

Neither did you answer my question whether you wouldn't agree that the Polish investigators, who work alongside the Russian investigators, wouldn't protest heavily (probably would even go to the press with it if relations between PL and RU are that tense) if they felt they were kept out of the loop.

Answer: Tusk. AKA pro-Russia puppet and likely allied with Putin in this. How convenient he was "invited" several days prior after having a big falling-out with Kaczynski.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
15 Apr 2010 #364
Because the video clearly contradicts you.

I watched the video too. They show a fraction of a second on a camera a moving image of a plane. Nowhere it says that it was the boys' camera or that this was the presidential plane. If it was, the reporter surely would've mentioned it as it would be the last images of the plane with its passengers alive.

I watched the fragment again and nobody says the camera shown is the boys' property. And besides, the boys going to school? On a Saturday morning? And they usually take a photo camera with them to school?

Furthermore: it takes some time to adjust a photo camera's settings, so that it will record moving images. The plane will have moved so fast that by the time they would've gotten their camera ready, the plane would've already been crashed.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
Stu 12 | 522
15 Apr 2010 #365
Answer: Tusk. AKA pro-Russia puppet and likely allied with Putin in this. How convenient he was "invited" several days prior after having a big falling-out with Kaczynski.

Oh, come on ... now I truly believe you see a conspiracy behind everything, probably even behind the ash cloud over Western Europe. It must be the Russians as well ... :S. I'm afraid you have lost all credibility now.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #366
Explain lack of heavy fog--and Russia's jumping up-and-down loudly yelling "fog!", when video clearly shows little.

What's "little" in terms of fog?

There is background light (the Sun) and ambient light in the video. Fog seen against a darker background (such as seen from a plane downwards) will appear thicker.

There is plenty of fog and the visibility seems to be around the claimed 400m. Also, as you pointed out yourself, the video was made a few hours after the crash. The presence or lack of fog in that flick is irrelevant. Fog can vanish within minutes.

Not some smoke-filled low light footage reporters shot hours later after the wreckage was burning fuel and PAH's (polyacrylic hydrocarbons) all day.

By then the firefighters did most of their job and the wind was blowing any smoke out of the way. Als, as I wrote earlier, another version of the same flick shows areas East and North of the crash and there is also fog. The breeze is coming from the North so if the fog was really smoke then little to none would have flown towards the North, against the wind. Unless Russian smoke is really a member of the KGB and was trained to fly against the wind.

Also, explain how Russia could not be behind it if they had the plane in their possession several months prior for overhaul.

That's easy. Not all people are smart just because they have brains.
The Russian service of the plane may raise questions and it may direct the investigation further, but at this point it proves precious nothing. I hope you understand the term "proof". There is none.
richasis 1 | 420
15 Apr 2010 #367
Witnesses can be put in place to say any old thing.

Seanus, you may mean like this 'witness' on 9/11:

youtube.com/watch?v=YEgHU6pS-tg
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #368
The latest is that gunfire was heard in the woods of Smolensk. youtube.com/watch?v=ryXms5Jl7QE I can guess what the Russian guy is saying here but I would appreciate clarification from a Russian through translation. It's amazing that they can detect a duck at a huge distance but not a plane only 150m away.

Richasis, without looking at the video, I know it is the 'Reamer Man'. Yup, as I thought :) I could raise 500-1000 points proving that 9/11 was an inside job but very few here against Russia.
richasis 1 | 420
15 Apr 2010 #369
I could raise 500-1000 points proving that 9/11 was an inside job but very few here against Russia.

Indeed. Agreed. :)
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #370
I can guess what the Russian guy is saying here but I would appreciate clarification from a Russian through translation.

It can be translated as "F*CK" - a man holding camera is just completely shocked...

Didn't hear a gun fire - in what time is it on that video?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #371
I haven't heard anybody yet come up with a satisfactory theory of how he was assassinated. What is being said just after 0.47 in the video clip I posted? It almost sounds like 'God Bless America'. Sth with America anyway.

Jed, once at 0.57, then at 1.06 and again at 1.13. Maybe one more.
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #372
ed, once at 0.57, then at 1.06 and again at 1.13. Maybe one more.

Yes, I've got it. I didn't hear gunfire for the last 25 years - not sure can recognize it.
I've seen the opinion that something could explode in the plane - oxygen cylinders or wheels may be?

What is being said just after 0.47 in the video clip I posted?

Somethimg like "Go here" - most likely somebody showed direction to the cars approaching.

The whole video looks like the first one after catastrophe.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #373
I don't think so, Jed. Those shots were fired by people as can be judged by distance in relation to sound. I won't be jumping to conclusions any time soon but this footage is credible.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #374
Also, as you pointed out yourself, the video was made a few hours after the crash

No, I did not say that. Learn how to read . Video is clearly from morning as you can see by the light and Russia today is state-run tv which is why there is no further mention in the reports of that video. By now the boy's camera has been in all likelihood confiscated.
pgtx 29 | 3,159
15 Apr 2010 #375
shots

i don't think anybody was alive on the ground anyway so why to shot at them...?

don't you all have a headache already from thinking and analyzing since last Saturday...?
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #376
hose shots were fired by people as can be judged by distance in relation to sound.

Yes, may be - it is with connection to the distant voice - "all go back" - to the people like this man recording video. Never seen police or emergency firing near people eighter. Signal flare?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #377
That guy got his film out and it can be taken away but people have made copies. This film isn't conclusive but it could support part of a bigger investigation.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #378
No, I did not say that. Learn how to read .

OK, my fault. I took it from another poster.

Video is clearly from morning as you can see by the light and Russia today is state-run tv which is why there is no further mention in the reports of that video.

The accident was at 10:56 Moscow Time. At 10:56 the Sun is very high over the horizon, just over one hour away from its highest point during the day. The Sun seen in the clip is low because it's going sleepy. The scene is late afternoon.

By now the boy's camera has been in all likelihood confiscated.

Oh stop it. Why can't you be patient? What, are you 10 years old? Can't sit in one spot for too long.

You already wrote Here are Tupelov 154 photos CLEARLY showing, to those who are not blind and retarded, fuel ejectors on wings:.
tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=136
And now it turns out you CLEARLY saw what you wanted to see.
richasis 1 | 420
15 Apr 2010 #379
If we're speaking of the same video, could this 'gunfire' be the 'crackling' of burning wood?
ShawnH 8 | 1,507
15 Apr 2010 #380
But wouldn't you hear a roaring fire to go along with the crackling?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #381
They sound distinctly like gun shots, I can make them out. The last one sounds more like a heavy axe blow but my money is still on a gun.
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #382
Aerosol/pressurized cans popping?
1jola 14 | 1,879
15 Apr 2010 #383
On Polish TV they explained that as amunition exploding in fires.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #384
No, and in America they explained it as the planes bringing the buildings down, ROTFL ;) ;)

Ammunition, what, the secret nuclear dumps between Russia and Poland in the forests of Smolensk? ;) Ammunition my nuts!
1jola 14 | 1,879
15 Apr 2010 #385
Bodyguards' ammo.
ShawnH 8 | 1,507
15 Apr 2010 #386
Have autopsies been conducted on the victims?
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #387
Ammunition, what, the secret nuclear dumps between Russia and Poland in the forests of Smolensk? ;) Ammunition my nuts!

There were 8 security officers on board (BOR). Is it not possible that the weapons were on board of the plane?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #388
I doubt it but it's possible. Still, those sounds are identifiable as gun shots beyond reasonable doubt. Still, what do they prove?
pgtx 29 | 3,159
15 Apr 2010 #389
Still, what do they prove?

Nothing Seanus... you're making up a story right now...
Seanus 15 | 19,706
15 Apr 2010 #390
A story? It's a video, not a story. I'm just saying that it's credible but proves nothing.

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