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Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom?


f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #331
investigation to be at the whim

You sound like a child.
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #332
The story of Kaczynski ordering the plane to land is ********.

Yes.

But possible the pilots were in a hurry by themselves. They understood how important this visit was for the President.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #333
Oh, back to this lame-brained argument, are we?
Of course, because no proof is needed. After all, dead men can't talk. How convenient.

gave up on fuel dumping eh?

I did more digging, and you're right--no fuel dump system. Fair enough. At least I admit it, unlike others here who will still spew forth that Kaczynksi was the master of his own demise, when CLEARLY he was not, and now revert back to the pilot being at fault. Like hamsters on a treadmill.
convex 20 | 3,978
15 Apr 2010 #334
Just an interesting little sidenote. During the second world war, Smolensk was a Luftwaffe airfield. In 1943, Hitler was visiting the airbase and Col. Tresckow had a bomb smuggled onto Hitler's aircraft, set to detonate while it was in the air. Unfortunately the bomb failed to detonate due to the cold temperature in the cargo hold.

Smolensk...

Oh, back to this lame-brained argument, are we?
Of course, because no proof is needed. After all, dead men can't talk. How convenient.

I think the argument of ordering the plane down is probably as likely dumping fuel in a Tu154. On the other hand, I think there was pressure for the crew to put the plane down. You can see that in the planning of the trip (late departure leaving no room for error). This will go down as pilot error, but the more important question is why did that happen? My personal belief is that safety came secondary to the mission. Interested to see how the Polish AF punished past infractions that did not lead to an accident. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #335
Oh, back to this lame-brained argument, are we?
Of course, because no proof is needed. After all, dead men can't talk. How convenient.

Wrong.

There is information (not confirmed yet -look here on PF) from one of the listeners of the black box. We need some time - may be it will be confirmed, may be not. It will be possible from voice recorders.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #336
Just an interesting little sidenote. During the second world war, Smolensk was a Luftwaffe airfield. In 1943, Hitler was visiting the airbase and Col. Tresckow had a bomb smuggled onto Hitler's aircraft, set to detonate while it was in the air. Unfortunately the bomb failed to detonate due to the cold temperature in the cargo hold.

Yeah, Smolensk--Russian death trap.
Any INTELLIGENT comments on this video?

How many times are you going to post the same video?

youtube.com/watch?v=PFOvLvykQhs

Ignorant commenters, save yourselves the effort--save effort for hoisting vodka shots.

Side note: Russians are known for the obsession with symbolic messages that spell vengeance. Like Litvinenko, for example, and polonium--message likely was: "Experience what Katyn was like, you basta*d." What more cruelly ironic message for Poland than this?
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #337
Like hamsters on a treadmill

I see Olga!
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #338
You see fu*k-all in your vodka-induced psychotic delerium.
Jed - | 165
15 Apr 2010 #339
Any INTELLIGENT comments on this video

You are the only INTELLIGENT on this forum - what are you waiting from us?
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #340
I am waiting for someone to convince me they are not a lobotomized, drooling retard. Apparently, I will be waiting for a long while...
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
15 Apr 2010 #341
who spat in your breakfast this morning?
(me thinks Olga is not gonna stay with us for too long)
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #342
time to change the name again Olga, you've embarrassed yourself enough.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
15 Apr 2010 #343
Can someone ban Olga please? I mean, this is just embarassing that she is still here feeding us with the same ********.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #344
who spat in your breakfast this morning?

People who parade their drooling lobotomies like they are a virtue to be proud of.

Anyway, back to the topic: Comments on video please--well thought out with supporting evidence.

Also, same as above on this please:
themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/scent-of-shale-gas-hangs-over-katyn/403877.html
nord-stream.com/en/press0/press-releases/press-release/article/nord-stream-ensures-unrestricted-access-to-polish-ports.html

Come on people--shut the hell up until you actually READ this.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #345
Any INTELLIGENT comments on this video?

I offered reasonable comments. You responded with insults but not with even a single INTELLIGENT argument.

So you have a problem with Russian media reports and then you use them to continue your unproven allegations?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

others here who will still spew forth that Kaczynksi was the master of his own demise

According to Russian sorces (those Russians again) there was no presidential presure on the pilot. But then, it's the Russians who say that so naturally the truth must be the opposite, huh?

I did more digging, and you're right--no fuel dump system

cool. You're a brave little gal.
Perhaps a nap, or a bath will clear your mind further.
Stu 12 | 522
15 Apr 2010 #346
facts

?? Facts? You call that facts? Hmm ... I am afraid I have to disagree, Olga. Don't you think that the Polish investigators who are there, wouldn't object heavily if they had the idea that the Russian investigators weren't completely open to them.

I think you are seeing ghosts, Olga. And ... the louder you shout abuse, the less believable you become, I'm afraid.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
15 Apr 2010 #347
Olga, you will realize how foolish you have been, when it all comes out as pilot error. 3000 hrs flying time is nothing. That is about how much you need to get a job with any commercial airline. The most tragic thing about this crash, is that it was completely avoidable.

Most likely the crew did not set the altimeter correctly (to Russian specifications)
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #348
So you have a problem with Russian media reports and then you use them to continue your unproven allegations?

To illustrate my argument on who's doing all the one-sided talking. Which clearly you are so short-sighted as not to see.

According to Russian sorces (those Russians again) there was no presidential presure on the pilot

Interesting that Russia was so quick to jump on Kaczynski and now looks like idiots, no? Again, your myopia is epic.

Read the damned links I posted or shut up!
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #349
Read the damned links I posted or shut up!

Nobody gives a crap about your links. You're a lunatic.
Filios1 8 | 1,336
15 Apr 2010 #350
posted or shut up!

hahaha... Olga is feisty today.
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #351
Nobody gives a crap about your links. You're a lunatic.

You are degenerate inbreed--explains a lot.

At least click and read the bloody headlines, illiterate drunks.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #352
Read the damned links I posted or shut up!

Hold your horses.
One customer at a time :)
You still haven't responded to my analysis of the youtube flick.
Harry
15 Apr 2010 #353
Can someone ban Olga please?

Why not run crying to the mods about how she called you a greasy kebab-boy? Of course I'd never call you that (there's no need, I can just call you a filthy lying scumbag Jew who I hope gets cancer, that is perfectly acceptable) but anytime anbody calls you that you run crying to the mods screaming about how the big boys are being mean to you. Try it with Olga (and don't forget to send me yet another PM threatening me).
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #354
hahaha... Olga is feisty today.

Yeah, some like crazy women :D
f stop 25 | 2,513
15 Apr 2010 #355
You are degenerate inbreed--

Do you know what inbred is? Why would anyone care about your opinions if you can form one out of thin air?
Olga 1 | 330
15 Apr 2010 #356
You still haven't responded to my analysis of the youtube flick.

Explain evidence of your theory and expect to be challenged. Because the video clearly contradicts you. Only obtusely obstinate brainwashed fools would argue with it.
anton888 - | 82
15 Apr 2010 #357
Alright Olga, the Russian together with whoever you think are involved. Majority of the world join together to cover up the truth. What are you going to do now? I am interested to hear what you got in mind. What's your next step? The world deserve to know the truth that you believe in, which is in fact the whole truth and nothing but the truth according to you, whoever said otherwise are

blinded by state-sponsored propaganda.

You can not let it be cover up. Wasting your time in a forum posting the same vidoe in different threads do not change people's mind. Hope you are aware that in democratic society, majority win. If majority of the world believed that it was an accident then that's it is, case closed. This system is the one that many people around the world had die for (including Poland) in order to stop a small group of narrow minded individual, stubbornly believe that the world has conspiracy to hurt her, ignore common sense creating the whole story inside own head then pratice it like religious.

If what you believe is the truth, then majority of poeple should agree to it.
Velund 1 | 408
15 Apr 2010 #358
One customer at a time :)

And, from Russian joke, not to fuss under the client. ;)
Filios1 8 | 1,336
15 Apr 2010 #359
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Harry... you are due for another ban, I'm afraid...

Yeah, some like crazy women :D

I think she's a bit toooo crazy..
Would probably read out conspiracy theories during sex :D
z_darius 14 | 3,968
15 Apr 2010 #360
Because the video clearly contradicts you.

In which point?
Address the points I made.
The only clear thing for now is that you lost your mind.

So my comment stands - you still have not addressed any of the technical issues I described.

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