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Polonophobia rising in Israel.


Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
21 Jul 2018 #121
Well I guess there is a notion that more Polish people were willing participants of the holocaust than in other countries,

There were TWO, a whole TWO pogrons in poland hat the Israelis whine about non stop - kielce and jedwabne pogroms and even then the death toll, combined 500 to 1k max, is a fractuion of what chaim rumkowski, a jew was responsible for. The only reason why there were more attacks is because Germans occupied Poland and Poland had the largest number of Jews anywhere in Europe and as a result camps. If you were in a predicament where you had yo chose between your own life and your families vs a Jewish neighbor you'd probably refuse to help them so you yourself and your fam aren't killed. And still more poles helped Jews than any other nation as evidenced by yad vashem.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #122
I don't see what right they have to complain about Polish people coming in as well.

It's because Poles being white Christians are not a protected class and, thus, easy targets. By repetition, we got trained so well that when somebody yells 'racist' we imagine see a white person being yelled at.
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
21 Jul 2018 #123
Either way I think it comes more from a place of wanting money [presumably for the survivors] than from a place of resentment.

I think the 'presumably' part is important. There are Jewish organisations, particularly in America, who would love to collect this compensation, then would 'supposedly' hand it out to survivors or families of survivors, but whether they actually would is another story.

As for Russia, I can see why you would be resentful of them but I don't really understand what grounds they would have to be resentful towards you

Mostly propaganda by the Russian state. The Russian government strongly dislikes Poland, so they tell their people a bunch of rubbish about how Polish people are, and they believe it.

As for the UK thing, haha, surely you must know you can't criticise ethnic minorities, only white people. Polish fit that bracket, so it's okay to criticise them or even not like them. It isn't racist. Do the same with African immigrants and you're a vile racist bigot.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #124
The American blacks went one step further. They, without turning red if it were possible, declared that blacks cannot ever be racists because they don't have the power.
Ironside 49 | 10,583
21 Jul 2018 #125
The resentment comes from the numbers.

No resentment comes from naturally born selfish a-holes who believe that they are somehow superior..
Ana Lee - | 6
21 Jul 2018 #126
you'd probably refuse to help them so you yourself and your fam aren't killed.

Yeah, I can understand that, tbh I don't think I'd help anyone out myself if I were in that kind of position, and I know that more Poles helped Jews than any other nation, it so happens that I came across an article written about it here about a month ago.

By repetition, we got trained so well that when somebody yells 'racist' we imagine see a white person being yelled at.

Yeah... I know, I hear a lot about SJW ideology from youtube and you can see evidence of it all over western media. My bf thinks it's because history lessons are geared towards teaching kids about their own countries and thus put an emphasis on their own countries wrong doings, as though other nations aren't equally guilty of slavery, imperialism and so on. Over here back when the left were still a thing [and admittedly they pretty much haven't been since 2009 or so] they used to heavily push the idea that Israel is the sole party responsible for the israeli-palestinian conflict and for all the other conflicts we have with our neighbors and for any other issues we have in general. I know it's not quite the same thing but it seems to run along the same lines of "we're the only side that has agency/blame".

WielkiPolak - Mostly propaganda by the Russian state

I see, I didn't know Russian people were still so prone to believing in propaganda done by their government, you would think they would have learned from their own recent history...
Mr Grunwald 25 | 1,717
21 Jul 2018 #127
Most populations are very prone to state owned media as it sets the narrative for the country to follow. The more state run jobs. The more important it is to be updated on it and follow it.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #128
...and I know that more Poles helped Jews than any other nation,...

The data I saw somewhere on the Internet showed that 30,000 Poles were executed by the Germans for aiding Jews. In Western Europe that number was in single digits.
Crow 139 | 8,365
21 Jul 2018 #129
Eh, magnificent >>>

Hava Nagila - Jednego Serca Jednego Ducha 2010

youtu.be/cWPPedsKMUc

Jews officially accepts truth about Slavic (ie Sarmatian) antiquity. Their officials openly speak of Slavs that even back in 500 bc existed as natives in Europe. So, Jews offering their hand for friendly handshake. Let us accept.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,528
21 Jul 2018 #130
No resentment comes from naturally born selfish a-holes who believe that they are somehow superior..

Just another example of how sloppy writing changes the meaning to the exact opposite.
Crow 139 | 8,365
21 Jul 2018 #131
We now (and not only now) need good relations between Poles and Jews. Jews and Slavs greatly influenced each others thru history of our relations that go deep in past, even much deeper past then it was era of first Roman Republic. I salute Slavic-Jewish friendship! Let us show sanity, tolerance and sensibility for each others.

I love this song in Polish, too >>>

Jezus zwyciężył - Jednego Serca Jednego Ducha

youtu.be/6QtZHxcBqhE
OP G (undercover)
21 Jul 2018 #132
Well whether you call it a phobia or anti-polonism, I don't think such a sentiment exists in Israel.

It surely does exist among Jews, seems to be even stronger among US Jews than among Israelis. It seems that around 40-50% of Polonophobic comments I come across at varius internet forums, are written by Jews and that's a shocking ratio given the number of Jews worldwide. Of course it's not that all Jews are Polonophobic, it's rather a matter of vocal minority, same as anit-semites in Poland.

The difference is that when for example a stupid village priest in Poland says that "Jews are greedy" - it hits the headlines and we have to bow our heads in shame, promise it won't happen again and so on. There are tonnes of "studies on anti-semtism in Poland" etc. While I have never heard about any Jewish official admitting that Polonophobia among Jews is any problem. A Jewish dude screaming "screw the Poles, feckers tried to kill my grandmother" can easily get away with it even when it turns out his grandmother had never set her foot in Poland.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
21 Jul 2018 #133
Yeah, I can understand that, tbh I don't think I'd help anyone out myself if I were in that kind of position

Same. Myself and family that's it. And even then it'd probably only be family that I get along with.

I see, I didn't know Russian people were still so prone to believing in propaganda done by their government

The re is a famous Russian saying that goes 'everything is not what it appears.' Russians understand that there's a lot of propaganda. However the West makes it all too easy for them and tons of other countries to make themselves look like an enemy aggressor, illegal occupier with Syria being a prime current example.

Russians understand that there's a lot of spinning but nonetheless they see how putin has transformed Russia from when it was on life support in the 90s to the booms during putin years and current conservative fiscal policies to navigate a down turn. Putin has an 80% approval and that's by us estimates. He'll I don't even live in Russia and I like putin.
Crow 139 | 8,365
5 Aug 2019 #134
I hope Israel and Poland find way to solve their misunderstandings and open path to better relations in the future. I personally respect Jews. They aren`t perfect as non is perfect in this world but Jews are far more trustworthy then any western European nation.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
5 Aug 2019 #135
I hope Israel and Poland find way to solve their misunderstandings

Firstly, you don't really care about Israeli/Polish relations.
Secondly, you don't love Poles or Israelis.
Thirdly, all you are doing is trying to stir things up for your pathetic Serb ambitions.
Don't waste your time.
Nobody will touch Serbs now.
You are too toxic.
Crow 139 | 8,365
5 Aug 2019 #136
Hater. You want to ruin Polish-Jewish dialogue. When you love Poles and Israelis that much why didn`t YOU awake this thread from the black holes of this forums?

Why you doing this?

Hater. Simple, hater.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
5 Aug 2019 #137
I love Poles, for reasons that should be obvious, even to you.
I am also very fond of Jews and am a strong defender of Jews and Israel in other forums.
So, no, wrong again my nutty little Serbian troll......
Crow 139 | 8,365
6 Aug 2019 #138
Long live Jewish-Polish friendship!

p-i

Jews and Slavs to prosper! Go Israel! Go Poland!
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
6 Aug 2019 #139
**** Israel. Almost all of Polands problems past and present are because of the Jews - Soviet invasion, communism, ww2, demands for reparations, etc. If casimir III knew what problems Jews would cause in Poland centuries later I doubt he would've let them in.

After all Poland did for the Jews Israel treats us like typical goyim cattle. Atleast finally the younger generations are waking up to this.
Lyzko 25 | 7,015
6 Aug 2019 #140
The only "problems" the Jews "caused" was simply being unassimilated in a Catholic country!
They sought nobody's death or destruction. Yet they had to live, were therefore forced to
do work well beneath their dignity, heretofore off limits to Christians, such as tax collection
and of course, money lending aka pawnbroking. This sadly created an understandably
negative stereotype in Polish eyes, therefore associating ALL dishonest money changers,
all thievery, with the Jews.

There is to be honest, no other way to look at it. History points down one single path.
Claim this path goes elsewhere is incorrect, tantamount to stating on open forum,
Plaszow is the capital of Poland! Swear up and down six ways to Sunday, it's the WRONG answer!!
Crow 139 | 8,365
6 Aug 2019 #141
If casimir III knew what problems Jews would cause in Poland centuries later I doubt he would've let them in.

Let us open our minds. Who knows, time maybe prove that Jewish presents saved Poland from total assimilation by ``friendly`` Catholic western Europe.

The only "problems" the Jews "caused" was simply being unassimilated in a Catholic country!

Thanks for this remark. I`m not quite familiar with the issues between Poles and Jews and this is interesting to me. It gave me idea that Jews, being in resistance to Rome and Vatican, had interest to support strengthening of native Polish mythology and pre-Christian memory, what as a result made Poles more resilient to direct manipulation by Catholic Church.

So, can you confirm, are there some direct traces of Jewish influence in this matter in history?

I ask because, truly, Poles and Slavs in general often were victims in other sides wars. I mean, Vatican`s hate and hunt on Jews isn`t Polish war.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,625
6 Aug 2019 #142
Right. And of course the Jews being kicked out of over 100 different countries, principalities, city states, etc over the course of 2 millenia was always due to antisemitism, never the Jews fault.

And no Poles associate Jews with subversion, deceit, treachery, etc. You know, the things Jews are taught to excel at from a young age starting in the yeshivas. Poles associate thievery with gypsies.

They sought nobody's death or destruction.

Either you've never read the talmud or more likely are purposely lying to conceal the truth. Typical.

Who knows, time maybe prove that Jewish presents saved Poland from total assimilation by ``friendly`` Catholic western Europe

If that happens it'll only be because they dont want to share dominance of polish media, finance and government with goyim. They're typical Jewish whining and constant kvetching about polish property should be enough for the poles to kick em all out and cut ties with Israel. Only reason why they don't is because they have to balance keeping ties with the Jewnited Snakes of America.
Lyzko 25 | 7,015
6 Aug 2019 #143
Either you've MISread the Talmud, or you don't know your royal ass from your bleedin' elbow about Judaism, bud!!
Miloslaw 6 | 3,027
6 Aug 2019 #144
Jews being kicked out of over 100 different countries, over the course of 2 millenia was always due to antisemitism, never the Jews fault

You ignore the fact that Poland welcomed them when the rest of Europe was antisemic.
And to Poland's benefit.
Why would somebody ignore real history?

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