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What does Poles think of European superstate?


Meathead 5 | 470
28 Jun 2016 #1
What does Poles think of European superstate?

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent's countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged today.

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an "ultimatum".

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

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nothanks - | 640
28 Jun 2016 #2
How is this different from the USSR?
mafketis 24 | 9,174
28 Jun 2016 #3
different

Fewer initials?
iwonadem - | 14
28 Jun 2016 #4
It is very similar, I think. Tendency to reduce freedom of speech, thought, press...to .brainwash you that directive from Brussels are always correct and MUST be followed...

That is why something has to change very soon.
G (undercover)
28 Jun 2016 #5
GIANT SUPERSTATE

It won't be giant at all. If they really push for this madness, It will start from Germany, Austria, Belgium, Holland, Lux, France and Italy. Then they will figure out that Italy is pretty much larger Greece and drop it off, then they will figure out that Lux is a town, not a country, then they will figure out that Guy fecker turned Belgium into the 3rd world islamic state... then Gerries and French will get into conflict over who's in charge of this mess... It would be quite funny to watch If not the fact that likely at some point Gerries will start a war... to save European values or somethin...
jon357 67 | 16,841
28 Jun 2016 #6
A lot of discussion about European integration right now in Poland. That guy with the radio programme about Libertarian politics (usually an interesting commentator) is dead set against, other commentators not so much.
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2016 #7
I think it's a great thing, tge Brits in the EU were constantly slowing things down and not willing to give an inch in the EU parliament.

The big players want them out asap so hopefully we'll see some real progress on an EU level now.

Tricky though, the big boys gotta keep the wee countries happy so they won't want to leave too. I think they'll crucify England in the article 50 negotiations, make an example of them so that others won't want to follow suit.

I'd be optimistic that things will really progress without Britain. France, Germany and one of Spain, Italy or Poland will take lead and solidify the EU now and we'll continue to live in peace and relative prosperity. Sure, what more could we ask for?

A common market and no wars in Europe, that's what the EU was set up for, that's what it's delivered.
G (undercover)
28 Jun 2016 #8
we'll continue to live in peace and relative prosperity

In a paradise of peasants and workers. Brainless fools like you were behind most of totalitarian regimes, your generation of imbeciles enable another one to arise.
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2016 #9
Oh change the record you insufferable bore

You're not even man enough to have a real account here so naff off
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2016 #10
A common market and no wars in Europe, that's what the EU was set up for

That's what it was set up for but inch by inch it has been evolving into a super-state whether individual nations wanted it or not. Now the plan to deprive countries of even more sovereignty -- armed forces, taxes, foreign policy -- will be the EU's undoing. The EU's leftist-liberal elite are so blinded by their PC/multi-culti obsession that they fail to realise THEY WERE THE DIRECT CAUSE OF BREXIT.
jon357 67 | 16,841
28 Jun 2016 #11
A common market and no wars in Europe, that's what the EU was set up for, that's what it's delivered

Exactly. Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity.
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2016 #12
Now the plan to deprive countries of even more sovereignty -- armed forces, taxes, foreign policy -- will be the EU's undoing

Oh, you're using your Polonius name today, cool.

Yea, we'll I'd rather have Merkel in change of my army, taxes and foreign policies that some f!ckwit like Boris Johnson or Party Leader Jaroslaw K to be totally honest. Don't even attempt to show me I'm wrong on this. Bojo is an idiot and the Polish economy is in the toilet since your beloved cult party came to power.

The EU could be as powerful as the US, it would have a proper common market like the US. I dont' see why people wouldn't want that.

The good thing is is that the EU wouldn't be a cesspit of culture & racism like the US is......provided we keep the right-wing nutjobs like yourself in check.

Thankfully, as we've seen in Brexit, rightwingers fall into 2 camps, the old and the uneducated.

The old will be dead in 20 years, thankfully, and the uneducated will never be in positions of power coz they're too stupid to get decent jobs :)

Win-win
nothanks - | 640
28 Jun 2016 #13
I'll just leave this here



Atch 16 | 3,267
28 Jun 2016 #14
This may interest people as it's the text of the actual proposal for a 'united Europe'. Always much better to read the original document than a journalist's interpretation of it:

reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4q240s/frenchgerman_proposal_for_a_european_superstate/?st=ipz9hmxc&sh=f948cd97
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2016 #15
. Always much better to read the original document than a journalist's interpretation of it:

Great, that'll gimme something to chew over when I'm having me dinner

I bet you know who won't be bothered reading it :D

Maybe stick a recipe for flaki in it and he might
Atch 16 | 3,267
28 Jun 2016 #16
I'd rather have Merkel in change of my army,

Would you Smurf? What about Irish neutrality?? Our armed forces number approximately 10,000 and that includes the desk staff. If we were called on to provide troops in war, we'd be wiped out in a week. Ireland is a special case within the EU as we are an island without the vulnerability of land borders. I really wouldn't like to see us lumped in with everyone else.

We have managed to develop a great relationship with the UK since indepdendence and I would like to see us maintain that. We already have the RAF and British Navy on standby if we ever needed them. They would come to our assistance without a doubt. Actually a few months ago there were complaints from some quarters in Ireland about our sovereignty being compromised by this arrangement! So I can't see the Irish people being too happy with Angela Merkel telling us what to do.

Smacznego for lunch by the way and we're still BFFs whatever our political differences :)
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2016 #17
If we were called on to provide troops

If I'm not mistaken, Ireland chose an opt-out with regards to participating in any EU armed forces.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
28 Jun 2016 #18
As far as I know Irish troops are deployed in a peacekeeping role in the Middle East and so on, correct me if I am wrong or out of date.
mafketis 24 | 9,174
28 Jun 2016 #19
Yea, we'll I'd rather have Merkel in change of my army, taxes and foreign policies that some f!ckwit like Boris Johnson or Party Leader Jaroslaw K

What about your borders?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2016 #20
rightwingers fall into 2 camps

And leftwingers fall into two categories: 1) the dimwits that actually naively believe all the mutliculti/mutlisexy slogans and buzzwords, and 2) those who cyncially use the gullible leftist rank and filers to further their own careers.
Atch 16 | 3,267
28 Jun 2016 #21
Polly I don't think that would make a bit of difference to the EU authorities if it came to the crunch. The thing about politics is that they all make up the rules as they go along. We didn't get any special opt-out in the Lisbon Treaty. We come under the same rules as everyone else so we got round it by amending our constitution thus:

The State shall not adopt a decision taken by the European Council to establish a common defence pursuant to Article 42 of the Treaty on European Union where that common defence would include the State.

We're not members of NATO but we are members of the UN peacekeeping forces.
jon357 67 | 16,841
28 Jun 2016 #22
I'd rather have Merkel in change of my army

Indeed. Or Angela Eagle, Dan Jarvis, Nicola Sturgeon, Francois Hollande, either of the Verhofstat brothers...
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
28 Jun 2016 #23
Exactly. Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity.

Yeah, because without blessed EU... what would happen ? Gerries would invade someone again ? So how come putting the same Gerries (as that what "super state" will be) in charge of the whole continent would be so super cool ? You EUnuchs and your logic.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,839
28 Jun 2016 #24
Gerries would invade someone again ?

with the EU, they don't have to ...:D
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
28 Jun 2016 #25
Francois Hollande, either of the Verhofstat brothers...

Ver dude that turned Belgium into the 3rd world country ? What's working there ? Recently they are worried their nuclear power plant might explode. Hollande is equelly useless. What you strange dudes don't get is once there was a democratic super state (or would that be a lefty dictatorship ?) more likely than any of those clowns, Orban would win an elections there. Then what ? You nutters would likely start a civil war against him. It's the same again and again, you bolsheviks come up with "freedom, peace, prosperity" and in the end war and destruction, unfortunately that's likely what we are going to see again.
jon357 67 | 16,841
28 Jun 2016 #26
Your politically Illiterate blustering, Gregorz, as usual doesn't alter one single word of the truth, namely:

Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161
28 Jun 2016 #27
Your politically Illiterate blustering, Gregorz, as usual doesn't alter one single word of the truth, namely: Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity

Huh ? Jesus, dude leaving aside Balkan wars or that we have a friggin war in Ukraine the moment we speak, "wars" between developed countries are just yesterday's story with or without EU. They simply cost too much. You could as "well" credit so called "global warming" for "Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity". I'm sorry to say that but you people are idiots.

with the EU, they don't have to ...:D

True. They control the whole thing. So who in the end benefit from that thing ? Slovenia... ? Who's pushing for "super state" and why ?
smurf 39 | 1,981
28 Jun 2016 #28
Would you Smurf?

Compared to Bojo and JK, yea.

I'd never give up Irish neutrality, I'm a proud coward and by Jaysus if a war ever kicks off I'm way off to Eire with me passport and my kids' passports too :)

: 1) the dimwits that actually naively believe all the mutliculti/mutlisexy slogans and buzzwords, and 2) those who cyncially use the gullible leftist rank and filers to further their own careers.

Blah blah blah, look at me I use a thesaurus to beef up my stupid arguments with big words coz I don't really have anything concrete to say

Try harder, your arguments are crap.

So I can't see the Irish people being too happy with Angela Merkel telling us what to do.

But I was only comparing Bojo and JK, not Ireland....but then again, I'd take Angela over Enda any day of the week. He's been a terrible leader imo.

What about your borders?

No borders, they aren't working. Europe had until WWI totally open borders. It worked fine until then. Everything started to go wrong once the idea of 'nation states' took hold after WWI

A return to complete freedom of movement. But, not allowing access to benefits until they've lived in a new state for a minimun of 5 years.

Indeed many economists have been wanted this for a long, long time

Will we see full villages from Romania or Slovakia upping sticks and moving to Huddersfield? No, why? Coz Huddersfiled is a sh!thole and the vast majority of people living in Europe are happy where they are and will remain there.

Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity

Amen brother

"wars" between developed countries are just yesterday's story with or without EU

And I suppose you think American doesn't go to war for the purpose of making money for private industry? DOn't be codding yourself boy.

The EU wants to become prosperous the honest way, no wars and we do it together.
Small-minded gobdaws cannot see that becasue they're too obsessed with remaining different and not working together.
PiS voters for example
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2016 #29
Europe's longest period of peace and prosperity

With the exception of the Balkan wars, the Anschlu├č of Crimea and the hybrid war against Ukraine. Prosperity was rather one-sided -- huge distance between Germany and Sweden as compared to Bulagria and Albania.
jon357 67 | 16,841
28 Jun 2016 #30
Germany and Sweden as compared to Bulagria and Albania.

That's a rather silly comment, since one just joined Europe and another isn't a member. Nor are Ukraine and Russia. A very weak argument as usual, Po, and as usual laden with untruths.

Prosperity

Any figures to show that? No.


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