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Do Poles take Kaczynski seriously!?


Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #1
I am writing this as a concerned Pole living abroad who believes Polish democracy is under threat from the madman Kaczynski. since the Smolensk tragedy, Kaczynski has become increasingly antagonistic to the ruling PO govnt. and refuses to accept the democratic will of the people by not recognizing Komorowski as President. The hypocrite has since held hate filled torch rallies

(shades of Germany 1932) in Warsaw calling an end to the current govnt. He unashamedly accuses the current govnt of being morally responsible for the smolensk tragedy and more recently the killing of a PiS politician. Someone please tell me he is just a running joke in Poland and that he has no credibility what so ever.
1jola 14 | 1,880    
21 Oct 2010  #2
What we don't take seriously is motivated first posts.

Polish democracy is under threat from the madman Kaczynski.

The hypocrite has since held hate filled torch rallies
(shades of Germany 1932) in Warsaw calling an end to the current govnt.

Where do you get your information, Pravda?
Torq 26 | 2,362    
21 Oct 2010  #3
Or Gazeta Aborcza (same thing really.)
AdamKadmon 2 | 508    
21 Oct 2010  #4
Pravda

I've checked Pravda Online. Nothing about Kaczyński.
alexw68    
21 Oct 2010  #5
Polish democracy is under threat from the madman Kaczynski

Motivated first post this may be, but it pales in comparison with JK's own words (all on the public record) on Smolensk and the Lodz tragedy. In fact, substitute Komorowski for Kaczynski in the above and you have one of the more sober themes of JK's recent rantings.

I put it to you that his public behaviour ill befits a statesman, and whatever the deficiencies of his opponents his contribution to Polish political culture is profoundly negative. There is a case to answer here, come on.
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #6
What we don't take seriously is motivated first posts.

This is not politicaly motivated. I dnt live in Poland and only recently took up an interest in Polish politics, and this is an objective unbiased view. I am seriously concerned, I mean surly you people can see the the guy is not mentally stable!

If Polish people consider Kaczynski's rants as credible politics, then i am very disappointed embarrassed.
Harry    
21 Oct 2010  #7
he is just a running joke in Poland

Some people take him seriously but that number is getting smaller and smaller by the day. To most people he is too irrelevant to even be a joke.
Torq 26 | 2,362    
21 Oct 2010  #8
I don't agree with Kaczyński on many matters and I was never a great fan of PiS government
when they were in power. However, when I look today at the kind of people and media that
constantly attack Kaczyński, I can't help but feel some sympathy for the man.

What is also interesting is that for mainstream media in Poland such problems as unemployment,
constantly rising debt, exodus of young people, pension system bound to fall to pieces etc. etc.
practically don't exist. It's only "Kaczyński this", "Kaczyński that" blah blah blah yadda yadda
yadda
mafketis 17 | 6,756    
21 Oct 2010  #9
He unashamedly accuses the current govnt of being morally responsible for the smolensk tragedy

That's an understatement. During the presidential campaign he was unusuallyt subdued and some people thought he'd changed and would be more diplomatic in the future. It later came out that he was drugged up at the time (this from Jadwiga Staniszkis, usually a Kaczynski supporter).

Since coming off those drugs (and starting new ones?) he's all but openly accused Tusk and Komorowski of actually planning the crash (or knowing it would happen). That's the only way to interpret some of the things he's said.

There's a core PiS constituency that will support him no matter what (because who else do they have?) but that's not enough for PiS to get back into power. But nothig they're doing now will get the middle of the road voters they need. Some younger members of PiS have tried to tone down the rhetoric but they get marginalized or kicked out for their efforts.

It's sad, really. Poland needs some kind of effective opposition but Kaczynski is no longer that. Bu
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #10
It's only "Kaczyński this", "Kaczyński that" blah blah blah yadda yadda

well its good to hear the media hold him to account for what he says. However I have to question ur sympathy for him. The man brings it on himself. After the death of his brother there was plenty of sympathy for him, and respect. Its a fair effort on his behalf to change all that
alexw68    
21 Oct 2010  #11
It's only "Kaczyński this", "Kaczyński that" blah blah blah yadda yadda

Perhaps. But when it comes to the media, JK is an equal partner in that particular symbiosis (who calls the press conferences? TVN?) - and of late, most of the bruises are self-inflicted.
Bolle 1 | 147    
21 Oct 2010  #12
Jarek just wants a huge monument to be built for his brother on the grounds of the presidential palace to honour the memory of this [sarcasm] great political leader [/sarcasm]. Laying him to rest in wawel was not enough.
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #13
Bolle
Wawel is a large place, you do after all need a place to take a seat and rest while touring. I think his grave will be ideal for that, because it has no other use in Wawel.
Torq 26 | 2,362    
21 Oct 2010  #14
you do after all need a place to take a seat and rest while touring. I think his grave will be ideal for that

Where are you from? Is it a custom in your country to sit on people's graves?
Interesting. Don't do this when in Poland though - you would be considered
a complete and utter sickfu*ck if you did.

Fascinating how many different cultures and customs there are in the world.
So where are you from, Polonia1?
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #15
Im from Poland. And its a Polish custom to have our heros and our greats laid to rest in wawel. Not nobodies.................also it was meant as a joke, dnt take it so seriously
Ironside 47 | 9,499    
21 Oct 2010  #16
could be offensive to some ppl.

really ? don't say ? how a very oversensitive of them !

But the fact remains he should not have been buried at wawel.

let digg him up ! what the heck ! wawel for Jaruzelski !
delphiandomine 85 | 17,652    
21 Oct 2010  #17
Someone please tell me he is just a running joke in Poland and that he has no credibility what so ever.

He hasn't got a chance of getting elected, however, he has a core support of around 20% of the population. Most of them (as can be seen from the recent election figures) are badly educated older people from Poland B. Interestingly, he enjoys heavy support from the American Polonia, one of only two places where he won in the recent election.

From my perspective, he'll be finished after the next election. His mental decline is obvious to everyone, his party appears to be paying lip service to him (but not true loyalty).

As marketis says, there's a need for a good opposition party in Poland. PiS are capable of being this (their Catholic-Socialist values are *very* electable) - but with Kaczynski at the helm, they haven't got a chance. Funnily enough, his Presidential campaign was very well fought - to paraphrase, "Kaczynski with a human face" had a serious chance of winning the next elections. But he's destroyed that, and he seems to be hell-bent on scoring own goals repeatedly.

He appears to be in simple denial about what's happened - he's lost power, he has no twin to manipulate and his party isn't strong enough to win.
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #18
Thanks for that analysis..... As long as he doesn't get elected we can all breath a sigh of relief, I agree it really is a pity their isn't a respectable opposition. Thankfully from my perspective we have a good government.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,652    
21 Oct 2010  #19
He won't get elected, that much is certain. PiS as a party are electable, but not with Kaczynski at the helm. He's done too much damage now to change - people were willing to give him a second chance after Smolensk, but with the latest display of hysteria from him, he's just hurt his own reputation even more.

People seem to be sick of "EVIL RUSSIA, EVIL GERMANY" and so on - they just want to make money.
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #20
I'm not sure if you're a Polish patriot

I thought you would have guessed by my opposition towards having Kaczynski buried at wawel...anyway Polish culture and history are a great passion of mine. Its good to hear ur a Polish patriot as well
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,544    
21 Oct 2010  #21
Apparently not great enough for you to live in Poland, right? Or did I misunderstand your first post and you do actually live in Poland?

Ey ey ey! Maybe he has the same problem as me? ;P
Stuck in that... You all know what...

I am writing this as a concerned Pole living abroad who believes Polish democracy is under threat from the madman Kaczynski.

Hahhhahahaha! His brother was the guy to govern not him!
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #22
Apparently not great enough for you to live in Poland

No I dnt. But not my choice!!......I jst finished school, so i dnt much options, im studying full time atm and have apart time job as well for the sole purpose of earning enough so i can visit Poland one more time.
Torq 26 | 2,362    
21 Oct 2010  #23
Oh, that's OK then. I'm confident that, as a Polish patriot, you will come and settle in Poland
after you finish your studies. I would find it very dissapointing if such a great Polish patriot
as yourself, chose to remain abroad and permanently joined the ranks of Plastic Poles.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
21 Oct 2010  #24
Do Poles take Kaczynski seriously!?

Poland needs a young energetic politician to lead it, not old commies who think of the past too much and are corrupted, maybe Wojciech Olejniczak? just a suggestion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Olejniczak
OP Polonia1 3 | 53    
21 Oct 2010  #25
Poland needs a young energetic politician to lead it, not old commies who think of the past too much and are corrupted, maybe Wojciech Olejniczak? just a suggestion[/quote]

Yeah I agree, although I haven't heard of Olejniczak to be honest, he sounds promising though. Im sure he would make a better opposition then Kaczynski thats for sure.
pgtx 29 | 3,160    
21 Oct 2010  #26
why he didn't accept the meeting invitation with the president and other party leaders... i think a dialogue is needed in today's situation in PL and its government... i don't understand him... he doesn't behave in a diplomatic, sane way... he's just out there in his own world, like a child, not a man and a leader...
Trevek 26 | 1,703    
21 Oct 2010  #27
he's just out there in his own world, like a child,

Well, remember his brother's treatment of Tusk when the inauguration as PM took place? mega sulk and tossed teddies all round.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,652    
22 Oct 2010  #28
i think a dialogue is needed in today's situation in PL and its government... i don't understand him... he doesn't behave in a diplomatic, sane way...

I think it's all because he genuinely believes that he has been "wronged" and that he is the rightful leader of Poland, not Tusk and Komorowski. He does seem in his speeches to be on the verge of declaring himself King of Poland - and make no bones about it, if he could impose martial law tomorrow, he would.

I don't even notice the usual suspects defending him anymore - which sounds like even they accept that he's the wrong man to lead Poland.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,378    
22 Oct 2010  #29
I think as per usual Deph has got it 100% correct,
Ironside 47 | 9,499    
23 Oct 2010  #30
So, the both of you should stop worry and start to celebrate !
You seems to be anxious, and set on this looser - why bother?


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