Will many Poles migrate to Germany in May 2011 (after opening labor market)?

Very true. For some reason Poles are a contradiction, independent but needy.

I really do wonder what kind of people you were hanging out with, as anyone that wanted to work in Germany already was. It's not a big secret that Poles were simply opening up their own businesses (and thus - no work permit needed) in Poland and merely invoicing a German company. I have a friend who was doing just that with Nokia.

The formal opening of the market was just that, a formality. Anyone who wanted to work abroad was working - they certainly weren't waiting for the labour market to open in Germany/Austria. If they were, it's unlikely that they were actually going to move, given the ease of getting round the law.


Oh yes. There must be something done about this, along with the vast amount of women who work for a couple of years and then quit working because of some sniffling brats that need looking after. When you think about how much money is wasted on educating people who don't do anything in return - it's frightening.


The Erasmus programme is one huge benefit, for instance.

What are the historical facts you've presented that I've done anything but agree with? I believe we disagree on the conclusions to arrive at but I just don't see where we've disagreed on history. If anything those historical facts prove my conclusions to be the sensible ones-- don't look to your neighbors for welfare as they've no history of doing anything but the opposite!

I would agree with the above, Germany will always see Poland as the buffer zone to the East, As the EAEC, forms closer ties from 2012 onwards, it will present fresh challenges for the EU and Nato.

So now that we do agree on history can we agree it's long overdue that Polish leaders look after the people who they are entrusted to represent?

That seems to have been the historical problem as well, too often Polish leaders have been bought off by Germans or Russians. I'd like to see the top thinkers given great incentives to stay where they come from and prosper here, hopefully with families of smart people ready to further multiply:)

The above is considered to be true, the main issue, are the Polish decision makers prepared to change and put national interests before their own. Most independently wealthy Poles, have a second bolt hole outside of Poland. The Periods between WW1 and the start WW2 was 21 years, between end of WW2 and the end of the cold war 44 years. Poles are thinking why will this time be any different, make as much as you can, as quickly as you can,secure your own future before that of anyone else or the countries, this is the problem faced by Poland today.

That is as succinct as I've ever seen it written, I guess I'd have to completely agree with what you wrote as well. When such thinking permeates into that of the "leaders" and those supposed to govern, then people have to say "hey, these fcukers are screwing me over- I have less potential to have more because they're looking after themselves and not what we've elected them to do."