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Poland's young voters turning to the right - DW news


Spike31 3 | 2,175
12 Feb 2019 #91
We are seeing German union and soldarity here.....and they want to run Europe???

I like it cause I can finally see some real political dispute in Germany. It wasn't so for the last 18 years since Merkel started to rule. And if it leads to dissolution of the EU so much for the better.

We also sell to Germany:

If the economic pendulum swing in our favor and export/import structure improve so much for the better. But that doesn't mean that we should stop building a competing industrial and economic centre and rely mostly on one located in Germany. That's a short sighted policy.

Industrial centres benefits the most from the exchange no matter what and it also has a competitive edge and can use an economy of scale to its benefit. And where's the big money, there's a political and "soft" power.

No need to mention that when there's a economical crisis they cut the costs to ensure its own survival at a cost of suppliers.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
12 Feb 2019 #92
And if it leads to dissolution of the EU so much for the better.

I really do look forward to seeing how Poland can win against a strong new federation based on France and Germany ruling the show with a multitude of smaller countries supporting them.

we should stop building a competing industrial and economic centre and rely mostly on one located in Germany. That's a short sighted policy.

Poland isn't building anything of the sort. It's mostly relying on state-owned monopolies to screw the citizens over (see the profits of Orlen or Lotos, both of which could be used to reduce fuel prices for Polish drivers) while heavily discouraging genuine entrepreneurship.

Poland's economy is based on two pillars right now: outsourcing (which won't last forever) and using cheap labour to build stuff for foreign companies.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,912
12 Feb 2019 #93
And if it leads to dissolution of the EU so much for the better.

Agreed 100%.
Delph can prattle on all he wants with his pan european BS,but the end is coming.
We have all had enough of it.

a strong new federation based on France and Germany ruling the show

Less of the strong and less of France.....it is all about Germany....
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
12 Feb 2019 #94
We have all had enough of it.

Who is "we all"?

Show me a country where a majority is against the EU!

And why are you always so negative???? ;)
Miloslaw 14 | 4,912
12 Feb 2019 #95
Show me a country where a majority is against the EU!

The UK.
There is absolutely nothing positive to say about The EU.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
12 Feb 2019 #96
The UK

Heh:) Not even there anymore:

Latest Brexit poll shows UK would now vote to remain as 'crossover day' looms

euronews.com/2019/01/18/latest-brexit-poll-shows-uk-would-now-vote-to-remain-as-crossover-day-looms

There is no country in Europe where a majority is against the EU. A fact also the populists have to accept...that's why there won't be any break-up, not even with extremist parties ruling, mark my words!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
12 Feb 2019 #97
Delph can prattle on all he wants with his pan european BS,but the end is coming.

Which means Poland is in a terrible situation. Poland is relying heavily on freedom of movement, services and goods - without that, Poland has no competitive advantage. Polish farmers will struggle without European funds, while factories and outsourced back offices will all relocate to countries that remain within the core European zone.

The EU isn't going to go away and be replaced by some fantasy construct. It's going to come back as a revamped Franco-German union where the benefits are dependent on agreeing to deep political integration. Poland and Poles will always want German products, but Germans can build stuff wherever they get the most generous deal.

Imagine that the AfD take power in Germany. Why would they want anything other than a one-sided deal with Poland? Poland needs the jobs, after all.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
12 Feb 2019 #98
Imagine that Milo...a super strong neighbour, economially dominating, in alliance with Russia, minus the EU support funds and a veto in Brussels to make itself heard...yeah...what a future!
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138
12 Feb 2019 #99
And why are you always so negative???? ;)

It's because so many of us wake up in cold sweat about the poison the German guilt-driven ruling class allowed in and because those who hate it are realizing the horrible danger and the fear that a loss of culture and national identity brings to the kitchen tables where, as in Poland, that identity was in a grave for a very long time. That BMW goes only so far to forget one's own history.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
12 Feb 2019 #100
Before he answers I will.

Better not...it's a Milo-BB-thing....he knows what I mean, you don't.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,912
12 Feb 2019 #101
There is no country in Europe where a majority is against the EU

Except The UK.....the first of many.....The EU is dead....mark my words....
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,342
12 Feb 2019 #102
Okay...lets meet here in 10 years and see what has broken up till then, the UK or the EU....:)
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,846
13 Feb 2019 #103
There is no country in Europe where a majority is against the EU

Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, Slovakia, near majority in Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Croatia and now even France as of recent...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism#/media/File:Poll_about_remaining_or_leaving_EU_(2018).svg

EU isn't all that popular amongst citizens in numerous countries, don't kid yourself.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism#Euroscepticism_in_the_EU_member_states

In several countries like Czech Rep only 25% of people are satisfied with the EU.

This experiment will end if the liberals in the EU don't shape up and start caring about Europeans instead of coddling turd worlders to the tune of tens of billions a year. People are getting sick and tired of that **** and the totally undemocratic way that the EU rules. Citizens don't even have a say in how EC leaders are elected. It's pathetic. At the very least I hope that Poles wise up once they have to start paying money into the system. It's best to get out now while we've received billions from the suckers in the west to fix up our sidewalks and paint some gymnasiums.

express.co.uk/news/world/873266/Brexit-Europe-map-Italy-Ireland-Greece-France-EU
No woinder Italy has the lowest approval ratings. If I were Italian I'd be furious at the EU for all the migrants they allowed in thanks to Merkel's come one come all message to the residents of every **** hole in the world - without any say whether they should even be letting these people in and barely any money from Germany despite them being mostly responsible for the crisis by inviting people in and giving them apartments, food, money and all sorts of other ****. And people wonder why dudes like Salvini are so popular and EU approval so low...
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138
13 Feb 2019 #104
Citizens don't even have a say in how EC leaders are elected.

Slaves never do. Masters never ask.
Weimarer 7 | 414
13 Feb 2019 #105
@Bratwurst Boy

The EU changes. It gets weaker by the day. The liberals are pushed back and it basicly becomes a lose group like the old EG. I think thats ok. The EU has no base and there is no common identity.


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