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Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland


GrzegorzK
31 May 2011 #121
I agree with CROW.. this is great opportunity for Poland and northern slavic countries as well...ukraine, belarus, czech, slovakia... at one point we were all one country so why not re-unite again... at least militarrily and economically... why not form our own union the EEU, the Eastern European Union - ukraine, czech, slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Etc. we would be a force to be reckoned with. DOWN WITH BRUSSELS, GO WARSAW

This has been long awaited, Poland is finally back on the right track after 100 years of wars, invasions and persecutions. RESTORE THE POLISH LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH AND RESTORE POLAND AS THE WORLD SUPERPOWER!!!

All these EU supporters are gonna feel stupid in a few years when the currency takes and all countries part of eu currency will go down.. Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal... they are all laden with debt and it will bring whole Euro value down.. and only power left standing will be POLISH ZLOTY
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
31 May 2011 #122
All these EU supporters are gonna feel stupid in a few years when the currency takes and all countries part of eu currency will go down.. Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal... they are all laden with debt and it will bring whole Euro value down.. and only power left standing will be POLISH ZLOTY

You do realise that the Zloty has more or less shadowed the Euro (and before that, the DM) since 1995 or so? If the Euro collapses, so will the Zloty. The pain in Europe was seen in the value of the Zloty - simply put, if there's a crisis in the Euro, people aren't going to hurry to put their money into a weak currency like the Zloty.
GrzegorzK
31 May 2011 #123
The zloty will never be EURO... Poles won't let that happen, we have too much pride in our country. Sorry to let you down.. but the truth hurts buddy.

You should realize this - POLSKA GOROM.
Crow 137 | 7,756
31 May 2011 #124
RESTORE THE POLISH LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH AND RESTORE POLAND AS THE WORLD SUPERPOWER!!!

God bless your words!

Regards from Novi Sad, Serbia of Racowie
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
31 May 2011 #125
The zloty will never be EURO... Poles won't let that happen, we have too much pride in our country. Sorry to let you down.. but the truth hurts buddy.

Tough sh1t. Poland has already agreed to it.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
1 Jun 2011 #126
The zloty will never be EURO... Poles won't let that happen, we have too much pride in our country. Sorry to let you down.. but the truth hurts buddy.

Sorry to burst your little American bubble (your country? you abandoned it years ago, you traitorous swine) - but Poland has no choice in the matter.
OP boletus 30 | 1,366
1 Jun 2011 #127
Poland has no choice in the matter

23rd May 2011

Polish Finance Minister Jan Vincent-Rostowski told journalists last week he was uncertain whether Poland would enter the euro zone by 2019, an apparent reversal of Warsaw's previous plan to join the currency bloc sometime between 2014 and 2016.

wbj.pl/article-54654-stratfor-polands-continued-hesitation-over-euro-zone-entry.html

Countries like Poland that once clamored for euro membership will keep their distance. And the Brits will say, "I told you so."
In fact, they already are. Here's what Prime Minister David Cameron told me earlier this year: "I think we were right not to join, and, while I'm prime minister, we will not join."

globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/31/what-in-the-world-trouble-in-the-eurozone/
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
1 Jun 2011 #128
Polish Finance Minister Jan Vincent-Rostowski told journalists last week he was uncertain whether Poland would enter the euro zone by 2019, an apparent reversal of Warsaw’s previous plan to join the currency bloc sometime between 2014 and 2016.

We'll soon see how much patience Brussels has with Poland and the other non-Euro countries, especially once Latvia and Lithuania join. The EU has made it clear on numerous occasions that while Sweden's non compliance is tolerated because their citizens didn't get a vote on Euro membership - no such provision applies for the new EU countries.

But it's moot anyway - anyone who knows anything about forex knows that the PLN is pretty much linked to the fortunes of the Euro anyway.

Countries like Poland that once clamored for euro membership will keep their distance. And the Brits will say, "I told you so." In fact, they already are. Here's what Prime Minister David Cameron told me earlier this year: "I think we were right not to join, and, while I'm prime minister, we will not join."

The UK cannot be compared to Poland - the UK and Denmark have opt-outs from Euro membership.
Harry
1 Jun 2011 #129
we have too much pride in our country.

Poland isn't your country; the USA is.
Crow 137 | 7,756
1 Jun 2011 #130
Tough sh1t. Poland has already agreed to it.

why Poland agree with everything that coming from EU? Why?

Poland isn't your country; the USA is.

USA is country of native Americans
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
1 Jun 2011 #131
why Poland agree with everything that coming from EU? Why?

A wise question. The answer is simple - because most people here are happy with that - few feel otherwise.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
1 Jun 2011 #132
Even Serbia complies with EU-wishes...see Mladic extraction to the Hague.....and that country isn't even in the EU! ;)
Crow 137 | 7,756
1 Jun 2011 #133
Serbia is EU`s protectorate and under NATO occupation. On the other side, Poland is considered to be independent. But, it isn`t independent as we actually see.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
1 Jun 2011 #134
Shouldn't you be outside then...doing some guerilla fighting or so??? When you can't be arsed to become active in the resistance why do you expect it from Poles, Russians or other Slavs?

(And no, being big mouthed on some internet board does NOT count!)
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
1 Jun 2011 #135
ukraine, czech, slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Etc. we would be a force to be reckoned with. DOWN WITH BRUSSELS, GO WARSAW

to quote the kid from the simpsons, " Hah Hah! "

RESTORE POLAND AS THE WORLD SUPERPOWER!!!

Huh? To restore,doesnt that imply that Poland was once a world power? In which spacial dimension or episode of Dr Who was that then?
sascha 1 | 826
1 Jun 2011 #136
Serbia is EU`s protectorate and under NATO occupation.

Not only Serbia. Quite a lot of the planet is. In Europe lots of countries, especially those 'small' ones who just joined the 'table'.:)

Shouldn't you be outside then...doing some guerilla fighting or so??? When you can't be arsed to become active in the resistance why do you expect it from Poles, Russians or other Slavs?

Classic bs comment. No content.

A wise question. The answer is simple - because most people here are happy with that - few feel otherwise.

Brainwsh accomplished then, he? Nice.
GrzegorzK
1 Jun 2011 #137
WEll sorry to burst your bubble... and ruin your day.. but Poland says the SOONEST they will adopt the euro is 2019... coming from Donald Tusk and 2015 was given by Komorowski.. but that was to quell the media. And these are pro Euro gusy.
OP boletus 30 | 1,366
2 Jun 2011 #138
Translated by boletus

Meeting of Polish and Ukrainian chiefs of general staff

Chief of General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces Gen. Hryhorii Pedchenko is on an official visit to Poland. During the Polish-Ukrainian bilateral talks, on June the 1st, the current progress on creation of a multinational Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian brigade was assessed. The Polish side presented the process of professionalization and transformation of Polish Armed Forces. They also talked about the involvement of armed forces of both countries into many aspects of security of UEFA Euro 2012 tournament, including their plans for creation of a mutual system of airspace safety.

They also discussed cooperation at the meetings of the Visegrad Group, and they talked about international military exercises with participation of Ukraine Armed Forces.

Thank you for your excellent welcome of the Ukrainian delegation and for the openness with which we were able to review virtually all areas of our mutual military cooperation. I stress that there are no issues impeding the bilateral relations between Poland - our main partner - and Ukraine - said Lieutenant General Pedchenko. He noted that he appreciates the fact that he had been given a fair opportunity to talk with Polish politicians, particularly during the period of extensive reforms that we intend to conduct in accordance with European standards. Our main role - he added - is to provide a solid basis for future agreements, as it currently takes place during the work on formation of the Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian brigade.

Chief of General Staff of Ukrainian Armed Forces will also meet with Chief of the National Security Bureau Stanisław Koziej, Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on National Defence Stanislaw Wziątek and Minister of National Defence Bogdan Klich. At the end of his trip to Poland he will pay a visit to the 3rd Mechanized Brigade in Lublin.

source in Polish: polska-zbrojna.pl

Deep cooperation among EU member states on defence remains highly sensitive, with governments reluctant to build joint units
In the last week meeting of EU defence ministers a question of doing more with less, in this period of economic crisis, was answered by "pooling and sharing" - including joint development and procurement of weapons and partial integration of European militaries.

The EU can also give member states incentives to enter into permanent collaboration. Its best tool is the EU "battle groups": multinational, 1,500-strong units that are prepared, on a six-month basis, to deploy rapidly in and around Europe. While their primary raison d'être has been to give the EU the ability to quickly respond to crises, it was also hoped that the battle groups would encourage governments to build permanent joint units.

But this did not work that well: Countries join their forces for six months and then they go their own separate ways.

The EU should adopt recent Polish proposals that the battle groups should always be composed of the same states, and that they should be on rotation on a predictable schedule, for example every three years. This would give the member-states reasons to maintain close long-term cooperation with partners in the battle group, and possibly to pool their units on a permanent basis, not just for the duration of the rotation.

English language source: ceskapozice.cz/en/news/foreign-affairs/eu-ministers-'pool-share'-tackle-defense-austerity
Crow 137 | 7,756
4 Jun 2011 #139
i clearly see what would happen in time that is in front of us. i understand why Russia didn`t save Serbians from direct NATO attack in 1999. If Russia saved us Serbs, Poles wouldn`t understand. That way, on the long run, Russia actually wouldn`t save us but just prolong our agony and agony of Poles, too. So, Russia hesitated. Now, its up to Poles to saving itself, support us Serbs. Problem is that Poles first have to defeat their own fears, to defeat them or to die in silence giving up from itself. Problem is that Poles have to confront their so called friends. Are they capable for this, in this gambling for all or for nothing?

but, i am sure, in a less then 15 years, Poles and Serbs would be in the same alliance. If it would be NATO or EU, it would be our mutual end. But, if it may be Visegrad alliance, free from NATO/EU chains, maybe, just maybe, we have chance.

SLAVA!
OP boletus 30 | 1,366
6 Jun 2011 #140
Director for military programs in Razumkov Center, Mykola SUNHUROVSKY has been asked about reforms in Ukrainian Army.

If we have chosen to be a nonaligned country, we have to say exactly who we cooperate with and in which areas. They first announce the concept, and then it turns out that it's necessary to go to Russia first. That is why I'm afraid that the reform of the Armed Forces won't happen. If they learn how to do it from Russia, they'd better learn how not to do it. The Russians admit that their reforms have led to a decline of the Armed Forces and they are going to follow the Visegrad countries' experience (..). Why should Ukraine learn from Russia if we can learn from the Visegrad Four?

I can tell you that if we hadn't needed to calm Russia down we wouldn't have needed any claims about being a nonaligned country. Our cooperation is not intense enough to be able to join the Alliance, but it's enough to maintain our partnership with it.

day.kiev.ua/210133
Crow 137 | 7,756
7 Jun 2011 #141
official portal of the Visegrad Group >>>

visegradgroup.eu

NATO already looks ridiculous to me and EU is very close to be joke. V4 is the best thing. Poland coming to itself and i fell that Poland strengthen

The End of NATO? Visegrad Group Forms

robinsontalkingpoints.blogspot.com/2011/05/end-of-nato-visegrad-group-forms.html

V401

The formation of the Visegrad group is, in a way, heartening, as it shows individual countries forming alliances to meet specific threats, and not having to depend on the US to save them. For this old Cold Warrior, it's sad to see NATO coming to an end, but it's now an alliance without an enemy. Hard to justify. The US needs to approach things more like the Visegrad group, forming alliances with good friends for good reasons.

any good news? some fresh comments?

people, did you heard for any good news about our Slavic cause? Here on Balkan, in deep sh**, we Serbs have certain problems,... Greater Shiftaria (Albania) etc. You know, we are under pressure and little help could mean much to us. So please, when Visegrad Alliance move to help us, be so kind to provide information. Thanks in advance

Regards
OP boletus 30 | 1,366
12 Jun 2011 #142
Oh, Visegrad Four representatives still meet, talk, pursue diplomatic tasks and cooperate in various forms but no significant event happened recently worthy to report here. On the other hand the calendar of cultural events funded by International Visegrad Fund is so exhaustive that it would deserve a separate topic. [The Fund is the only one active institution of V4 so far. It has an annual budget of EUR 5 million. It awards grants, scholarships and artist residencies]. So let's stick to V4 proper. Since you are so hungry for any news, Crow, here are few tidbits:

June 6, 2011 - Meeting of foreign ministers of V4 + Japan. The topics included:
+ Overcoming the Great East Japan Earthquake and Enhancing of Nuclear Safety
+ V4+Japan Dialogue and Cooperation: Promoting and deepening partnership
+ European Union - Japan: Strengthening bonds of friendship and cooperation
+ Reform of the United Nations Security Council

See: kormany.hu/download/8/fe/30000/v4_japan_joint_press_statement.pdf

June 7, 2011 - The conference "Visegrad Personalities" was held in Copenhagen, Denmark to pay tribute to four personalities who were involved in the process of demolishing the Iron Curtain: Gieremek, Dubcek, Dinstbier, Antall

June 10, 2011 - Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg visited Poland to discuss - among other issues - bilateral cooperation in exploring and extracting natural resources. There are plans to construct Skandel gas pipe and North-South gas axis that Visegrád Group and cooperating countries are willing to open.

June 16, 2011 - Planned meeting of V4 prime ministers
Slovakian Presidency of V4 expires on June 30 and the baton will be passed on Czech Republic. This is a good time to look back and think about future directions. Yes, Balkans will be an important topics.

The prime ministers will also hold talks on V4 cooperation with the Eastern Partnership countries, they will evaluate the Hungarian presidency of the EU and discuss the EU financial framework for 2014 - 2020. Other topics to be discussed are - the EU enlargement and cooperation among V4 nation's memory institutes.

vlada.gov.sk/24107/

June 16, 2011- Institute of World Policy will present a policy paper "Scenarios for the Development of the Transnistria Conflict. Challenges to European Security" in Warsaw.

The project was supported by the International Visegrad Fund and the Black Sea Trust, a project of the German Marshall Fund of the United States. It was implemented in partnership with the leading analytical institutions from the Visegrad Group states: Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

Crow 137 | 7,756
16 Jun 2011 #143
Visegrad Group/Alliance sound to me far more serious then EU or NATO
sascha 1 | 826
16 Jun 2011 #144
not important at all. the move and hopefully living that alliance will be much more important and of course 'serious'...
Crow 137 | 7,756
16 Jun 2011 #145
i have hope. You know, i live in a region where Slavs are under heavy pressure of Turkish and German neo-expansionism. All my hopes goes to Poland and New Commonwealth or to say- Visegrad Alliance
GrzegorzK
16 Jun 2011 #146
Would be nice to see visegrad 4 develop not only into military and security alliance, but maybe also an independant union or commonwealth allow free trade and free travel for citizens... I think this would benefit all countries involved and free them from economic dependance on EU and NATO. This should also be an economic partnershp is what i'm trying to say.
Crow 137 | 7,756
16 Jun 2011 #147
exactly.

BDW, right in this moment, in Serbia on Novi Sad local TV station- MOST, Milovan Drecun, Serbia`s most prominent geo-political expert speaks about rise of the Visegrad Group and downfall of NATO. Serbia more and more focus its attention on Poland, i can tell you that one.
Palivec - | 380
16 Jun 2011 #148
Would be nice to see visegrad 4 develop not only into military and security alliance, but maybe also an independant union or commonwealth allow free trade and free travel for citizens... I think this would benefit all countries involved and free them from economic dependance on EU and NATO. This should also be an economic partnershp is what i'm trying to say.

What? These countries already enjoy free trade and travel?!
Crow 137 | 7,756
16 Jun 2011 #149
of slaves?
OP boletus 30 | 1,366
16 Jun 2011 #150
Seminar on the "EU Battle Groups" (EUBG), organized by the Croatian Ministry of Defence and the Polish Embassy to Croatia has been held today, 8 June 2011, on the Croatian Military Academy Petar Zrinski in Zagreb.
(...)
Thanking to Polish representatives for initiating this Seminar and encouraging the development of the EUBG, MOD Secretary of State Simunovic said that he was confident that Croatia will join the EU in July 2013 and pointed out a common defence capabilities as an essential part of the overall foreign policy.

morh.hr/en/news-press-releases-annoucments/press-release/seminar-o-borbenim-skupinama-eu.html

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