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Poland versus Greece in economy


Warszawette - | 128
28 Sep 2012 #31
Witam!

To Delph!

Re teachers of German going to Germany to take care of old folks, I do know 4 cases. All of them are women in their fifties so get back on earth! Do you believe everybody in Poland is .... 25 years old? Have you ever heard that it is very hard to be hired (not only in Poland but everywhere else) when you reach a "certain" age. Sorry but when you are in your fifties or older and you have no connections, forget about getting a job and many older Polish women have to go abroad to take cleaning/elderly caring jobs. I do know several women who have left for Germany, England, France (most cleaning ladies there are Polish) or even Italy.

And as to cases I "heard" of, yes, I have them among my acquaintances.

It is really something to read people who believe all is bright, that everybody has it easy, that the world is great. Maybe you are in a good shape financially (I AM) but it does not mean everybody else is having it easy. Stop taking govermental propaganda for granted and instead look around, talk to people and you'll discover a lot of misery. And this does not apply only to Poland.

Probably you live in the marvelous world of Disney but don't prevent others from looking at the real world ;)
milky 13 | 1,657
28 Sep 2012 #32
but he isn't wrong, is he? just you are.

Pip go eat some ice cream and count your developer husband's money
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
28 Sep 2012 #33
Re teachers of German going to Germany to take care of old folks, I do know 4 cases. All of them are women in their fifties so get back on earth!

What does their age have to do with getting a job where German is required? Of course, being such an expert, you should realise that these women probably took early retirement from teaching and didn't lose their jobs at all - despite what they might have told the stupid foreigner.

Have you ever heard that it is very hard to be hired (not only in Poland but everywhere else) when you reach a "certain" age. Sorry but when you are in your fifties or older and you have no connections, forget about getting a job and many older Polish women have to go abroad to take cleaning/elderly caring jobs. I do know several women who have left for Germany, England, France (most cleaning ladies there are Polish) or even Italy.

If you reach the age of 50 and don't have connections, what have you been doing with your life? Teachers in particular are very well placed to have connections.

Sorry, but I think your whole "I have so much money and everyone else doesn't" is just the typical arrogant foreigner syndrome. I assure you that you're probably not anywhere near as wealthy in Poland as you think you are.
Warszawette - | 128
28 Sep 2012 #34
Delph! Just to finish: 3 women I know who are in Germany had their classes closed. They were in Lublin. Obviously you don't know what is going on in Poland otherwise you'll know that a lot of classes have been closed around Poland due to lack of kids. Don't make up what fits you because I know that those women are NOT on retirement (besides, do you know the level of Polish retirements? I doubt it ;))

Sorry but you sound like the perfect spoiled brat who thinks everything is easy, that everybody is rich. I assume that you are very young not to know anything re life. I can also assure you that it is most difficult (more so in post-communist countries since older people have not been trained to work in capitalist societies) to be hired at 50 or more.

No need to further discuss since you refuse to see reality. Keep in your marvelous world! ;).
Nojas 4 | 110
28 Sep 2012 #35
What's your point? Polish GDP grew 4.3% 2011 and is expected to grow 2.7% in 2012.

My point was no more than a thread started in 2012 talking about last years economics, with an article from 2010 as source. I.e in present time irrelevant and that particular statement was untrue. But it was correct when the article was written, two years ago.

I think it's about etiquette to advertise that you are copying texts from two years ago when starting a thread.
George8600 10 | 636
31 Oct 2012 #36
Greece in mentality is scarcely European, and the level of cheating and lying in every walk of life beggars belief - and this is in the opinion of Poles living in Greece.

Aren't there Germans and Russians who say the same thing about Polish people?

Udawać Greka - never a truer word spoken in Polish.

I doubt most Polish people care about Greece.
chris_jp3
11 Jul 2015 #37
Poland has now surpassed Greece in both annual per capita income as well as on the index of human development. I am Greek, and many of us are amazed at how many of our young people have been sent for education and-or technical training in Poland. Moreover, Poland by far has become the leading foreign purchaser of businesses and properties once owned by Greeks (and which failed as a result of the depression). What is great about the Polish owners is that they hire mostly native Greeks, and also provide the necessary training for those in need of skills. Finally, Poland has catapulted into third place as the leading investor in Greece, and is poised to easily become first by 2025. If Greece was wise, it would forget about both the Euro Area (which EU member Poland is hesitant to join) as well as Russia or China, and turn to Poland to become its economic mentor. This would be a win-win situation for both countries. Greece would acquire the genuinely constructive advice and assistance that it needs, and Poland would enjoy the prestige of having its first protégé, or (not necessarily a bad term) client state.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
11 Jul 2015 #38
forget about both the Euro Area (which EU member Poland is hesitant to join) as well as Russia or China, and turn to Poland to become its economic mentor.

What?

Russia? China? Those two are the last people to turn to when you need help - "first they give, and then they ask" and all that. Greece, even their government, doesn't want to work with those two.
jon357 69 | 18,457
11 Jul 2015 #39
Those two are the last people to turn to when you need help

Yes. "Whoever pays the Danegeld will always have the Dane." Plus they're two of the most corrupt states which are actually able to afford to 'help'.

Something tells me that Chris_jp3 is Polish rather than Greek. 'Protege' or 'client state' indeed! Next he'll be suggesting moving the Elgin Marbles to Sosnowiec...
Ziemowit 13 | 4,535
16 Feb 2018 #40
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Greece should give up the euro zone and let itself be annexed by the neighbouring Turkey. Turkey's growth is terrific and both countries could form a great Aegean Empire which may control the Middle East successfully with a little help from their friends, the Americans... As a sign of eternal friendship between the two countries Istanbul should be re-named Constantinople and then declared new capital of the new empire.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,816
16 Feb 2018 #41
Economy better? Please, Greeks have the lowest savings rate of any EU nation. The average Greek spends 19% more than they earn.

Average wages are way way way down from pre-recession years -statista.com/statistics/416209/average-annual-wages-greece-y-on-y-in-euros/

And how's the ROI on the billions invested in that Olympic stadium working out for you guys?

You guys should've put all the migrants that came through in the stadium and sent Merkel a rent bill. Not only would you have helped stem the flow of terrorists, ninjas, neck beards, etc. but you'd also make some money. That's what the Italians are doing. It's making them a ton of money too putting thousands of migrants into an empty warehouse and charging the EU 100eu per migrant per day.
Marino_Kat 1 | 113
16 Feb 2018 #42
@Ziemowit

Poland should let itself be annexed by russia.
Do you honestly udnerstand what rubbish and insults you say?
dolnoslask 6 | 3,074
16 Feb 2018 #43
Sorry about that he obviously has no clue as to the history between Greece and turkey, he is not Polish so don't think the rest of us think the same way.

I have visited Greece many times, but I would never set foot in turkey the same with russia, they are both two sides of the same coin.
Marino_Kat 1 | 113
16 Feb 2018 #44
What he said was an gigantic insult against Greece. Turkey is an oriental dictatorship of the worst kind. Its crimes against Greece are so gigantic. That Greece fought so hard to get free from oriental dictatorship is what created the modern nationstates and was a symbol for hope for so many in the world.

Its a long time now but even today we young people cant imagine how brave our ancestors were.

That said, i hope you enjoyed your visits to your country.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,074
16 Feb 2018 #45
What he said was an gigantic insult against Greece

I know it is the worst insult that can ever be made to someone from Greece.

I have Visited Rhodos , Spetses, Crete, Athens many times , Always the best experience and welcome from the Greek people.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,074
16 Feb 2018 #47
Spetses, Rhodos Santorini, tried to follow homers illiad
nope 2 | 43
16 Feb 2018 #48
how brave our ancestors were

IMO the world should've helped them in 1919 and today we'd still have the beautiful Smyrna as it was for thousands of years.
Marino_Kat 1 | 113
17 Feb 2018 #49
My grandma said we should not mourn what we lost but be proud for what we have.

Today all of Anatolia is a stinking oriental hellhole.

@dolnoslask

All this is very nice. I´m from Pyrgos. Thats right next to Olympia. If you ever find the time you should visit our region.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
17 Feb 2018 #50
Greece should give up the euro zone and let itself be annexed by the neighbouring Turkey.

that is probably one of the dumbest most ignorant posts I have ever read on here. And that is going some...
presuming you are not trolling that is...,
The main difference between Greece and Poland is that people really like to visit Greece for their holidays..:)
I have been to Crete, Rhodes, Ios, Naxos, Paros, AntiParos, Samos, Zante, Kephalonia, Evia, the Peloponnese..
Athens
and I am far from finished..
mafketis 29 | 10,321
17 Feb 2018 #51
people really like to visit Greece for their holidays..:

Turkey has traditionally been popular too...

But massively dumb idea, especially with the religious kleptocrat Erdogan trying to drag Turkey back in time, he even had plans to reintroduce the arabic alphabet...

In Greece I've only been to Rodos and Kos (loved both, maybe Rodos a bit more, the area of Rodos town around the northern tip of the island down through the marinas is one of my favorite places on earth..... I just wish they took better care of the beaches.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,816
17 Feb 2018 #52
I've heard great things about Crete, Athens not so much. I feel for the Greeks man. Its sad that government cucks protect their own citizens. When millions of young men are rushing towards your borders thats not a refugee crisis, its an invasion as must be treated as such.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
17 Feb 2018 #53
Its sad that government cucks protect their own citizens.

have a look at a map of Greece and suggest exactly how 'government cucks' could protect that border.
the quality of your silliness is rising daily..:)
G (undercover)
17 Feb 2018 #54
Sorry but you are the one that is silly. Leaving aside all the new technology, drones etc. + the powerful navy/army Greece have, one could just fire some warning shots in the direction of boats with invaders to stop the whole nonsense.
G (undercover)
17 Feb 2018 #56
So what would happen then according to you ?
Marino_Kat 1 | 113
17 Feb 2018 #57
@Dirk diggler

We are in 2018 and not 2015.

The refugees have been stopped. They get packed into camps on remote islands under hard conditions. They have no chance to get on our main land and are forced to stay in those camps. Some cant take it anymore and even try to swim back turkey.

dailysabah.com/politics/2016/05/12/migrants-stranded-on-greek-islands-attempt-to-swim-back-to-turkey
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,816
17 Feb 2018 #58
@rozumiemnic

Umm simple and geography has nothing to do with it and everything to do with government and societal will and whether it cares about its citizens more than economic migrants. They have guns and an army... you post border guards around and dont let people in illegally. Speaking of geography take a look at china, saudi arabia, or any number of countries within close promiximty to where migrants are coming from. Even poland is surrounded on 3 sides by different countries but thay doesnt mean we take in every person that crosses the border without checking them and detaining those breaking the law.

They shouldnt of let any boats come in in the first place. Fire warning shots if you must. Refusr them entry once, twice, three times and people will get discouraged and stop coming by the thousands. Allowing thousands of people from a vastly different culture to reap economic benefits and literally rape and pillage all over the land isnt humanitarianism, its allowing an invasion via amphibious landing. No self respecting rulers should ever allow it and not try to stop it.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,849
18 Feb 2018 #60
Umm simple

nice that you have reviewed your own posts so succinctly


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