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USA is indirectly causing instability in Poland


Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2016 #1
Angela Merkel's decisions are dictated by American actions and consequent wishes to accept refuges, to enlist harsh reforms, to restrict freedom of speech alike American one. These decisions are then imposed on Poland through EU policies and are causing higher taxes, harsher work laws, lower pays and restrictions on civil rights. We need to say no to American encroachment
Kosnawski
25 Jan 2016 #2
Hopefully with the end of Obama (Barack HUSSEIN Obama) mandate and rising of Ted Cruz, this pressure of Angela Merkel (and their lapdogs of PO) to islamize Poland will finish.

The Russians, the Ottomans, the Nazis and the Soviets tried to destroy Poland and they fail.

Islam can try to destroy Poland, but at the end, poles are going to win again.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2016 #3
No, it will not stop with the departure of Obama, he was actually trying to put an end to the deployment of American troops, he tried to do well by the people but he may have become greedy, he lost support of certain groups as they were not powerful enough compared to the war mongrels. And you can add Jews the group above (the battle with them is not over though). Americans will continue to pursue their war agenda and "necessary" reform changes in UE. However, it is us, the people who have to have awareness of it and confront it in Europe.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
25 Jan 2016 #5
Everyone just about everyone dislikes or hates Americans, they make this world unsafe, unstable more and more.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
25 Jan 2016 #6
Perhaps you can explain why the current Polish government is so fond of America, then.
Ironside 49 | 10,375
25 Jan 2016 #7
Everyone just about everyone dislikes or hates Americans, they make this world unsafe, unstable more and more.

WTF? On the other hand we all love Chinese, Russia and Trools. What kind of nonsense is that, the USA is( before civil war it would be are) as well a victim of the financial system like a next country.
johnny reb 24 | 4,293
25 Jan 2016 #8
Angela Merkel's decisions are dictated by American actions and consequent wishes to accept refuges,

America's actions are holding Obama's feet to the fire on immigration.
President Obama's use of executive power is facing another major test at the Supreme Court, this time on the contentious issue of immigration.
Programs he launched through executive action last year to shield as many as 5 million immigrants from deportations have been on hold since a federal judge ruled that Texas and 25 other states have a legitimate basis to challenge the programs.


So if Merkel's decisions are dictated by America's actions, Poland will no longer be forced to accept immigration on the EU terms.
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #9
I think tat American foreign policy post Obama will change dramatically once Donald Trump is in power, he will be more focused on domestic issues rather than promoting American world order.

Johnny: how dare you Americans threaten to set your president on fire (lol)
Roger5 1 | 1,458
25 Jan 2016 #10
once Donald Trump is in power

He has a few little things to take care of before he becomes POTUS. For example, convincing enough women, Latinos, blacks, Democrats and Republicans to vote for him. Mr Trump is extremely unlikely to be elected. If you feel confident, you can get 4/1 at some UK bookies. Steam in!
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #11
Roger, you never know, look at the UK conservative and PIS landslide wins in the last elections, look at the current worldwide demise of liberalism as a failed project, you never know until the results are in.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
25 Jan 2016 #12
worldwide demise of liberalism as a failed project

Liberalism failed? In the middle east it has not even got of the ground, I'll grant you that. Saudi Arabia shares many of the prejudices of certain PF members, but the ideals of tolerance and inclusiveness, and the idea that minorities should not be persecuted have taken firm hold in most of the developed world, the USA included.
Crow 139 | 8,167
25 Jan 2016 #13
We need to say no to American encroachment

beware. Look what happened to Serbians when they said no to USA dictate. Things unimaginable
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #14
Roger so I take it that you believe that minorities are persecuted unless a liberal is in charge?, would you want a liberal dictatorship in Poland and the USA?
Roger5 1 | 1,458
25 Jan 2016 #15
you believe that minorities are persecuted unless a liberal is in charge

In my lifetime black people faced terrible persecution in the USA and elsewhere.

would you want a liberal dictatorship in Poland and the USA?

I wouldn't want a dictatorship anywhere. Just a society where people can live peacefully without being persecuted for their ethnicity or for what they do in private without harming anyone.
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #16
I am not a liberal but top of my list of role models are Martin Luther King,John F Kennedy,Nelson Mandela, Muhammad Ali, but they were not extremist libtard Femen loons as you get today, well Ali was special case and I had just started amateur boxing myself, he taught me to be bold and stand up for myself.
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #17
me to be bold and stand up for myself.

This is exactly what we Poles are doing now and no foreign wannabe-Pole will change that.
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #18
Roger5 " for what they do in private" well this is the point in case loons like femen set out to rub everyone's nose into their libtard beliefs, running round churches naked trying to incite hatred, some things should be kept private and not promoted by force to be the norm.

Its not the USA that is trying to cause instability, more likely the EU libtard countries that wish to convert Poland into their own image of corruption and criminality.

"Remind us which political party appointed an ex-PZPR " this is where many non Poles fail to understand us , just because some were forced or though economic circumstance or fear of violence or death, outwardly appeared serve the communist masters, this didn't make them all traitors, in the same way many of my fellow countrymen were forced to fight on the side of the Nazis or communists, it was a case of survival, and sometimes it is good to have a patriot inside the occupying terrorist system who tries to mitigate the damage that might have been caused. Many a patriot and citizen of Poland was forced to appear subdued by the communist occupiers,

It amazes me when people have no understanding of battle or occupation and sit on their high chairs in judgement of others who had to make some hard and dire choices just to survive.

Take a look today at the UK Iraq veterans who are now being hounded for serving their country, this is leftist libtard lunacy gone to another level.

Poland does not need a witch hunt only to create division, it amazes me how foreigners who just do not have any clue wish to hunt down and destroy people.

My father who fought through the Italian campaign including mote Casino never spoke badly of those who were trapped on the wrong side neither did he utter a bad word about our German neighbors, he taught me to learn from the mistakes of history, and never to look back in revenge.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
25 Jan 2016 #19
Many a patriot and citizen of Poland was forced to appear subdued by the communist occupiers,

No, dolnoslask. No-one was forced in the late 70's to become a public prosecutor. Anyone that willingly followed that path had to have known fine well that they would be doing what they were told by the State and that they would be expected to prosecute people for political purposes.

It amazes me when people have no understanding of battle or occupation and sit on their high chairs in judgement of others who had to make some hard and dire choices just to survive.

No-one had to take such a job. Don't try and defend such collaborationist scum - the days of doing such things just to survive had long gone by the late 70's. They did it because they were nasty pieces of work who saw the potential rewards for doing so.

Take a look today at the UK Iraq veterans who are now being hounded for serving their country, this is leftist libtard lunacy gone to another level.

I'm indifferent towards them. They went to fight in a war that didn't need to be fought, so it was their choice - they did it for cash.

Poland does not need a witch hunt only to create division, it amazes me how foreigners who just do not have any clue wish to hunt down and destroy people.

I don't think you quite get it, do you? PiS supporters have spent years shouting about ex-communists in government - then when PiS wins power, they immediately install ex-communists into positions of power. It's the hypocrisy that gets me.
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #20
Delph "they did it for cash" yes Delph my father got British army pay to fight the Nazis, yeh he got a bonus of £27 and a demob suit when he finished, but no country to go home to.

I am sure you have a deep hole already sorted to hide in next time there is trouble, god forbid you should be paid to fight for freedom.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
25 Jan 2016 #21
Delph "they did it for cash" yes Delph my father got British army pay to fight the Nazis, yeh he got a bonus of £27 and a demob suit when he finished, but no country to go home to.

Sure, but they were fighting for their country. Treasonous swine like Piotrowicz did it for the cash and benefits.

I am sure you have a deep hole already sorted to hide in next time there is trouble, god forbid you should be paid to fight for freedom.

Piotrowicz wasn't fighting for freedom. He was actively working for the PZPR to supress freedom.
NocyMrok
25 Jan 2016 #22
to fight for freedom.

This time Poles won't help. Would like to see Britons living under occupation. Being on the other side would change their imperial attitude.
dolnoslask
25 Jan 2016 #23
NocyMrok "This time Poles won't help. Would like to see Britons living under occupation" , my family has done it's bit to protect Britain, only to create a generation of libtards as you see here on PF.

" stripping someone of their citizenship is associated with totalitarian regimes?"

Exceptions can be made for terrorists or dangerous insurgents, as you can see Donald trump is already suggesting changes to the current rule of law to protect american citizens from terrorism, as you know once america moves the rest of the world follows, I would not be surprised if other countries followed Americas lead ,This would not so much a case of america causing instability , but others following and coming to their sences to protect their own from radical ideology.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
27 Jan 2016 #24
beware. Look what happened to Serbians when they said no to USA dictate. Things unimaginable

At least Serbians get to keep their own country. The westerners feared Yugoslavia (western paranoia) so they decided to dismantle it and take over part by part but Serbia maintained its eastern ties. Serbia will stand on its feet in years to come, it is hard now but later it will be better, it is better to be free and poorer and have your own corner than to be seemingly rich and a slave of everyone like USA. It is not only about economy but also culture, western culture is not as pretty as it seems from afar, with western financial encroachment comes cultural change too. Be happy Serbia turned its back on USA, I am aware what it means to do just that but I hope it happens to Poland one day and that will be the beginning of rebirth.
nothanks - | 640
27 Jan 2016 #25
Saudi Arabia - Israel - USA

> the bad guys
Discussions unrelated to Poland will be removed and topic closed.
OP Ktos 17 | 456
27 Jan 2016 #26
So if Merkel's decisions are dictated by America's actions, Poland will no longer be forced to accept immigration on the EU terms.

There is another thing, what USA does on its playground does not follow when it comes to dictating to others what they should do on their playgrounds. Polish should wait and see? There are more and more talks of taking in refugees in Poland as of coming weeks, Poland has to act now and not wait for USA.


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