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Tusk or Hollande -- a Salomonic dilemma? What will be better for Poland?


mafketis 29 | 9,973
12 Mar 2017 #121
It's not 'theoretical' at all: there very simply is no obligation under any international law for refugees to do what you claim they have to do

There are no refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, Morocco, Kosovo, Tunisia, Pakistan or Bangladesh (which countries accounted for a large majority of those against whom Merkel decided to not defend the German border).
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #122
..those bearded children are future engineers,currently with psychological problems.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,489
12 Mar 2017 #123
And now Turkey's president Erdogan is sending his envoys to The Netherlands to carry on a Turkish referendal campaign directly on Dutch soil. But the Netherlands' prime minister Mark Rutte refuses to let Turkey's envoy Mevlutem Cavusoglu (Turkey's foreign minister) to land in Rotterdam and also orders another Turkish minister, Fatma Betul Sayan already in the Netherlands to be sent back straight to the German border. Outrageous or unbelievable!? Has Mark Rutte decided that all the Political Correctnnes must suddenly go to the bin? No, Mark Rutte feels the breath of Geert Wilders of PVV (Partij Voor de Vrijheid) on his back shortly before the next week's election in the Netherlands.

It is beyond imagination to what state the liberal rotten West has brought itself in the result of its silly immigration policy.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #124
And now Turkey's president Erdogan is sending his envoys to The Netherlands to carry on a Turkish referendal campaign directly on Dutch soil

dont worry.we have 27-1 majesty Donald the great .he will sort everything out .for now hes using his opportunity to sit quiet,waiting for inspiration.gathering testosterone
Crnogorac3 2 | 442
12 Mar 2017 #125
If I recall, that allegation was produced by Jacek Kurski but later debunked. I'm not 100% sure and don't intend to Google it.

Donald Tusk first said that he was personally not aware of his grandpa Jozef Tusk's Nazi past, then when he was grilled on the issue before important elections he made the excuse that his grandpa was "forcibly mobilized" by the Germans.

eurojewcong.org/poland/1526-polish-pm:-i-didnt-know-about-my-grandfathers-nazi-past-.html

- My family history, and the history of many Polish, German and Jewish families, it is not so simple. When I learned that he had served in the Wehrmacht, I learned that he had been forced to do this - then explained Tusk

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If his grandfather Jozef Tusk had been forced to serve in the Wehrmacht, from where is then the medal on his chest? (See the lent and part of the medal in the photo)

Those forcibly mobilized, do not stand out in the war and do not end up being distinguished...

The only problem with this statement is that SS officers were not forcibly mobilized but it was a unit formed on a voluntary basis.

This story that Jozef Tusk was "forcibly mobilized" by the Germans is a classic concoction.

Must be that Tusk junior also didn't know that his grandfather was the commander of the Sttuthof concentration camp.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stutthof_concentration_camp

Accidentally Donald Tusk was chosen on the anniversary of the beginning of the war, the Second World War as the head of the European Commission? At that only fools can believe!
Ziemowit 13 | 4,489
12 Mar 2017 #126
Donald Tusk has never been chosen the head of the European Commission. If the rest of your info is as accurate as this piece, then ... congratulation!
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #127
it all might backfire on EU crooks.they exposed pseudo democrats mechanism there..
bottom line,all they did was presented own candidate and refuse to support another...one would think its the very core of democracy. and my god,they called names,that it was shameful to do it,and being mocked by "democrats"ect...its just expose cynicism of so many people
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Mar 2017 #128
bottom line,all they did was presented own candidate and refuse to support another

Have you forgotten that the European Council is controlled by the Member States?

Stop reading the PiS propaganda and use your brain. 27 countries were happy to support Tusk, including Hungary. Only 1 wasn't.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #129
Stop reading the PiS propaganda and use your brain. 27 countries were happy to support Tusk, including Hungary. Only 1 wasn't.

they had right to support whoever they desired..ist that fundamental of democracy?so why all this attack on PIS from people and media and EU as well,calling for early election ect?

delph,is my english that bad,you dont get what am trying to point here?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Mar 2017 #130
so why all this attack on PIS from people and media and EU as well,calling for early election ect?

Let me see. Could it be the ignored rulings from the Constitutional Tribunal, perhaps?

There's nothing to see here. Tusk enjoyed huge support from Europe and PiS are now resorting to childish threats.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #131
There's nothing to see here. Tusk enjoyed huge support from Europe and PiS are now resorting to childish threats

well,they been attacked from every corner for that they dared to have own candidate.quite strange.we all been told thats the core of democracy and EU is democratic institution...doesnt look like that anymore.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Mar 2017 #132
They were attacked because of the way they went about it. If they had proposed a candidate several months ago and spent time promoting them - fine. But they didn't - they pulled a guy out of the hat at the last second (seemingly with a vague promise to him that he would get Waszczykowski's job) and tried to insult the intelligence of other countries in doing so.

Don't look at what Western Europe said, look at what Fico from Slovakia said - that they needed to appoint Tusk ASAP so that Poland couldn't find a way to block it. They not only annoyed Germany and others, but they also annoyed the V4. Plenty of parties that are at least sympathetic towards PiS (such as the HDZ in Croatia) were very clearly against PiS on this.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #133
But they didn't - they pulled a guy out of the hat at the last second

even if it was last second?so? did they brake rules? dont they have right to propose anyone just before summit?maybe they couldn't do it before,maybe thay were supporting tusk all the way but something unexpected happened? how do you know what really happened?

you just making stupid excuses for this mad attacks thats all. it shows what ppl like you and them eurocrats care about democracy.

Don't look at what Western Europe said, look at what Fico from Slovakia said - that they needed to appoint Tusk ASAP so that Poland couldn't find a way to block it

so what,they should abandon their democratic right to propose candidate cus other countries didnt like it?is that how you understand fair elections?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,455
12 Mar 2017 #134
how do you know what really happened?

We know what happened. They were simply trying to cause trouble so that they could show that Tusk wasn't supported by everyone. Problem was, no-one in PiS planned for the possibility that all 27 countries would vote for Tusk.

so what,they should abandon their democratic right to propose candidate cus other countries didnt like it?

I can see that the concept of "diplomacy" is lost on you.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
12 Mar 2017 #135
We know what happened

am sure you do.all happened only in your head.

I can see that the concept of "diplomacy" is lost on you.

thats supose to be democratic election not diplomatic adventure.
criticising PIS for failed diplomacy is legit..but not for proposing candidate.
mafketis 29 | 9,973
13 Mar 2017 #136
criticising PIS for failed diplomacy is legit..but not for proposing candidate.

I criticise them for doing this in a completely unprofessional manner. Had they proposed DSW a couple months ago and worked to build support for him then that would be one thing.

Springing him at the last minute and crying about how mean everybody is like a bunch bvtthurt babies is the level of competence i've come to expect from Jarek i spólka...
cms 9 | 1,255
13 Mar 2017 #137
PiS were fully entitled to field another candidate - and he did not need consensus- if Saryusz-Wolski had the required number of votes he would also have won. As it is he got one vote. There are two reasons for this - he is not qualified for the job and the other candidate was known and liked by the voters who saw no reason to change.

Now that the election is finished and PiS must accept the decision but instead they say they will block EU activity, even where that is likely to benefit Poland. It is nuts.

in Poland they think their 40 percent of the vote allows them to what they want. In Europe they think that every minority should have a a veto.
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #138
Muslims have more rights in EU then Poles.
Braveheart16 18 | 280
13 Mar 2017 #139
This is an interesting discussion on the worthiness of the EU and elections etc....however I feel that there are other more pressing issues which I think are being overlooked. I feel those who attack Tusk and the EU really need to see the bigger picture for Poland.

The EU will not go away just yet, despite all the opinions and suggestions and bearing in mind that the EU have already provided funding on a massive scale to help improve the position of Poland (and yes loans will need to be paid back but then again it is the same with all loans) I think the government need to work with this and focus more on their achievements to date and future achievements and set out how these will help the Polish people.

I think people need to be told what has been achieved so far to give people some sense of living in a country where change is making a real difference to their lives. I don't seem to see much being said about the local policies and achievements and future plans.....but there seems to be a lot being said about the EU, Tusk, and bureaucrats on TV etc....I am sure that many Polish people would much prefer to hear about the real projects currently in hand which will directly help them improve their situation whether it be job creation schemes, environmental improvements, business development, regulation, changes to employment law....things that people would be keen to hear more about and ultimately benefit from.

Without the funding from the EU, Poland really will have found it a challenge to catch up with the economic and social benefits enjoyed by other European countries. Just accept membership of the EU and get on with improving Poland. There are many great things in Polish life which are unique and Poland can be a country of destination and an even better place for the people who live there, providing less time is spent on debating and complaining about other politicians, the EU etc....and more time promoting Poland and telling the Polish people how and where the EU money is being spent and how it will benefit them and what the future holds for them.

I just don't seem to see much communication happening to let the people know what progress is being made with projects designed to improve Poland and peoples lives. (yes there are the local authorities if one wants to go to the offices, or if they are fit enough to go there or if they really have the time) I feel that people will have a greater sense of satisfaction and inclusivity of the decision making process, projects under way and just about anything which will affect us, if they were able to see and hear regular updates on projects ....it would be good to see community centres where local events are held on a regular basis, where people can have fun and talk to each other or meet people for the first time, or just to have somewhere to go for an hour or so. I feel it starts with meaningful communication and not having to guess what exactly is happening on projects which will directly improve peoples lives. There seems to be a lot of Chinese whispers happening which will only make it more frustrating for people who really want to know more of what is happening.
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #140
If we were to resume conclusions of Serbia`s mass media commentaries and reactions about EU`s behave on Poland, whole situation forcing Serbia to seriously reconsider its accession to EU. Considering Serbia`s experience with hegemonic and anti-democratic western European stance before, during and after dissolution of Yugoslavia, Serbian media especially underlines EU`s double standards, which now targeting Poland. Serbian media also underlines Poland`s willingness to more aggressively defend her interests.

Poljski ministar preti: Igraćemo grubu igru sa EU
b92/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=03&dd=13&nav_category=78&nav_id=1239501

Much better to work within Visegrad Group in direction of formation of new Commonwealth (ie Intermarium), before isn`t too late. If Duda fails to rise this topic once again it inevitable means that Duda sold Poland and Polish interests.

Go Poles! You aren`t alone!
Marsupial - | 886
13 Mar 2017 #141
Who will defend this new commonwealth crow?
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #142
If we Serbians organize massive demonstrations pro-new Commonwealth, in front of Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Greek, Hungarian and Bulgarian,... embassies in Belgrade, Pro-Nazi-Muslim EU is finished in those countries. Just like that. And moment is closer and closer
mafketis 29 | 9,973
13 Mar 2017 #143
in Poland they think their 40 percent of the vote allows them to what they want. In Europe they think that every minority should have a a veto.

It's Kali's morality all over again.
pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/moralno%C5%9B%C4%87_Kalego

(summary: Kali is a fictional character - For Kali, a bad deed was when someone stole his livestock, while a good deed was when he stole someone else's livestock).

It's maybe a literary verstion of TKM (roughly I'ts our fvcking turn [to steal from the public kitty] now) the guiding principle behind all Polish politics
Marsupial - | 886
13 Mar 2017 #144
Crow the eu does not need any of the countries you mentioned to exist and they would be richer without them.
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #145
Good. Feelings are mutual, as would be seen, eventually soon.
mafketis 29 | 9,973
13 Mar 2017 #146
If we Serbians organize massive demonstrations pro-new Commonwealth, in front of Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovenian, Greek, Hungarian and Bulgarian,... embassies in Belgrade, Pro-Nazi-Muslim EU is finished in those countries

How is that supposed to work?

1. organize massive protests in Belgrade
2. ?
3. The EU collapse.

What is step 2?
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #147
People would happen. Its always like that. Only one spark is needed when you have critical mass of people ready for changes. People in those countries would as one go out on streets and demand change for the better, abandoning EU and moving in direction of formation of something OUR, something that would care for interests of people from Baltic to Balkan. EU obviously neither wants, neither can help us.

Now, remind yourself what connects patriots in all those countries that I mentioned. Its solidarity with Serbians which were/are obvious first victim of EU double standards and injustice. So, as symbol of victim of venomous EU`s politics, Serbians may have role to spark the rebellion. It would be honor
Marsupial - | 886
13 Mar 2017 #148
The economies of those countries are too small for anything major. Military power is feeble. I have no idea why you would even mention such a silly idea. Pislamic state will be lynched swinging in the town square before that. Are you drinking crow?
Crow 150 | 9,552
13 Mar 2017 #149
Drinking? I would open champagne when EU yoke is ended.
Marsupial - | 886
13 Mar 2017 #150
Ofcourse you would. You want more war and bombing of your neighbours with your self destructive crackpot ideas. Don't wish too hard.

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