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Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES


Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 Feb 2010 #181
I don't leave yearly ;) ;)

I think you miss the point. The point is that it is easy to travel around Europe, esp from where I am. Also, you said it yourself that America is floundering with too many people chasing too few jobs.
scrappleton - | 830
8 Feb 2010 #182
At the moment it is.. it's not socialist like you are... it doesn't stay the same decade after decade. There's up and downs.. you see tough people can weather these times. Euro pu.ssies who need the goverment to take care of every aspect of their lives can not.

.. And uhhh it would seem you in Europe have a credit crisis of your own. Ahem cough Greece.. What's wrong? .. I thought you were all geniuses.. certainly it's a utopia and the Economist has it wrong. :- (( However, we know you used to unemployment.. you've got that down in spades :- (

I pity your continent.. you are weak, slowly strangling yourself with taxes. Who really want to invest in you with all your assanine rules. The Chinese and Indians will strangle you first as you don't even have kids any more.
convex 20 | 3,978
8 Feb 2010 #183
I pity your continent.. you are weak, slowly strangling yourself with taxes. Who really want to invest in you with all your assanine rules.

That's pretty funny considering all of the trading that moved to london because of the overbearing regulation in the US (SOX saw a big migration to the island). Regarding taxes, US corporate tax rates are higher than any in Europe. Individual tax rates aren't exactly low either. China and India will eclipse Europe because Europe can't capitalize on it's innovation like the US can (although with new regulation, we'll see if it remains competitive in that field).
z_darius 14 | 3,968
8 Feb 2010 #184
Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES

In other words:

Crimes in Poland more than 75% lower than in the UK
or
Crimes in Poland well over 8 times lower than in the US
or
Crimes in Holland 6 times higher per capita than in Poland
or
Poland outside the top 10 crime ridden countries
scrappleton - | 830
8 Feb 2010 #185
That's pretty funny considering all of the trading that moved to london because of the overbearing regulation in the US

Ahhh yeah right.. need a link on that one please.
Ogien 6 | 245
8 Feb 2010 #186
lol at the thread starter.
Matejkao
8 Feb 2010 #187
There were big problem with Russian and Polish.

And these problems got even bigger with the crisis
Wroclaw Boy
8 Feb 2010 #188
You send me a PM of condolences mean while stab me in the back on the Forum, i dont care what came first - Post or PM.

Ask for help, the support network is there for him. Benefits would be another route. Regarding the decisions, didn't have a good job to save away some cash? Highly educated? The opportunities to work a well paying job are here, that is not the case in many places.

1. Support network - what support network other than friends and family?
2. Benefits - What benefits would he be entiitled to whilst in full time employment?
3. Hard to save on 1300 PLN / month.
4. Yes highly educated, 1 level below masters prior to employment at the main employer for his small town.

He now has a chemical engineers degree sponsered by his employer, he is effectively out of the deep water currently.

This chap has been shat on from a gigantic height all his life, he's just too nice a guy. If he indulged in scamming and conning he'd be much better off thats for sure he played by the moral rules. Dont even get me started on him properly i could go on and on...... I got some shite to sort out but rest assured he's getting a huge pay day from me.

The opportunities to work a well paying job are here, that is not the case in many places.

Please proived links and proof including average jobs with average salaries.

Wroclaw Boy:
Decisions have nothing to do with it, WHY the hell are there over 1,000,000 Poles in the UK, come on man.
easy, quick cash. easier chances for making more money.

Fcuk off, how many Yanks go abroad for easy money? how many Brits in search of money?
Easier is the name of the game, it isnt easy in Poland, are you suggesting that my brother in law made a bad decision not going to the UK? should he have abandoned his wife and children. The stats speak for themsleves they wouldnt leave friends and family unless they absolutely had to.

but you know, you are right. this is a guy that really is down on his luck. how many people are in his position, stealing because of a sick kid?

unfortunately 10's of thousands, not many steal but if it came to it, you'd die for your children.

I know you have an aeroplane and all that, but jeeze man step into the real Poland.

I have lots of contact with the locals its not so much a case of stealing but they'll scam and scam like theres no tomorrow. They quite simply have to in many cases.

I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture of poland, but medications? 12k worth of dr's bribes?

His worst decision came in the fact that he didnt ask me for the cash in the first place, no it wasnt 12k for bribes and medication, but take a few loan sharks, loan after loan and his total debt over the course of id say 2 years became 12,000 PLN.

My wifes mother has cancer its serious, couldnt be more serious, we paid 1000 PLN bribe for her to see a decent Onchologist, she had the correct screening and chemotherapy treatment within 1 month. I know of another lady literally dieing form cancer and she wont get chemo for another month 3 months from diagnosis. Shes not paying a bribe!! This is the fault of the government not enough funds for hospitals, but its redicolous that we need to bribe. Ive NEVER known a Doctor to turn down a bribe. Its rampant in Poland.
convex 20 | 3,978
8 Feb 2010 #189
You send me a PM of condolences mean while stab me in the back on the Forum, i dont care what came first - Post or PM.

Post obviously came first, but I stand by what I wrote.

1. Support network
2. Benefits
3. Hard to save
4. educated

1. Friends and Family, people tend to help others in need.
2. fair enough, has the OPS been of any use?
3. 1300 after the government steals their cut?

Please proived links and proof including average jobs with average salaries.

glassdoor.com/Salaries/poland-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IN193.htm

not sure if that link is dynamic

Fcuk off, how many Yanks go abroad for easy money? how many Brits in search of money?

Have you been to Saudi? Bahrain? Dubai? Those Brits and Americans didn't move there because of the working environment...

Easier is the name of the game, it isnt easy in Poland, are you suggesting that my brother in law made a bad decision not going to the UK?

Maybe not to the UK, but relocation within Poland would be possible, or?

I have lots of contact with the locals its not so much a case of stealing but they'll scam and scam like theres no tomorrow. They quite simply have to in many cases.

can or are able to?

His worst decision came in the fact that he didnt ask me for the cash in the first place, no it wasnt 12k for bribes and medication, but take a few loan sharks, loan after loan and his total debt over the course of id say 2 years became 12,000 PLN.

bad choice there, would it have been an option to approach you 2 years ago?

It's a sh*tty situation, especially when the government steals so much of his money right off the top, and he never sees any benefit from it. I still think that choice has a lot to play here. Anybody who decides to have a family should be financially secure. I'm guessing that he wasn't a big believer in the medical system before having a child, with that in mind, was there an expectation that it would change? Was there financial planning for this?

Again, condolences, it's affecting you directly, but I still believe that it was poor planning, and that you have enough opportunity here to make it work here...opportunity which isn't available in a good portion of the world.
MarkieM
8 Feb 2010 #190
Hey guys please dont kill eachother over here too
convex 20 | 3,978
8 Feb 2010 #191
Ahhh yeah right.. need a link on that one please.

nymag.com/guides/london/29440
guardian.co.uk/business/2007/jan/23/13
Ghowrow
9 Feb 2010 #192
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polish_serial_killers

Władysław Mazurkiewicz (1911 - January 31, 1957) was a Polish serial killer who lived in the city of Cracow (Kraków), Poland and also had property in Warsaw.

He was nicknamed the "gentleman killer", and was charged with the murders of at least 30 women. He confessed to everything, by saying "Yes, that's true." He was convicted and executed by hanging[1].
jonni 16 | 2,485
9 Feb 2010 #193
:Polish_serial_killers

I had quite an argument with someone a few years ago. He'd been watching a documentary on Discovery Channel or some such similar, on Serial Killers. He said it seems to be a British phenomeon because there were so many there.

In fact, it was a British documentary - that was why it was about the UK ones. That and the fact that British society, topography and infrastructure mean that they tend to be caught fairly soon.

He insisted that there can't possibly be any Polish Serial Killers, because of course it isn't a Polish tradition. Nor are mobile phones, swingers clubs, sushi or one-armed-bandits, but all of those abound here. And Poland is not specially immune to the very worst aspects of human behaviour.

At the same time that we were arguing, there were billboards around central Warsaw with pictures of missing persons. So many of them were teenage girls of the same physical type, hair colour and age.

Maybe I read too many trashy detective novels, but there seemed to be a pattern.

And there are certainly a lot of missing persons posters here in Warsaw.

Some psychologists say that serial killing is a product of urban society - I'm not sure, since there have certainly been rural ones. But Poland is both an urban and rural society so that wouldn't have an effect. The FBI estimate that there are around 40 such people operating in the USA at any given time. If the US population is 309 million and Poland 38 million, this means that there are around 5 serial killers not yet caught.

I would suggest that figure is higher, since the FBI are well resourced, effective and professional, whereas the Polish police are not.

I've known people here who have gone missing, including my closest friend and also a colleague - most have turned up sooner or later. But all those young girls with blond hair, about 13 or 14 who dissappeared while walking home from school in Mazowsze must be somewhere.

And Poland is an easy country in which to hide someone/something.
strzyga 2 | 993
9 Feb 2010 #194
This one is an interesting case:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdzisław_Marchwicki
It's still not certain if the right person was sentenced. Subject to many discussions and speculations for home-grown detectives.

mod edit :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdzis%C5%82aw_Marchwicki
JORDAN85 - | 3
10 Feb 2010 #195
Hi

In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES it's wrong .

Thanks!
adamoadamo - | 2
10 Feb 2010 #196
What a ********!!! We've got one of the best police forces in Europe(even they're forced to work using junk) and rates of crimes is so high only because we trust our police and report crimes. In England there is no point in calling Police. It's mainly because Pilce in most of countries don't have any rights... and skills hahaha
jonni 16 | 2,485
10 Feb 2010 #197
We've got one of the best police forces in Europe

Have you ever had to use them?

In England there is no point in calling Police.

Why do you say that? Again, have you ever had to use them?
Marta20
11 Feb 2010 #198
Why do you compare England with Poland?

In Poland they are used to locking up in jail innocent people without even a trial
convex 20 | 3,978
11 Feb 2010 #199
In Poland they are used to locking up in jail innocent people without even a trial

you forgot about how they eat babies too.
Marta20
11 Feb 2010 #200
The trust in Police in Poland is very low, due to the abuses of police
convex 20 | 3,978
11 Feb 2010 #201
I'd love to see some links, would make for good reading. the trust is low...but it's because they're lazy, not abusive.
Marta20
11 Feb 2010 #202
the reports and links on the internet are in polish and they are abundent
convex 20 | 3,978
11 Feb 2010 #203
i'm not too bothered with them being in polish, could you post some? how have you been abused? do you know anyone that has been jailed without a trial?
Wroclaw Boy
12 Feb 2010 #204
Have you been to Saudi? Bahrain? Dubai? Those Brits and Americans didn't move there because of the working environment...

Thats totally different and you know it, i really cant be bothered to type out the reasons. Poles didnt have a choice thats the main reason they went abroad.

but I still believe that it was poor planning, and that you have enough opportunity here to make it work here...

You can make it work here of course but you need several factors in your favor including some luck. At the end of the day there are many more poor people in Poland than most other established countries, someone has to be poor right, thats basic common sense......

opportunity which isn't available in a good portion of the world.

Another no brainer and of course true but were not discussing that, thats totally irrelevant to this debate.

bad choice there, would it have been an option to approach you 2 years ago?

As i mentioned hes an honourouble chap, he didnt wnat to approach the brother in law for a financial bail out based on morals. I wish he had it would have cost me less. Mistake maybe, ones integrity is the price to pay.
Harry
12 Feb 2010 #205
it's because they're lazy, not abusive.

When somebody broke into my basement and stole everything that was in there, they couldn't even be bothered to come and have a look. We knew who it was (drunk guy who lived on the top floor) and there were clear fingerprints in the dust, so all they would have needed to do was photograph the prints and compare them to the ones from him they have on file: case closed. But they said that because the total value of what had been stolen was under 500zl, they wouldn't come.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
12 Feb 2010 #206
somebody broke into my basement and stole everything that was in there..........the total value of what had been stolen was under 500zl,

Not to worry, I'm sure those prno magazines that were stolen can be replaced.
convex 20 | 3,978
12 Feb 2010 #207
Thats totally different and you know it, i really cant be bothered to type out the reasons. Poles didnt have a choice thats the main reason they went abroad.

How is it totally different? I don't believe it. It was primarily motivated by making more money, not money to survive. Now Poles that are illegally working in Germany for €100 a week, you might have a point that they're doing it to survive, or more likely, so their family can survive.

You can make it work here of course but you need several factors in your favor including some luck. At the end of the day there are many more poor people in Poland than most other established countries, someone has to be poor right, thats basic common sense......

There are more poor people in Poland than in most of Western Europe, US+Canada, and some smaller Asian countries. I truly believe if that motivation and common sense is there, you can "make it" in Poland. No luck involved.

Regarding having to be poor, it's a question of what is poor? If you mean that some people will always have lower bank balances, then yes, someone has to be poor. If you use quality of life and availability of opportunity, than no, no one has to be poor. Poland is Sweden 50 years ago in just about every statistic.

Another no brainer and of course true but were not discussing that, thats totally irrelevant to this debate.

It is relevant, one of the themes in the thread was Poland in comparison with the rest of the world on various issues, such as crime.

Mistake maybe, ones integrity is the price to pay.

Pride has a tendency to bite you in the ass.

But they said that because the total value of what had been stolen was under 500zl, they wouldn't come.

Sounds pretty damn lazy to me. I took abusive to mean physically abusive, in the context of locking people up without trial.
Jurkal
12 Feb 2010 #208
Not to worry, I'm sure those prno magazines that were stolen can be replaced.

That was funny. However, pûrno magazine leads to rapes
Wroclaw Boy
12 Feb 2010 #209
How is it totally different? I don't believe it.

Brits and Americans generally dont have to move abroad to make money they have all the opportunities right in their own back yard, hell if things get messy benefits galore. Now Poland 5 years ago had low wages high unemployment and a very bad economy, so they really didnt have a choice. Crime has dropped drastically in Poland over the past few years.

OK so approx 1,000,000 million Poles emmigrated to England alone over the past six years, of course there are some Brits and Americans abroad making the bux but nothing in comparison, what does that tell YOU....?

You still think its the same?

Poland is Sweden 50 years ago in just about every statistic.

Dont recall Swedes emmigrating by the millions. Thats the first ive heard about that if you want to compare use Ireland.

I truly believe if that motivation and common sense is there, you can "make it" in Poland. No luck involved.

But its harder thats my point and your post basically admits that. With a poorer country such as Poland there will be more poor people no matter what you argue thats a fact. So only the people with exceptional drive and determination will succeed. Im sorry but i feel like im talking to a child here.

Wroclaw Boy:
Another no brainer and of course true but were not discussing that, thats totally irrelevant to this debate.
It is relevant, one of the themes in the thread was Poland in comparison with the rest of the world on various issues, such as crime.

Its irrelevant as your trying to make Poland look like some wonder country with oppotunities for all by comparing it with other countries. We could discuss Polish roads and you could say "well there worse in Zambia". It can always be worse, thats why its irrelevant. Rhetoric nonsense.

I dont have the time to really get into this but your on a sinking ship and im the torpedo to finish you off.
convex 20 | 3,978
12 Feb 2010 #210
Crime has dropped drastically in Poland over the past few years.

Brits and Americans move to the middle east and asia to make money. People all over the UK move to the city to make money, for some reason I doubt that the majority of people working in Londan are doing so because it's such a great place to live. They could do the same in Nottingham, but they move to London because they'll get paid twice as much. That's the point, the motivation is money, more of it, not money to live.

So only the people with exceptional drive and determination will succeed. Im sorry but i feel like im talking to a child here.

No, the point is you don't need exceptional drive. You just need to study something relevant and move to a city. How is that childish? This is a country where people go to school studying worthless degrees because they can, the university system is flooded with them.

Its irrelevant as your trying to make Poland look like some wonder country with oppotunities for all by comparing it with other countries.

It's not a wonder country, but anyone that gets off of their ass and decides they want to "live well" can do so.

You're an apologist for the lazy and unambitious.


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