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Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES


Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #62
They'd rather have the money. When are you gonna come across and negotiate a price for its return? ;) ;)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,881
1 Feb 2010 #63
They'd rather have the money.

Yeah, me too! ;)
Mikass
1 Feb 2010 #64
Poland is not in Top 10 Crime rates in the world, but it is in Top 15, on place number 11

read again guys the first link
jarnowa 4 | 499
1 Feb 2010 #65
agree with that sentiment, and I have every right to say this, because I've been through a lot, and I've been poorer than most of the spoiled brats who keep speak about poverty and minimum wage meatheads in a single breath..

I recognize a lot. I've also been to loads of sh#t. Have been humiliated many times and i've been poor for ages. Yet i've never committed any serious crime (except shoplifting when i was a kid).

Why should i have any understanding for scum who have been through less sh#t but didn't stay on the right path?

In other words, 99% of criminals have no excuse, even if they have been through hard times.

I do have a problem with your simplistic black and white statements.

sometimes the truth can be described in black and white statements.

Jarnowa, of course it's not BS and you have just shown a complete lack of understanding. Social circumstances play a major part in robbing and other crimes in GB. Nobody needs to rob to survive? Is your name Giertych or Thatcher? Want to be rich quick??? Many just want to make ends meet.

To make ends meet? Don't make me laugh! Maybe in UK but certainly not in Belgium or Holland (i lived in both countries). Here they have plenty opportunities to make money in a legal way, but yet they choose to steal and rob because it's quicker. They even don't care about robbing grannies for a few euro's. And i repeat: a big majority of these criminals is nonwhite, if you like it or not
Mikas
1 Feb 2010 #66
NationsMaster.com is a very respected World COunrteis Statistics website, similar to Wikipedia.

If NationsMaster says Poland is Number 11 in the world as Crimes rate, then it is true
Arien 3 | 721
1 Feb 2010 #67
I recognize a lot.

I'm not surprised, because I know I'm not unique.

I've also been to loads of sh#t. Have been humiliated many times and i've been poor for ages. Yet i've never committed any serious crime (except shoplifting when i was a kid).

Hey, me neither!

Why should i have any understanding for scum who have been through less sh#t but didn't stay on the right path?

I'm not asking for understanding, nor am I justifying any crimes for that matter. I'm simply pointing out that our societies could see a dramatical decline in crime rates, if only some people could be convinced of the mutual benefits of sharing in all fairness, instead of forcing the poorest of the poor to pay even more, just so that they can throw another party..

You just know it doesn't make sense that minimum incomes have been dropping or at best are being frozen, while middle class incomes are increasing every year. (Keep in mind everything else keeps getting more expensive aswell!) There's simply no sense in denying that this makes certain people who work for, or even less than the minimum sometimes, feel cheated, used and angry. So right or wrong, if you want a happier and less criminal society as a whole, you'll have to atleast make sure that every person feels like he or she can participate in society.

Poverty is relative. I mean, you can tell a poor person in Europe he or she has a much better life than for example someone from Sierra Leone, and then ofcourse that statement would ring true! But then again in Sierra Leone almost everyone is poor, so people who live there aren't exactly excluded from the community.

Ofcourse the people we'd call poor have a better life here if you look at material worth, but socially? Some people really feel like they're being excluded from the community, simply because they don't have any money left to participate in certain social activities after paying for their most basic needs. I don't think anyone should understimate that feeling, or even call it a luxury problem.

People who call it a luxury problem, can tell me that again after they've experienced atleast ten years of the work to eat-work-sleep lifestyle. Which basically means no success, no progress, no opportunity, no pride, no satisfaction, no motivation, not much hope, no silly dreams, not too much fun, no holidays whatsoever, no new furniture every once in a while, and in some cases no car, no partner, no children, not much to laugh about, and not much of a future either..

It might sound like I'm overexaggarating to you, but for some young people, this is what their life already looks like. Poverty has become inheritable these days. (Which means, if you're parents are poor, there's a fat chance you'll miss a lot of opportunities, and that you'll probably end up poor aswell!) Discomforting, and pretty sad if you ask me.

To make ends meet? Don't make me laugh! Maybe in UK but certainly not in Belgium or Holland (i lived in both countries).

I don't think you really lived there from the sound of it, I think it's more likely you've been here for a while to work, and perhaps had a few things arranged for you by the agency that you've been working for? Trust me, it's not that easy when you're Dutch and haven't enjoyed much of an education for yourself, because then you'll discover that you'll be too expensive for the very same employers you've been working for as a foreigner..

Here they have plenty opportunities to make money in a legal way, but yet they choose to steal and rob because it's quicker.

Plenty? I beg to differ.

In other words, 99% of criminals have no excuse, even if they have been through hard times.

There's never an excuse, but it's human nature to want an acceptable standard of living, and in most cases, most people will measure their standard of living to the standard of living they experience all around them, for better or worse..
Cameron 1 | 9
1 Feb 2010 #68
Seanus:
Nobody needs to rob to survive?
Well...that's in a nutshell!

And most of the robbers are to lazy to do honest work....

a man who has nothing has nothing to lose.

Certain people do have to rob to survive, im not talking about making a career out of it but put food on the table.
convex 20 | 3,978
1 Feb 2010 #69
Where? In 3rd world countries where they don't pay you 575zl a month and give you a place to live, I would agree. What's the excuse for Poland?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,881
1 Feb 2010 #70
a man who has nothing has nothing to lose.

His dignity, his pride? His integrity???

Well....maybe he never had it then.
In our rich western societies nobody has to become a criminal to survive, period!
Just to be able to get the newest electronical gadget quicker than through work is NOT a reason.

(In Germany we have special social workers who run around and try to get the homeless people from the streets into state run homes, they would get all the help they need, from food to medical services etc. - many just don't want help! You can't always blame the state.)
z_darius 14 | 3,968
1 Feb 2010 #71
In our rich western societies nobody has to become a criminal to survive, period!

Wrong.
What about bankers and politicians? Huh?
convex 20 | 3,978
1 Feb 2010 #72
they don't have to be criminals, they do so because they like shiny things. just like the assclowns that rob houses.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #73
Arien put you to shame, jarnowa, so I'll be light. I was talking about the UK and the cost of living has really shot up. Ask ANY British member of the forum, many from poor housing estates often have at least 2 kids. They'll confirm that. You can't tell me that kids are cheap to raise, especially in England as education costs a lot later in life. There are just so many costs. Theft becomes a way of life for some.

I agree with Cameron. He is clearly in the know on this one.
Arien 3 | 721
1 Feb 2010 #74
He is clearly in the know on this one.

She?

Arien put you to shame, jarnowa, so I'll be light.

I didn't mean to, because despite of our disagreements, atleast he's honest about how he vieuws things, just speaking my mind that's all! (I allow myself to get carried away sometimes?)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #75
You are right. I hadn't dipped into her profile before ;) ;)

Nah, you are fine, as is he. He could do with being a little less assertive as we are all just relying on stats (which are often warped) and observations which are not as broad-based as they could be.
Arien 3 | 721
1 Feb 2010 #76
You are right. I hadn't dipped into her profile before ;) ;)

Always Seanus, always.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #77
Hey Missus, can I dip into your, um, ach forget it ;) ;)

One crime that is misunderstood is breach of the peace. I can guarantee you that it is broken more than most people realise. I had it as an exam question, albeit 11 years ago, although the inherent logic still applies. It is not one of those dynamic areas of law.

Corruption and bribery are on the decline here so that should put Poland further down the rankings ;)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,881
1 Feb 2010 #78
Wrong.
What about bankers and politicians? Huh?

I understand "trying to survive" as not knowing where and how to get some food on the table for the children tomorrow....and no, in the West there are enough state welfare and private charity organizations to help out. Nobody has to become criminal to survive here.

If he does he does so for own lower reasons...
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
1 Feb 2010 #79
Where is the ole USA, pretty violent here in the cities...For instance, out side of a high school in my neighborhood, just last week, two girls, with their respective gangs, engaged in a battle over remarks and 'disrespect' that they exchanged on their 'Facebook' sites...The result?...Three people shot...They were shvoogies, of course...The Whites are not quite as bad, yet.

Facebook shootings in Philadelphia:

philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100129_Gunfire_outside_Bartram_High_leaves_2_critical__girl_wounded.html
jarnowa 4 | 499
2 Feb 2010 #80
people who can't afford kids shouldn't make them.
it's stupid to make kids first and then find out that they cost too much.

yes, people can lose their jobs, but even in UK that doesn't mean they have to steal and rob for their food and shelter.

and housewives usually don't do serious crime. the robberies and stuff are usually done by youth who want the latest mobiles, money to buy expensive clothes and other blingbling to impress girls.

it's sad to see that you defend those "i am too lazy to work" criminals who don't care about making innocent victims.

but maybe your mild attitude towards these criminals is due to the fact that many of them are nonwhite?
Spaceman77 3 | 58
2 Feb 2010 #81
I say thats just a bunch of Crap.
I'm from Venezuela, and I can tell you that violence and crimes in Venezuela CAN NOT be less then in Poland.What they show on those sites is really laughable. There are 50 + murders in CARACAS ONLY every weekend. I can not imagine 50 + murders in Warsaw every weekend to place Poland as a more violent country then Venezuela. Come on!

I think Poland is one of the safest places on earth if you don't like to get in trouble.
If you don't like violence. You shall not find it.
convex 20 | 3,978
2 Feb 2010 #82
it's stupid to make kids first and then find out that they cost too much.

A-fukin-men
Iderta
2 Feb 2010 #83
Yes, just like in the awesome comedy IDIOCRACY
convex 20 | 3,978
2 Feb 2010 #84
Idiocracy is not a comedy, but a sad, sad documentary.
Iderta
2 Feb 2010 #85
Yes it is a sad documentary about wht United State had become
bookratt 6 | 85
2 Feb 2010 #86
Krakow is very safe---if you believe the stats produced for public consumption.

But it figures that since we moved here, my husband was attacked on the street and my son and I have been menaced walking back from the grocery store by drunks. That never happened when were back home---and he grew up in Youngstown, Ohio, which was once the murder capital of the US, and I grew up in the inner city, on the East side of Columbus, Ohio.

Bonus: The police simply would not come to us, where the crime occured. Would not go look for the suspects--though we explained they were standing in plain site at a bus stop, waiting to go after someone else. Would not come to our home afterwards. Then told us NOT to come to the police station--as no one speaks English there (THEY SAID IT, BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TRUE). Therefore, there is no offical Polish police report that this crime ever occured.

I wonder how many other incidents there are like this here? I do know of many (about 8) home invasions of occupied homes in Wola, where the police also refused to come out to investigate/take witness statements/make reports. Why is that? I am not being sarcastic, I do really want to know why. In the US, you call the police, they come. Period. Can't speak English? Okay, so what? They come anyway. And they come immediately, with lights flashing and sirens roaring.

My former Polish teacher said three people were murdered in the apartment building next to hers in 2008, and that this never made the news, either. Not the Polish or English speaking versions. I scoured them for days looking for it; only a consulate employee who knew about it and confirmed it, helped me out there.

Just saying---the absence of crime reportage does NOT equal the absence of crime. I do not believe that no news is good news. No news, to me, means: What are they hiding?

Certainly gun crimes are not as common here as in the US. That is true. But crime and violence do indeed occur here, and often.

My advice: Check with your consulate for accurate figures on this sort of thing. They keep detailed lists of all crimes reported to them by their citizens and it is often hair raising to see these.

Krakow is a large city, a tourist haven, a beautiful city full of people with money to spend, and places to spend it. I love living here, but those have always been reasons criminals gather in places like this. Pickpocketing, petit theft, car boot robberies, soccer violence (hooliganism), muggings, etc. It's all here, and that's not new information.

So be careful out there, just as you would in any city of this size, anywhere in the world.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
2 Feb 2010 #87
My advice: Check with your consulate for accurate figures on this sort of thing.

Pointless. Many foreigners will make up a crime report so that the real reason for them missing a watch/wallet/etc isn't found out. It's not uncommon for someone to have their property stolen while visiting a prostitute - only for them to report it to the embassy as "omg, someone stole my wallet" so their wife doesn't find out.

Poland is probably known for small, petty crime simply because big nasty crime doesn't tend to happen here. A murder is front page news - in London? Barely anyone cares.
Wroclaw Boy
2 Feb 2010 #88
Many foreigners will make up a crime report so that the real reason for them missing a watch/wallet/etc isn't found out. It's not uncommon for someone to have their property stolen while visiting a prostitute - only for them to report it to the embassy as "omg, someone stole my wallet" so their wife doesn't find out.

Sounds like a bit of inside knowledge there delphi, i disagree with the above totally. Youre always there batting for Poland with silly examples which although may be correct on some levels just arent realistic in the real world.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
2 Feb 2010 #89
Come on, it's common knowledge that foreigners will never admit the truth - are you really going to admit to your wife that you've spent 300 euro in a clip joint in Latvia, or are you going to claim that you got mugged and claim off the insurance?

I'm struggling to believe that 3 foreigners could get murdered without it being reported in the press as well. Look at the attention paid to that bloke who got himself drugged in Warsaw - I'm pretty certain the murder of a foreigner would be big news here.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
2 Feb 2010 #90
property stolen while visiting a prostitute - only for them to report it to the embassy as "omg, someone stole my wallet" so their wife doesn't find out.

It's true every time my wallet gets robbed I am with a prostitute, its uncanny :)

Come on, it's common knowledge that foreigners will never admit the truth

So it is foreigners that take Top place in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES!!!!
Damn those tourists!


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