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Poland: In Top First 15 Countries in the WORLD by the number of CRIMES


jarnowa 4 | 499
31 Jan 2010 #31
That UK, Belgium, France, Netherlands and Sweden score high in this list is not very surprising. All of these countries have a lot of immigrants from africa, caribean, turkey and arab world and it's a fact that those immigrants are far more criminal than Europeans.

But it's strange that Poland is in this list, because i feel here much more safe than in Antwerp, Rotterdam or London.
Wroclaw Boy
31 Jan 2010 #32
All of these countries have a lot of immigrants from africa, caribean, turkey and arab world and it's a fact that those immigrants are far more criminal than Europeans.

You'd think that but in my experience it was always the whites that carried out the most violent crimes. Pretty much all blacks, Pakies, Indians and foreigners in general that ive met and knwon are decent chaps especially when they realise your not racist.

As for Poland being dangerous yeh only when theres money involved.
jarnowa 4 | 499
31 Jan 2010 #33
You'd think that but in my experience it was always the whites that carried out the most violent crimes.

i wonder where you grew up, i can't think of any country where whites are more criminal than nonwhites.

Pretty much all blacks, Pakies, Indians and foreigners in general that ive met and knwon are decent chaps especially when they realise your not racist.

just because you met some nice ones, non-whites can't be more criminal than whites?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
31 Jan 2010 #34
i wonder where you grew up, i can't think of any country where whites are more criminal than nonwhites.

Poland? :)
Wroclaw Boy
31 Jan 2010 #35
i wonder where you grew up, i can't think of any country where whites are more criminal than nonwhites.

Southampton, England its no big secret.

just because you met some nice ones, non-whites can't be more criminal than whites?

What ever dude, i have many non white friends, decent people.

non-whites can't be more criminal than whites

Couldnt have said it better my self.
Think Twice
31 Jan 2010 #36
Southampton, England

Crime capital of England. lol.
jarnowa 4 | 499
31 Jan 2010 #37
Poland? :)

maybe you're right :)

but i think that's because most 3rd world immigrants to Poland will only have a temporary visa (unlike most immigrants to Belgium, Sweden, etc), so they risk their visa if they commit crimes.

and Wroclaw Boy, it's funny that you keep denying that some ethnic groups are more criminal than others.
Arien 3 | 721
31 Jan 2010 #38
That UK, Belgium, France, Netherlands and Sweden score high in this list is not very surprising.

Oh, you can tell me that again..

All of these countries have a lot of immigrants from africa, caribean, turkey and arab world and it's a fact that those immigrants are far more criminal than Europeans.

Ofcourse this doesn't mean that for example, the Dutch themselves don't commit any violent crimes, but in comparison, yes, the immigrants are more often involved in crimes or being suspected of committing a crime than Dutch people are.

Hm, I wonder why UK is #1 on that list. Another question will be, since when has it been that way?

It's just an article from the Daily Mail, but if you're interested in the real figures you should check the figures provided by Brussels. The United Kingdom and Holland are the most violent countries in Europe right now. Sadly, this has been the case for atleast the past five years, and I'm afraid Holland should've been number two on that list to make it accurate. The actual murder rates are much higher in the United Kingdom though, because knives aren't too popular over here.
Wroclaw Boy
31 Jan 2010 #39
and Wroclaw Boy, it's funny that you keep denying that some ethnic groups are more criminal than others.

Im not denying it, ethnic minorities are usually more criminally active due to their social circumstance. Im saying that most of the coloured fellas that i know are decent people. Another one that puts words into peoples mouthes.

Wroclaw Boy:
Southampton, England
Crime capital of England. lol.

LOL indeed Mark
jarnowa 4 | 499
1 Feb 2010 #40
ethnic minorities are usually more criminally active

now we agree! :)

due to their social circumstance

sorry, but that's bullsh#t. nobody needs to rob somebody to survive.
they want to be rich quick and they don't care about making innocent (usually white) victims.

Ofcourse this doesn't mean that for example, the Dutch themselves don't commit any violent crimes, but in comparison, yes, the immigrants are more often involved in crimes or being suspected of committing a crime than Dutch people are.

far more often yes, finally someone who doesn't run away for the truth! :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #41
Jarnowa, of course it's not BS and you have just shown a complete lack of understanding. Social circumstances play a major part in robbing and other crimes in GB. Nobody needs to rob to survive? Is your name Giertych or Thatcher? Want to be rich quick??? Many just want to make ends meet.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
1 Feb 2010 #42
I tell you what I find funny, this thread started out pointing the finger at Poland.
Saying it was one of the most violent places in the world and that crime here is some of the worst in the world.
Now that that is understood as BS people are continuing to look for the "evil" people and as Jarnowa is incapable of talking about anything else except for his hatred of other people, it has followed that we have gone from prejudice to prejudice hahaha
Arien 3 | 721
1 Feb 2010 #43
nobody needs to rob somebody to survive.

I agree with that sentiment, and I have every right to say this, because I've been through a lot, and I've been poorer than most of the spoiled brats who keep speak about poverty and minimum wage meatheads in a single breath..

It would definitely help everyone if people didn't humiliate others for not being successful or earning a minimum wage. It's honest work, and without them doing that work, all you mofo's who love degrading the less fortunate ones, wouldn't be living your little lives of luxury..

I like to think that everybody who works contributes something to our society, and they should recieve a normal treatment just like anyone else. Believe it or not, a lot of young guys and girls who are on minimum wage recieve a lousy treatment these days, and not too much recoqnition for all the useful things they do, and in a lot of cases they are humiliated.

Now imagine yourself working your ass off from early to late for less than the minimum sometimes, barely able to pay your rent, having no money for luxury articles, not even enough money to go out and socialize every Friday night, and being treated like you're the laughing stock of nowadays society by a lot of people. Imagine feeling used, and imagine having no chances whatsoever of recieving a permanent contract for all the hard work you do everyday. Imagine getting fired after 10 months, because someone else will take your place for the next 10 months. (Everybody knows you can't really build a future for yourself without a decent contract, or a long-term, stable income.)

All these things, and a whole lot more problems I didn't even mention, are exactly what could turn a potentially good and motivated young guy or girl into a potential criminal. Why? Because they feel used, disadvantaged, and treated unfairly. So if you're going to be completely honest about this, then yes, they are being used, and yes, they are being treated as worthless individuals by a lot of people.

If you'd ask me, then nothing justifies a life of crime, but what would you do if nobody cared, if almost everyone treated you like ****, and if you had no future perspective whatsoever? I'll tell you.. You'd be frustrated beyond and then some. You'd be angry as hell at society for not allowing you some sense of happiness. You'd feel hopeless aswell. You'd be desperate.

I've been there for ten long years, working from dusk 'till dawn, standing at the sideline, basically wasting away in loneliness, enduring the many insults from all these ''happy'' people who seem to have it all.

far more often yes, finally someone who doesn't run away for the truth! :)

I'm not going anywhere, but the question is, are you? Because I do have a problem with your simplistic black and white statements. In my opinion, everyone should be treated with respect, stand a fair chance, have atleast a few opportunities, recieve some help every now and then when things really go wrong, and last but not least, get a fair wage for the work they do on a daily basis.

Because? Well, people who aren't completely blind, should be able to figure out that minimum wages have been decreased gradually for over the last few decades, while middle class salaries have increased by 60%.

And now, the minimum wage meatheads, as some of you would call them, can pay the bankers who ruined their retirement funds. So basically, they steal from you twice, and these are the people who should tell you that you're a criminal if you steal from other people? I'm not going to justify crime, and I'm not going to justify their behaviour either, so get used to my outbursts if they trouble you.. Because I'm only talking about what I've been through myself, what I can see around me daily with my own two eyes, while they're making up false numbers, and present a twisted version of the truth. My verdict? You can't complain about criminals - regardless of which nationality they have! - if you're a criminal yourself.

See, just because all the rules they've made to help themselves, and just because a few politicians allow them to get away with everything, doesn't mean that it's right or even legal..

Social circumstances play a major part in robbing and other crimes in GB. Nobody needs to rob to survive? Is your name Giertych or Thatcher? Want to be rich quick??? Many just want to make ends meet.

Damn right. I really don't know what I would've resorted to if I had a baby girl or boy, so in sense I'm lucky I didn't!

Anyway, I'm happy to tell you that things are going much better for me now, and I think I need to chill out for a while? (This whole subject is my Achilles heel really!) I will never forget all of that though, and I guess I'll always rub these things in your face if you think you can just place the blame on people when you have virtually no idea about their situation.. It's just too easy! (It's just one of those typical excuses that some spoiled brat would make if you'd ask me!)

No offense to anyone who simply doesn't know, nevermind.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
1 Feb 2010 #44
Evidently Haiti is safer than Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #45
Nobody needs to rob to survive?

Well...that's in a nutshell!

And most of the robbers are to lazy to do honest work....often enough they regard those who work for their bread as idiots.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #46
We must avoid blanket statements here. Arien is right to say that we all have different functions based on our character or experience. I would never look down on a scaffie (garbage disposal man) as, without his like, we would have masses of stinky rubbish left to rot on the streets. There is social utility there.

BB, it can be country specific. I've heard that job creation in Germany isn't a strong point at the moment. When there are too many people chasing too few jobs, some lose out but that doesn't detract from the fact that life costs and why should they miss out on a family life and all it brings? How do you know about those robbers? Have you met them personally? Have you detailed files on their background? More and more studious and decent people are losing out these days and some rob. Finally, blame the state and not them. In Britain, we make it more desirable not to work through the giving of generous benefits.

The morality of many here stops some criminal acts from being performed. However, Poles have to continue to create a favourable image of their country and enjoy the good things. Otherwise, mass disillusionment will set in and life will be seen as a drag. Studying requirements drain the life out of many Poles and the job future isn't bright for many. Unemployment, though lower than it was, is still quite high. Many factors can lead to a building up of tension and possible criminality. The key is to avoid those traps as best possible.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #47
BB, it can be country specific. I've heard that job creation in Germany isn't a strong point at the moment.

I had Germany in mind when I say nobody needs to rob to survive! ;)

How do you know about those robbers? Have you met them personally? Have you detailed files on their background? More and more studious and decent people are losing out these days and some rob. Finally, blame the state and not them.

And no, I blame the robbers - everybody is master over his decisions!
When one robs or decides for another crime against his fellow man the last thing he deserves is our compassion and sympathy.
That should be spared for people who struggle through life and still stay honest!

Just imagine the hellhole our world would be if everybody once the life becomes bumpy decides to become a criminal!
A society needs common values to work...not sympathy with criminals.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #48
Everybody? So psychologically insane people are nobody? Substantially diminished is nobody too? I know what you are saying, though, and agree with it.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #49
So psychologically insane people are nobody?

Well, that might excuse their robbery as they are juristically not fully accountable but they also wouldn't need to rob to survive (at least not in Germany).
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #50
So you eliminated poverty completely? Congratulations! ;) ;)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #51
Nah...;)

But, most poor people don't become criminals!
Those deserve our support and sympathy....not the few who decide for the easy way out.
Think about it, if you sympathize with those few you back slap all in the face who struggle to stay honest..
Harry
1 Feb 2010 #52
Wroclaw Boy:
Southampton, England

Crime capital of England. lol.

Actually Mark, Southampton is the third most dangerous city in the UK. The only places where you are more likely to be a victim of violent crime are north Manchester and Sheffield. It seems that you know as much about England as you do about property prices in Krakow.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #53
What is the reason for that, BB? Quite a few poor people in the UK become criminals due to social deprivation. It would be fair to say that they commit different, though a broader range of crimes than richer folk. Let's say crime as it is commonly known through association.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #54
Quite a few poor people in the UK become criminals due to social deprivation.

Not due social deprivation but due the weakness of their character.
Why do you think most people suffering social deprivation still don't become criminals?
(But also rich people become criminals - often only another type of crime. It's not a financial matter but a matter of character/upbringing)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #55
Well, it's a bit of both really. Percentage-wise, most crimes in the UK are committed by those from working-class backgrounds in poorer areas. Weakness of their characters undoubtedly plays a part but I'd say that social deprivation is more of a factor in the UK.

That's what I said, BB, different crimes and not the standard assault, theft and tyre stabbing etc etc.
convex 20 | 3,978
1 Feb 2010 #56
Well, it's a bit of both really. Percentage-wise, most crimes in the UK are committed by those from working-class backgrounds in poorer areas. Weakness of their characters undoubtedly plays a part but I'd say that social deprivation is more of a factor in the UK.

It's one thing for people to steal because they have to eat, quite another if they have to steal to buy crap. Could one survive in the UK without working? Is there any justifiable financial reason to steal in the UK?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #57
Weakness of their characters undoubtedly plays a part but I'd say that social deprivation is more of a factor in the UK.

There will always be a criminal percentage in a society Seanie....as long as a healthy society does not admire them as a kind of anti-hero or sympathize with them they will stay at the despised fringe where they belong....or otherwise a lazy yob could think "Hey why go to school and toil at a unloved job, let's rob someone, it isn't so bad!"
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #58
BB, for sure. That's not in any doubt. The reasons are many and varied. Deterrents, combined with reform and the creation of opportunities help but 'sometimes bad is bad'.

Convex, many get benefits in the UK and survival isn't so hard if you live in the right way.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,423
1 Feb 2010 #59
Deterrents, combined with reform and the creation of opportunities help but 'sometimes bad is bad'.

Fully agree! :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 Feb 2010 #60
So when are you coming to Poland to get your car back, BB? ;) ;)


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