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Thousands of teachers to lose their jobs in Poland


Harry
21 Jun 2017 #1
Here's yet another of the 'good' changes which the Party is bringing to Poland! As part of their drive to recreate the PRL but with a different Party and a different First Secretary of the Party, PIS have decided to take the education system back to the way it was in the PRL. That is against the professional opinions of the vast majority of professionals working in education, but it's what First Secretary of the Party Chairman Kaczynski wants, so it's happening. Unfortunately it means that hundreds of schools will be shut.

Unsurprisingly, closing those schools means that more than ten thousand teachers and other school staff will lose their jobs at the start of the next school year. And tens of thousands more will have their hours cut to part-time or need to work in multiple schools in order to have a full-time contract. Clearly dogma is more important to the PiSlamic State than education or jobs.

There's a rather biased article here: thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/312573,Thousands-of-teachers-to-lose-jobs-teachers-union-head
The article doesn't mention the news that all directors and deputy-directors of all schools in Poland will need to reapply for their jobs, with predictable results.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
21 Jun 2017 #2
Here's yet another of th

commie propaganda BS. Predicable and disgusting.
jon357 63 | 14,254
21 Jun 2017 #3
Thousands of teachers

Those thousands all vote and have whole families who vote - not a great idea by the PiS junta.
OP Harry
21 Jun 2017 #4
not a great idea by the PiS junta.

Yes, which is why nearly a million Poles signed a petition asking for a referendum on the reforms. But it seems that the PiSlamic State only likes referendums where the result will support what the First Secretary of the Party Chairman Kaczynski has already decided is going to happen.
terri 1 | 1,632
21 Jun 2017 #5
You are very much mistaken. Kaczynski is the Official Ruler of Poland.
NoToForeigners 7 | 1,024
21 Jun 2017 #6
So much money will be saved after closing all those obsolete gimnazjums invented by the former useless govt. Big chunk of that money will go to poor families and their children. Great Job PiS.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
21 Jun 2017 #7
Yes, which is why nearly a million Poles signed a petition asking for a referendum on the reforms.

Clearly Szydło (who promised to listen to Poles) has no interest in listening to the people.

By the way, two separate polls on the issue have confirmed that around 60% of Poles want a referendum on the matter, while only 30% don't want one. No doubt plenty of angry parents and their childrne will represent a significant electoral bloc next year.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
21 Jun 2017 #8
Those thousands all vote and have whole families who vote -

They are PO voters anyway. Redundant pen-pusher in a school administration not teachers.

has no interest in listening to the people.

Quite the opposite those reforms are supported by the majority.
mafketis 21 | 7,448
21 Jun 2017 #9
Kaczynski is the Official Ruler of Poland.

No. He's the real ruler but faces no legal responisibility for his actions. It's that rotten PRL model all over again.

Redundant pen-pusher in a school administration not teachers.

And the mask falls and the hatred for large swathes of the polish population shines through...

those reforms are supported by the majority

of one. the only one who matters, Comrade Kaczyński! Loved by all komuchy
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
21 Jun 2017 #10
They are PO voters anyway. Redundant pen-pusher in a school administration not teachers.

Really shows how little you care about Polish families, doesn't it? Of course, your hatred of teachers is nothing new on here.

Quite the opposite those reforms are supported by the majority.

Anything to be contrary, eh Ironside?

CBOS themselves found that 60% of voters want a referendum on the matter. That clearly means that the majority want to have their say on the matter, and now they're going to be denied that say.
mafketis 21 | 7,448
21 Jun 2017 #11
Really shows how little you care about Polish families

He really cares about.... some Polish families. The rest can starve for all he cares. A Pole hating patriot.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
21 Jun 2017 #12
A Pole hating patriot.

Quite common story, it seems. Many good teachers will be losing their jobs, while young teachers are also leaving to move into the corporate world simply because there's no guarantee that the profession won't become highly politicised.
OP Harry
22 Jun 2017 #13
young teachers are also leaving to move into the corporate world simply because there's no guarantee that the profession won't become highly politicised.

Exactly. Now that school directors and deputy directors will be appointed on the basis of their loyalty to the Party and their personal loyalty to the First Secretary of the Party Chairman Kaczynski, the profession is pretty much guaranteed to become utterly politicised and one's ability to do one's job will become very much secondary to one's willingness to indoctrinate children and inform on one's colleagues, just as it was during the PRL years. So no wonder that those who did well and whose parents did well in the PRL support the changes.

A Pole hating patriot.

All supporters of the PiSlamic State are exactly that; if you ever forget that fact, just look at the posts of 'Polish' Po.
Ironside 48 | 9,888
22 Jun 2017 #14
And the mask falls and the hatred for large swathes of the polish population shines through

Would you be able to explain in what world facts are expression of feelings?

of one. the only one who matters,

No, there is not only one who matters. That reform was long in coming and sought after by those who knew what is what. It has a quite a number of people who support it. Those are facts. Its a pity if that messes up with your business plan. You'll do OK, no doubt.

Of course, your hatred of teachers is nothing new on here.

Thanks, you gave me a long heartily laugh, its healthy - or so they say.

Really shows how little you care about Polish families, doesn't it?

I care for all those families who cannot afford a private education for their children. They offspring's education should be the best possible. Well, that reform is to ensure just that.

He really cares about.... some Polish families. The rest can starve for all he cares.

Are you Bernie Sanders supported by any chance? The state should employ people to keep fed and watered? Is that a commie idea?
Anyway if your theory is true they'll be better off on their own, they can spread their wings ... all that industry, education, abilities and success under their belts Talking about the PO supporting kind contrary to all those losers and socialists supporting PiS.

~lets call it an empirical test. After all sitting on a government paid job and supported by your party cronies one can talk big. They can talk the talk can they .....?

Many good teachers will be losing their jobs

According to some politically biased claims. Only people loosing their jobs are people in school administration. All the rest is just a scaremongering . Dirty tricks and propaganda in short commie BS.

Now that school directors and deputy directors will be appointed on the basis of their loyalty to the Party

Hmm ... is that a fact? Are you trying to tell me that PO has not been doing that for a long time? How is that new?

Please cut down on your number of quotes, I won't let it go next time
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
22 Jun 2017 #15
Dirty tricks and propaganda in short commie BS.

It's really a shame that you're so blinded by ideology that you're willing to lie through your teeth just for the sake of said ideology.

I know 4 teachers that have lost their jobs as a result of the deform. Consider this an open invitation to come and tell them that they're just "school administration".
Ironside 48 | 9,888
22 Jun 2017 #16
I know 4 teachers that have lost their jobs as a result of the deform

First of all:
Cannot teachers work in a school administration? Even thought, few teachers might lose their job. I'm sure it is a small price to pay for better education.

After all schools exists to provide education for children and not to keep teachers in employment.
mafketis 21 | 7,448
22 Jun 2017 #17
it is a small price to pay for better education

Better how? Poland's pisa scores have improved since the introduction of gymnasia, if they start falling will you be happy?
Atch 17 | 2,913
23 Jun 2017 #18
Well, that reform is to ensure just that.

The reforms haven nothing to do with private versus public education. It's about changing the whole approach to state education and to the curriculum and returning it to what it was more than twenty years ago, when it was actually a failing system producing poor results.

The education presently offered in Polish state schools which most people attend, is good and the best way to ensure that continues to be the case is to build on the present model and improve it even further. It does not help to dismantle an existing system which has been in place less than twenty years and take a step backwards. It certainly does not help Polish children to be taught less science - which is one of the proposed changes to curriculum - in favour of more history.
mafketis 21 | 7,448
23 Jun 2017 #19
It's about changing the whole approach to state education and to the curriculum

Yep. The goal is to actively dumb people down to produce the kind of mindless support for the government that the PRL tried for. PiS = PRL

worldbank.org/en/news/opinion/2016/01/22/polands-education-system-leading-in-europe

Doesn't support the idea of Polish education as failing (well it probably seemed that way to the PiS core constituency of losers).
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #20
Better how? Poland's pisa scores have improved since the introduction of gymnasia, if they start falling will you be happy?

Poland's PISA scores where the highest a couple of years ago and are now falling
Atch 17 | 2,913
23 Jun 2017 #21
If that's the case (source please and details, which subject areas, how much of a fall etc), then the response should be to analyse the fall, try to find the reason and deal with it by adapting, not dismantle your entire education system from primary up to Matura and return to an old system that produced even worse results.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #22
source please and details,

wyborcza.pl/1,76842,15739336,Polskie_nastolatki_nie_umieja_rozwiazywac_problemow.html
this article is about the 2014 PiSA test
the 2016 test was even worse
mafketis 21 | 7,448
23 Jun 2017 #23
Poland's PISA scores where the highest a couple of years ago and are now falling

So... what you're saying is they peaked in the PO era and are now falling in the PiS era.... interesting.....

he 2016 test was even worse

there's a trend for ya!
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #24
he 2016 test was even worse

do you have reading difficulties ? - the article was about 2014 and it was long before PiS was in power also PiS couldn't have screwed up education in just a year because they introduced no major change there to affect the PiSA results of 2016 - actually in less than a year cause PISA test take place in April from what I can gather and PiS gained power in November 2015
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #25
do you have reading difficulties ?

i co głupio ci?

this is how prejudice works - sometimes true sometimes kulą w płot - the sooner you leave your prejudice against PiS the better for your mental and emotional health mafketis
Atch 17 | 2,913
23 Jun 2017 #26
Gumi you're taking a very superficial view of things and like so many, you simply read one article somewhere and see it as the whole story. You don't mention the year 2015 in which an OECD study showed that Poland was ranked fifth in Europe and eleventh in the world, ahead of both the UK and the USA. However, "Polish schools now need to focus more on group interaction, the ability to take risks and thinking outside the box," said Joanna Dębek of the Ministry of Education. Unfortunately the charming people at Wyborcza want me to pay to read the article in full which I am not preparef to do but the gist of it seems to be about poor problem solving and applying theoretical knowledge in practical form, exactly what the Minister was mentioning, which will now take an even bigger step backwards under the proposed changes.
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #27
which will now take an even bigger step backwards under the proposed changes.

where do you draw this conlclusion from? I don't see any connection to be honest
mafketis 21 | 7,448
23 Jun 2017 #28
And remember that the current minister of education repeatedly said that no teachers would lose their jobs as a result of the reform.

This means she was either outright openly lying or incompetent. Which is it?
gumishu 11 | 5,017
23 Jun 2017 #29
And remember that the current minister of education repeatedly said that no teachers would lose their jobs as a result of the reform.

ok - I don't follow the news everyday - so is it now official that thousands of teachers would lose jobs or is it some Wyborcza speculation z sufitu?
OP Harry
23 Jun 2017 #30
This means she was either outright openly lying or incompetent. Which is it?

More probably she was simply reading the script which the First Secretary of the Party Chairman Kaczynski gave her and didn't care whether it was true or not. While that would be incompetence in most jobs, in the PiSlamic State it's grounds for being appointed to a taxpayer-funded job that pays tens of thousands of zloty per month.


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