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Stronger Russia, safer Poland, in world that globalize - is this be truth?


Niko
4 Nov 2015 #31
Anyway, reunion or alliance with Russians is not possible now. Maybe our children in 20 years or so.
Remember the saying?
"Screw me once? Shame on you!
Screw me twice? Shame on me!"
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
4 Nov 2015 #32
Arabia sponsors terrorism

But the Saudis are anti-ISIS. Rarely in life is there a 100% win-win situation. Most everything has its down side.
gregy741 4 | 1,204
4 Nov 2015 #33
But the Saudis are anti-ISIS

huh?da hell u talking about?
OP Crow 137 | 7,999
4 Nov 2015 #34
Anyway, reunion or alliance with Russians is not possible now. Maybe our children in 20 years or so.

Why reunion or alliance with Russians, ever? i mean, maybe one day if conditions exist. Today don`t exist, nor are viable in even far future. Its much better for Poland and Russia to learn at least to live as normal neighbors. Much better that Russia have Eurasian Union and Poland to have Intermarium.

But the Saudis are anti-ISIS.

even birds knows that are Saudis pro-Anglo and that are Anglos behind ISIS. Sad circle of interests. Its all very ugly to me
whocares
4 Nov 2015 #35
Its mind boggling what you can read on here sometimes.

Saudis help Poland to become independent of Russian oil.

This is very bad news. Saudis/Wahhabis are the most radical Muslims and they fund most of the terror especially in the Middle East.
Only insane countries like US keep them as close allies.
I would rather Poland get oil from anywhere else.

Anyway, reunion or alliance with Russians is not possible now. Maybe our children in 20 years or so.

NO ONE is asking for union with Russia. It would simply mean Russian dominance and Poland slave. (No Pole wants this).
Crow has been here years and he suggest Miedzymorze/Intermarium group (which excludes Russia).
However, improving slightly relations with them is important. I dont want Russian missiles landing on Poland because of hawkish administration ruling Poland ****** them off so much.

huh?da hell u talking about?

Americans have allies like Saudis and Pakistan. These two countries are far more "dictatorship" than Russia,
but heh what the hell they are American allies!

Fox News brainwashes much of their right wing just like CNN brainwashes left wing.
Regardless Saudis were very instrumental in creating ISIS.

American foreign policy is extremely dangerous.
bigfoot
4 Nov 2015 #36
I don't think there will be a Russia in 20 years to unite with: the billion + Chinese will retake Siberia while the dwindling Russian army wastes itself, asserting its nonexistent glory in places like Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnya.

Meanwhile with oil being commoditized the way it is, the Russian economy will soon be on par with places like Sri Lanka and Kenya. Only with really crappy weather.
Polsyr 6 | 769
5 Nov 2015 #37
Wahhabis are the most radical Muslims

Some people will readily justify an alliance with the devil himself if it even temporarily serves to keep another enemy in check or achieve short term goals.
OP Crow 137 | 7,999
5 Nov 2015 #38
My gift to Anglos of this forum. For no matter all, it is truth- as long Russia exist, Anglos can`t completely enslave us Slavs. It is also truth that Russia itself tried to dominate rest of the Slavs but, let us hope that Russia learned and that now wants fair business. Let Poles and Russians give hands to each others and, let be Intermarium around Poland and Eurasian Union around Russia, as two great Slavic conglomerates that knows to coexist in peace.

youtube.com/watch?v=9RYPGOKkN2k
Ktos 17 | 456
6 Nov 2015 #39
Putin will not be at power at the end of this year anymore.

I will quote this comment from now on until the end of the year, so that your western dreams surely happen, you know it all so it must be right.
Borsukrates
6 Nov 2015 #40
Quite the opposite. Poland, now more than ever, is on the crossroads between east and west, north and south. The new Chinese Silk Road is supposed to end here. Russia wants more of the polish land, because their soil is bad for agriculture and they want more sea access.

Russia doesn't see Poland as an equal. They think it's a servant of USA, their lap dog. Just read what russian trolls are writing in comments under articles.

The position of current Poland is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing, because it controls the crossroads. A curse, because local powers will want to control it. So whether it's a curse or a blessing depends on how strong Poland is. If Poland is weak - it's a curse. If it's strong and can defend itself - it's a blessing. Strong Russia will want to expand. Weak one would let polish buisnesses to expand east.

It's also a mistake to think Putin's fall would change much. It's just the way Russians /are/, the way they /think/. They think of themselves as an imperium. A 80 year old "babushka" may not have much to eat, or may not afford medicine, but she will chant "Krym nasz!" ("Crimea Ours") like a football fan. Another "Putin" will pop up. Russians like to be ruled with an iron fist, they fear a change of rulers because Russia is fundamentally not a democracy. One of biggest advantages of democracy it that it allows the change of rulers without violence. Historically, rulers couldn't be changed in Russia without violence, because it's a dictatorship.

As for Saudi Arabia sponsoring terrorism, what is Russia doing in Ukraine through "little green men" ? It's better to depend on Saudi gas a little, and Russian gas a little, than strongly depend on only one of them. Russia has a history of using their gas supply as a lever - threaten turning it off, etc. Also, Poland is not likely to accumulate many Muslims, because - frankly - it's not an attractive, wealthy country. All the greedy, lazy Muslims will go to the countries with most generous free welfare. Poland will be free from the bad kind of migrants because it's so unattractive.

Recommended reading + youtube videos: Jacek Bartosiak, Narodowe Centrum Studiów Strategicznych. He has extremely interesting lectures (in polish) about geopolitics and position of Poland in the world.

Ryszard Kapuściński - "Imperium"
Velund 1 | 532
10 Nov 2015 #41
They think of themselves as an imperium.

Simply the way to survive for a huge country with ~200 nationalities, most of which is indigenous on the land they live.

A 80 year old "babushka" may not have much to eat, or may not afford medicine, but she will chant "Krym nasz!" ("Crimea Ours") like a football fan. .

Let's look at Polish "babushka" once Lwów will return to Poland.

One of biggest advantages of democracy it that it allows the change of rulers without violence. Historically, rulers couldn't be changed in Russia without violence, because it's a dictatorship.

Do you think that changing rulers every few years is a must for any country?
Levi 12 | 450
7 Jan 2016 #42
moved from

PiS was called "Russophobes" that are going to start the war with Russia over the years and now nasty propagandists change the tune 180 degrees because somehow now we must hide under the skirt of Mutti Merkel or else big evil Russia will eat us alive.

Well said.

First they called PiS russophobes, now they call PiS Pro-Russia. Those leftwings are like headless chickens.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
7 Jan 2016 #43
There were also articles that Bundeswehra is deteriorating and incapable of helping Poland in case NATO was attacked.

Indeed, yet PiS have actually cut the military budget - again - helping Russia.

How long before they start appealing to Putin to help 'defend' Polish interests against the evil West?
Levi 12 | 450
7 Jan 2016 #44
You're Brazilian and living off Saudi money, so you obviously know nothing about how Russia has been repeatedly threatening and insulting Poland.

You try to argument with me saying that i dont know how bigger threat Russia is than Saudi Arabia because i am living in Saudi.

So i could say the same, and say that your are saying BS because you are a turkish living in Europe, so you have no idea how big threat to Poland (and to Europe as a whole) is Saudi Arabia.

That is why Ad Hominem arguments are so dumb. It is easy to contradict yourself like you just done.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
7 Jan 2016 #45
You try to argument with me saying that i dont know how bigger threat Russia is than Saudi Arabia because i am living in Saudi.

Exactly. From the Polish point of view, Russia has threatened Poland repeatedly over the last few years. Saudi Arabia hasn't.

Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia didn't have missiles pointed straight at Polish cities. Russia does.
Levi 12 | 450
7 Jan 2016 #46
Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia didn't have missiles pointed straight at Polish cities. Russia does.

Saudi Arabia right now have around 5000 radicalized soldiers less than 200 KM from Poland, all of them protected dearly by Angela Merkel.

Saudi Arabia and Merkel are much bigger treat to Poland (and Europe) than Russia.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
7 Jan 2016 #47
Saudi Arabia and Merkel are much bigger treat to Poland (and Europe) than Russia.

I see you didn't read the links. If you think that missiles pointed straight at Poland aren't a threat, you're living in a fantasy land.

Saudi Arabia right now have around 5000 radicalized soldiers less than 200 KM from Poland, all of them protected dearly by Angela Merkel.

Prove it.
G (undercover)
7 Jan 2016 #48
missiles pointed straight at Poland

Missiles can be re-configurated within minutes. It's totally irrelevant where they are pointed at this moment. Besides they will be "pointed straight at Poland" unless we leave NATO.

BTW If PiS is so "pro-Russian" then why Russian "missiles are pointed straight at Poland" :))))) ? Ever heard about logic :))) ?
Levi 12 | 450
7 Jan 2016 #49
BTW If PiS is so ...

Good Point. As i said, it is funny to see the lefties contradict themselves.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
7 Jan 2016 #50
then why Russian "missiles are pointed straight at Poland" :))))) ?

Think about it, Greggy. All those reports came out during the PO government. There's been nothing since - which very clearly suggests that Russia is happy with their new puppet Polish government. All those demands for a NATO base were just hot air, meanwhile, Poland went about undermining the NATO centre to help Russia.

Don't worry. We know and understand your real agenda, which is promoting a pro-Kremlin policy under the guise of being pro-Polish.
G (undercover)
7 Jan 2016 #51
All those reports came out during the PO government.

So missiles are not pointed "straight at Poland" anymore :)))))) ?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
7 Jan 2016 #52
Heard anything from Russia since the election, have you?

I find it hilarious how you and other "patriots" suddenly defend doing deals with Russia because it's PiS doing the deals.
G (undercover)
7 Jan 2016 #53
Heard anything from Russia since the election, have you?

You mean they don't threaten to nuke us anymore ?


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