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Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers?


jon357 63 | 14,124
5 Feb 2013  #61
Are you defending Mr Get Quick Rich because he is Jewish like you

Stuff like that would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Would ABP and Silvercrest buy and pay for sh*t if a Polish company wrapped it and labelled as beef too ?

It looks like they did exactly that.

Every part of the product is sampled and tested in Polish companies and we know what we eat .

Evidently you don't. You certainly seem to have forgotten about that meat scandal in Konstańcin not that long ago.

Smacznego!
monia 3 | 212
5 Feb 2013  #62
It looks like they did exactly that.

No comment and further discussion with people like you because it is just a waste of my time .
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
5 Feb 2013  #63
I think you know that isn't true.

If you supply yourself in Polish shops in the UK then you're right, it's not true. If you buy in Poland that's a different story. In Britain there's Asda and there's Waitrose, most groceries in those Polish shpos are the cheapest possible stuff sold for a tenfold of their Polish price
jon357 63 | 14,124
5 Feb 2013  #64
There's something in that. As far as meat is concerned, one I like in Poland is the choice of good wędliny, if you're prepared to spend a bit more, it's possible to find very good stuff. The cheap stuff is rubbish. In Britain not wedliny (especially from supermarkets) can be dodgy - best to avoid unless you know an artisan who makes it. The fresh meat shops however tend to be much better.

The moral of the story is that anything can be put into processed food and nobody knows until a quality control audit.

No comment and further discussion with people like you because it is just a waste of my time .

You mean your nonsense was exposed for what it is. Nonsense.
OP peterweg 36 | 2,316
5 Feb 2013  #65
Monia I did not create the title of the tread.

Funny enough neither did I- the mods must have created it.

Precisely. Who do you trust more - a country like the UK who have a history of complete openness about food scares, or Poland?

You joking? this is the country who gave the world BSE. And now UK and Irish companies sourced meat anonymously which contained suspect materials and stamped 100% Irish/British Beef on it.

The moral of the story is that anything can be put into processed food and nobody knows until a quality control audit.

Damn right. This sort of thing has been going on for ever, all over the world. The meat industry 'money launders' meat products to hide what and where it comes from.

Why did a Irish company with abattoir in Poland buy product outside its factory? because it, like many other meat producers before it, are long term specialists at passing off crap as food..

UK food manufacturers have promised that they check the source of their food and yet again, its been shown to be a lie. Even MacDonalds are selling horse..
Ironside 48 | 9,750
5 Feb 2013  #66
ho do you trust more - a country like the UK who have a history of complete openness about food scares, or Poland?

I don't give a damn about all this situations. It is obvious that governments in question and companies are doing everything to blame somebody else, just that stigma wouldn't be attached to their firm or their country. As it is not good for business.

What is funny that horse meant is the least harmful of crap they put in the cheap food. It wound;t be pass them to use that horse meant issue as a cover of something more sinister.

To the point:
Who do you trust more?We are talking politicians here, right? Neither both are capable of doing and saying anything as long as they can get away with.

As to your points jon!The fact that you trust the UK more do not influence facts it just make you biased. As long as you admitting that to be the truth - there is no conflict.:)
Wroclaw 44 | 5,388
5 Feb 2013  #67
as horses are treated in Poland very specially with great sentiment .

you obviously don't remember the 'made in Poland' posters then.
Ironside 48 | 9,750
5 Feb 2013  #68
horse meat is not poisonous , but Poles don`t consume it as horses are treated in Poland very specially with great sentiment

no, some do, yes.
hudsonhicks 21 | 346
6 Feb 2013  #69
Didn't surprise me one bit when i read about it.

Poland is a corrupt mess of a nation. Their people are opportunists and will stop at nothing to make a dollar.
They're over here (UK) fccking each other on a daily basis for cash.
jon357 63 | 14,124
6 Feb 2013  #70
You joking? this is the country who gave the world BSE

They didn't actually 'give the world BSE', it was around a long time before that outbreak. They were however completely open about it. No whitewash, supermarket shelves empty, and the world media being answered rather than fobbed off. And now people know it is safe.

It is obvious that governments in question and companies are doing everything to blame somebody else, just that stigma wouldn't be attached to their firm or their country.

Several firms are doing that. Only one country.

he routine usage of medications in horses banned in food animals, and the lack of tracking of this usage in horses. Unlike livestock raised for food, where all potential medications are tested for withdrawal times; approved or banned for usage, and vigilantly tracked for each animal, there is no way to guarantee which medications have or have not been used in a particular horse

Spot on. Fallen racehorses may be flown to Paris by lunchtime. There's no suggestion though that the Polish company was using Nijinsky.

Really the best way forward is to forget the normal Polish bureaucratic obfuscation and be completely open and pro-active about it. Only then will consumers in such an important market start to trust the rest of Polish meat products again.

It seems that some people prefer to get outraged at a perceived slight at their country than safeguard the livelihoods of people who work in the industry.
jasondmzk
6 Feb 2013  #71
I'd eat a horse. Not if I knew it, first. But I guess that goes with most meat. Can't be any worse than emu or bison. Mr. Ed kinda got on my nerves. I'd definitely eat him.
smurf 39 | 1,981
6 Feb 2013  #72
Somebody is obviously telling porky pies.

"We're no longer talking about trace amounts of horse DNA in product. We're talking about horsemeat. Somebody, someplace, is drip-feeding horsemeat into the burger manufacturing industry. We don't know exactly where this is happening. All the documentary checks that we have on these shipments show they have come from Poland"

emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/ireland-vows-to-id-source-of-horsemeat-labeled-polish-beef-2013-02-06-1.493988

Since this source is neither Irish, British nor Polish I could say it's far less biased in its reporting.

I don't know who to believe at the minute, paper work can easily be forged and meat producers in Ireland have done it in the past unfortunately.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
6 Feb 2013  #73
Somebody is obviously telling porky pies

More likely Pony Pies.

The thing is, it doesn't matter where the meat came from, it matters where they were truned into burgers and where they were packaged.

Horse meat is ok, safe to eat etc. the point is that it was sold to a misled public.

seems you can mislead the folk to horse and make them eat.
jon357 63 | 14,124
6 Feb 2013  #74
the point is that it was sold to a misled public.

Spot on.

seems you can mislead the folk to horse and make them eat.

My Lidl Pony.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
6 Feb 2013  #75
My Lidl Pony.

Love it!

Did you hear that the veggy burgers contain uniquorn?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,665
6 Feb 2013  #76
damn I was racking my brains for the next pony burger joke, and you beat me to it! and so well!
Trevek 26 | 1,702
6 Feb 2013  #77
and you beat me to it! and so well!

I was handed that one on a plate, so my veggy hasn't beat your meat :-)
OP peterweg 36 | 2,316
6 Feb 2013  #78
They didn't actually 'give the world BSE', it was around a long time before that outbreak.

Thats the biggest mis-description of the BSE criss I've ever heard. I could call it a lie, but maybe you have no idea how utterly wrong that is.

The UK beef industry converted sheep scrapie (known for 200years) into BSE by feeding infected sheeps brains to cattle. Cutting the temperature during rendering probably triggered the outbreak. BSE definitely started in the UK

They and the UK government denied it was a problem for years.

Selwyn Gummer infamously fed his own daughter a beef burger in front of the camera's in a vain attempt to prove that British Beef was safe

newscientist.com/article/dn91-bse-disaster-the-history.html

Eventual British Beef was banned world wide, (it lasted 10 years in the EU), when they could no longer cover it up. UK beef is still banned in many countries such as the USA and Russia..

To this day the UK public has a very low opinion of the safety of UK food, selling horsemeat as UK beef will re-enforce that distrust.

BTW, horsemeat has also been found in Spanish burgers, its probably all over Europe but other countries will not check for it..they arn't stupid.

Mad cow - crazy cat

The first hint that humans could be affected came in 1990, when a Siamese cat called Max fell ill with the feline version of BSE. That same year, scientists showed that the disease could be orally transmitted to mice.

monia 3 | 212
7 Feb 2013  #79
I could call it a lie, but maybe you have no idea how utterly wrong that is.

You are right Peter, he ( Jon 357 lies and he does it for purpose . His main task here is to ridicule Poles , disparage them , humiliate and degrade our nation .

This guy Jon 357 distorts facts and he finds a great peasure in it . His hatred for Poland is the same as that of infamous Harry, at last banned for good . I can`t understand why others are not banned , they put off other people from this forum . Many people don`t post here because of tremendous bad immage they give to this forum for new posters . They should be banned for constant lying and misleading people .I `ve stopped too for half a year because of them .

What does this guy contribute for this forum , nothing just invectives and lies.

Poland is a corrupt mess of a nation.

You are very wrong hudsonhicks . Sometimes it happens but on the same scale like in UK .

You see no measure can be taken to assess the level of corruption only a proxy , which is nothing but probability . If someone thinks he can bribe a policemen or a doctor in Poland , do it and you will be charged of bribery . Our prosecutors are very serious about it . What was our infamous past no longer exists .
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
7 Feb 2013  #80
Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers

Jeez, this story doesnt wanna go away. Especially since it supposedly is healthier than beef and pork while being cheaper.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

Poland didn't put it in the burgers the countries who bought the horses from Poland did.
Marek11111 9 | 816
7 Feb 2013  #81
Look at the bright side the horse meat is healthier for you and you will not get the mad cow disease, I would start worrying if you start finding human meat in your cheese burger.
jon357 63 | 14,124
7 Feb 2013  #82
BSE definitely started in the UK

Check it out. It was nothing new.

And is irrelevant to the Polish contaminated meat scandal.

when they could no longer cover it up

Cover-up. It was very transparent. And Mr Gummer was quite righ. The meat was safe.

Especially since it supposedly is healthier than beef and por

Almost anything is healthier than pork, but if you buy a product on the shelf, you expect it to contain what it says on the label. Not contaminated meat from Eastern Europe.
OP peterweg 36 | 2,316
7 Feb 2013  #83
Check it out. It was nothing new.

This the entire basis of proof? I did check it out, I also lived through it in detail, your comments complete and utter garbage.

And is irrelevant to the Polish contaminated meat scandal.

Really? you said Polish authorities could not be trusted and the British could be trusted. Thats proven beyond doubt to be not true. Nobody can be trusted.

Cover-up. It was very transparent. And Mr Gummer was quite righ. The meat was safe.

Out right lie in the face of legal, scientific evidence. British beef was banned for a decade, most of the herd was culled and certain types of cattle was banned from the food chain because it was unsafe.

Hundreds of people have died so far from vCJD.

but if you buy a product on the shelf, you expect it to contain what it says on the label.

What it said was British or Irish Beef. There is no evidence the meat even came from Poland, except from the word of companies that passed off horse meat to consumers as beef.

Careful what you say Jon, lying and making unprovable claims is libel, no matter where you are.
jon357 63 | 14,124
7 Feb 2013  #84
I did check it out,

You might want to see when Kreuzfelt-Jakob disease was identified. By the way, I lived through it too.

Polish authorities could not be trusted and the British could be trusted.

This much we know from recent events.

Out right lie in the face of legal, scientific evidence. British beef was banned for a decade, most of the herd was culled and certain types of cattle was banned from the food chain because it was unsafe.

Absolute truth. Your 'argument' proves the effective response to the issue.

here is no evidence the meat even came from Poland

Check out the meaning of supply-chain. The products have been identified as being contaminated by Polish horsemeat.

Careful what you say Jon, lying and making unprovable claims is libel, no matter where you are.

Lying is something we all know you understand, from your past and present habits here, however perhaps you ought to check the definition of libel before mouthing off.
OP peterweg 36 | 2,316
7 Feb 2013  #85
You might want to see when Kreuzfelt-Jakob disease was identified

vCJD was discovered in the early 1990's. You might want to explain your lies.

Check out the meaning of supply-chain. The products have been identified as being contaminated by Polish horsemeat.

No, they have identified horsemeat in UK, Irish, French and Spanish meat products. They CLAIMED it came from Holland, then Poland. A claim from a fraudulent company selling horse as beef isn't worth jack.

Test's have not backed up that the meat came from Poland.

As I said, unless you have proof of you claims you are being libelous.

I don't have proof do you..
Barney 14 | 1,469
7 Feb 2013  #86
Test's have not backed up that the meat came from Poland.

Slabs of Horse have been traded where the contents and origin are not as labelled. These meat traders could have been sourcing horse from anywhere or buying horse legitimately from Poland and relabelling it as cow. The latest news here in Ireland is that the horse meat has been traced to a meat dealer based in Hull England.

The Irish Police are investigating to see where the fraud occurred was it in Ireland, Poland, England or a combination of all three
smurf 39 | 1,981
7 Feb 2013  #87
Latest news on the topic:

Rangeland is saying it "was the victim of fraud"

The company voluntarily halted production at the factory after tests into a consignment of Polish beef found positive traces of horse DNA.
The company carried its own tests on the ingredient and informed the Department of Agriculture of the positive results last Thursday. The Department carried out further tests and received a positive result on Monday.

thejournal.ie/rangeland-food-meat-production-787461-Feb2013/
jon357 63 | 14,124
8 Feb 2013  #88
vCJD was discovered in the early 1990's. You might want to explain your lies.

Given that Dr. Creutzfelt died in 1964 and Dr. Jakob died in 1931, I wonder if you think they discovered it using an ouija board?

Then again, lies are something we've come to expect from you. As I say, check out the concept of Supply Chain within the food industry. And check out the meaning of libel while you're at it.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,665
8 Feb 2013  #89
vCJD was discovered in the early 1990's. You might want to explain your lies.

dont be silly it was around for years before the early 1990s it was knows as scrapie in sheep, for example.

Test's have not backed up that the meat came from Poland.

As I said, unless you have proof of you claims you are being libelous.

oh fgs can no one have a discussion about anything, talking about what has been discussed in the papers, without some oversensitive flower crying 'lies' libel'!!
Wroclaw Boy
8 Feb 2013  #90
Horse meat sold as beef is just the tip of the iceberg, if they can pull this stunt for god knows how long what the hell else have we been eating. The mind boggles.

Lately and before this scandal began ive been thinking about becoming vegetarian, not saying i will but for me to even think like that is quite astonishing. Not from the meet is murder angle but just the what the hell are we eating side.

Where ever there is profit there will be scandal, skull buggery and downright fraud. Contaminating our food supply is scary *****.


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