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Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers?


jon357 64 | 14,382
29 Jan 2013  #31
They do. So does everyone on the supply chain, right up to the end user. And the contamination started with the Polish company who tried to pass off petfood as a better product.

But hey, perhaps the Polish food industry doesn't care about whether or not the words 'Made in Poland' are attractive, neutral or offputting to shoppers. Right now, it's the last of those.
OP peterweg 36 | 2,315
29 Jan 2013  #32
And the contamination started with the Polish company who tried to pass off petfood as a better product.

You have no idea who put the meat in there, I doubt it will be easy to find out - its not petfood.

he Polish food industry doesn't care about whether or not the words 'Made in Poland

Its not the Polish 'food industry' that sold beefburgers containing horse. Somebody legally supplied horse.

None of the burgers sold will have Made in Poland, because they were made in Ireland and the UK. Its the sellers responsibility to ensure the source of his materials. This company went to a country famous for its horse meat not beef and bypassed its own Polish slaughterhouse to obtain horse.
jon357 64 | 14,382
29 Jan 2013  #33
You have no idea who put the meat in there, I doubt it will be easy to find out - its not petfood.

The people who investigated the supply chain do. They traced it back to the supplier in Poland.

Its not the Polish 'food industry' that sold beefburgers containing horse. Somebody legally supplied horse.

Who cares that horsemeat is legal in some places. If a company pays for something, they want that product. Not something else, even if it's legal.
nasadki - | 43
29 Jan 2013  #34
I'm sure they are correct it came from Poland, the supply chain is watched closely on imports/exports because of the outbreaks of foot-n-mouth back in the 90s. But this company deserves some blame itself. They should have better quality control policies themselves, this meat should of been noticed immediately, not after it hit the shelves.
Dreadnought 1 | 143
29 Jan 2013  #35
Meat is meat, I,ll eat it.....(though I don,t think I would eat my faithful dogs 'Szarik' and 'Freya' (unless I was starving)) don,t know what all the fuss is about, people from UK need to travel more.....on second thoughts they do...but they never ask what the meat is that they are being served in restaurants......eek they ate someones dog without realising.
pawian 153 | 8,313
29 Jan 2013  #36
If a company pays for something, they want that product. Not something else, even if it's legal.

Yes, that`s right.

That is why I want to see their invoices to get a clear view. Did they order BEEF slurry from the Polish producer or did they get ANY meat slurry?

Let them publish fekking invoices and reveal the name of Polish supplier so that they can admit wrongdoing or reject the accusations.

Unless it is done, I will never believe it was Polish fault.

Sorry, guys.

It seems adding horse meat is more popular among European producers than one might think.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21243184

have a nice burger! Guten Apetit!
Dreadnought 1 | 143
30 Jan 2013  #37
Ha ha..so many people who have never been really hungry.
jon357 64 | 14,382
30 Jan 2013  #38
Unless it is done, I will never believe it was Polish fault.

Be careful not to mix "Polish fault" with 'a Polish company's fault'.

Let them publish fekking invoices

I imagine that will all come out in the inevitable lawsuit.

Ha ha..so many people who have never been really hungry.

Hungry and poor, like the sort of people who buy frozen burgers.
irishguy11 6 | 157
4 Feb 2013  #39
Great another company in Ireland has found horse DNA in imported meat from Poland. The company provides burgers to McDonald's and to a number of countries in Europe. Think I will stick to pure cuts of meat now, no minced up stuff.

breakingnews.ie/ireland/horse-dna-found-at-new-meat-plant-583633.html

fingaldirectory.ie/business-details.asp?ID=1060

rangelandfoods.com
monia 3 | 212
4 Feb 2013  #40
Great another company in Ireland has found horse DNA in imported meat from Poland.

The article says :"The investigation has shown that all implicated raw material ingredient is labelled as Polish product," the department said.

WTF - they ordered product from Poland . I am asking : " so what ?. They ordered something , so and they received something . Are we responsible as just a suplier that the producer made something unlawful from the delivered product in a scam operation .

Typical action , blame Poland for everything . And besides Polish weterinary service checked 14 co-operating plants and every sample was horse DNA free.

I guess the Irish are killing now the wandering horses and let the British to eat them as so many Irish left those poor horses without food and care letting them to die or be caught to be killed .

Irish- heartless people , I can`t belive what you did to these poor animals .

youtube.com/watch?v=7EyyiSkae74
irishguy11 6 | 157
4 Feb 2013  #41
Monia I did not create the title of the tread. I am not blaming Poland as a country for what is going on. The supplier was supposed to provide 100% beef, they did not. As may be the case in ABP, the supplier could be owned by someone from another country. Yes if a company supplies something, then they are responsible for what they supply. I'am sure there are more than 14 plants, so you can not say until all have being tested.

I do not blame a country for the mistakes of a company. I love Poland, my Polish wife, my Polish inlaws(ok not all the time the mother in law).

That you tube link is of a bunch of idiots that think its great to get a horse but they can not afford to keep it. The Irish have a very strong tradition of looking after horse's, ask anyone. The Irish race horse is one of the best in the world. That is why the Aga Khan keeps his horse's in Ireland. Why would he put a 5.9 million usd horse in Ireland if he thought we would not look after it.

And by the way do not link us to the Brits. We are not the same

There is a update that 75% horse DNA was detected and it was never used. It was done on the raw material imported from Poland. It could be anyone's company, my money is it is linked to ABP

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan_IV#Thoroughbred_horse_racing
monia 3 | 212
4 Feb 2013  #42
I guess the Irish were the producers of burgers . Silvercrest should be blamed , not us . As a producer selling 100% beef burgers it failed and its system failed , so your minister shouldn`t blame us but find scamers and punish them instead of debating so called Polish plot .

I have nothing against you and other good Irish people , but those morons who abandoned so many animals I would sent to jail for cruelty to animals . Here in Poland some horrible people neglect animals and in most revealed cases they are sentenced for cruelty under the Polish Criminal Code .
Wroclaw 44 | 5,389
4 Feb 2013  #43
. Silvercrest should be blamed , not us .

it depends who ordered (exactly) what and from who/m. added to this would be who supplied what and if it differed from what was ordered.
irishguy11 6 | 157
4 Feb 2013  #44
The minister has already installed a number of people in silvercrest and told it to get rid of the management(which they have). This action needs to be extended to the Polish site's(owned by Larry Goodman). Look his history up, you would not think it was true. He supplied Iran and Iraq with beef, then left holding a bill for 50mil euro when the UN placed sanctions and the 1st gulf war kicked off.

Horse DNA was not picked up in the UK until Ireland found it. The UK plants were using the same supplier. The UK guys never checked for it until we told them

Silvercrest imported a product from Poland, which it should have fully tested first(as in every product from every country). The people that buy these burgers, are the people that have to count every penny. It is not a good idea to buy 12 burgers for 2 euro.

I will say though that the irish wholecut beef is great and I will still eat it, but I have not touched a burger since this started.

Silvercrest has lost about 45 million euro in contracts so far, so I think the company might be going under. But the processing plant they have is one of the biggest in the country and the government will try to help to find a buyer and save the jobs(for whole cuts of meat)
monia 3 | 212
5 Feb 2013  #45
From what you are saying I am sure that this Lary Goodman knew exactly what he was doing and was aware of every action his company made including contaminating burgers with horse meat if he owned that Polish plant . So his dealings with meat scandal were planned and well camouflaged from the stage of meat processing to the final stage of selling burgers . It was very easy for him to manage such a scam as he was the owner of all involved plants . So I am more disgusted by framing Poland in something which could be called "one man show" .

meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/210412/argentina___larry_goodman_inducted_into_the_meat_trade_news_daily_quothall_of_fame.aspx

What a fascinating way of life from a 15-year-old school dropout selling sheep-gut for sausage skins to a Bentley man , haha. Brilliant ,but he forgot to inform us how he was cheating - first Arabs and later Europeans ( including burger King and McDonald`s ) by putting crap into hamburgers . Multimillionaires have their unique way of getting rich quickly , don`t they , education is unnecessary burden .
Meathead 5 | 470
5 Feb 2013  #47
Second of all - what is wrong with the horse-meat?It is very healthy after all! :)

Not in the States. Horses are shot full of more drugs than cattle. Meat is unfit for human consumption.
jon357 64 | 14,382
5 Feb 2013  #48
So I am more disgusted by framing Poland in something which could be called "one man show" .

The Polish company weren't robbed of the horsemeat at gunpoint. Nobody twisted their arm into committing fraud. If they Irish firm were trying to cut a deal (note the if), anyone would have said no if they were honest.

And now, they've sown an unpleasant seed in the minds of shoppers about the reliability of food products from Poland.

Second of all - what is wrong with the horse-meat?It is very healthy after all! :)

What's wrong with a Peugeot? Nothing. But if you buy a Renault you expect to get a Renault.
monia 3 | 212
5 Feb 2013  #49
The Polish company

Can`t you read , isthatu is saying , don`t mix Poland and Polish with the word company ( in this he is right as they are now multinational entities ) , but personaly I was not mixing . I was against that ( if you bother to read my posts) And also so called "Polish plot "was too emphasized by the Irish minister and the media . This Lary Goodman was the owner of the plant based in Poland , so why are you calling it Polish ?
Wroclaw Boy
5 Feb 2013  #50
Horse meat is one thing, but what really concerns me is what else are they capable of putting in and what are the long term health risks. CANCER anybody?
jon357 64 | 14,382
5 Feb 2013  #51
Can`t you read , isthatu is saying , don`t mix Poland and Polish with the word company

Rude and Moaning as ever, however it seems that most of us can read better than you.
The company in question has been named, the owners too. They are Polish and in Poland. let's hope they are investigated by international rather than local incvestigators, to ensure transparency and honesty.

telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/9843703/Is-horse-meat-still-on-sale-in-Britain.html


  • Marek Czerniej, pictured with Zofia Sypula
isthatu2 4 | 2,708
5 Feb 2013  #52
No, what I was saying was;
Even if it is a company in Poland,owned and staffed by Poles that does not reflect on Poland and Poles in general.
BAE systems are war feeding savages but I feel no personal shame for the companies existence as it is out of my control and therfore not a reflection on me or anyone I know ,same as with the whole BP shambles the other year,British company,but I felt no need to apologise to Alabamans because their beaches ended up covered in oil. :)
Wroclaw Boy
5 Feb 2013  #53
Would the reason for that be that they are businesses doing what businesses are supposed to do i.e. make money?

Most companies trample over everything in their way in pursuit of profit. Just like the banking crises did.
jon357 64 | 14,382
5 Feb 2013  #54
Even if it is a company in Poland,owned and staffed by Poles that does not reflect on Poland and Poles in general.

Exactly - however there are some who are very touchy. A cultural cringe thing.

BP shambles the other year,British company,

International nowadays as they make a point of saying, with most of the work (especially in the Gulf of Mexico) done by local an US contractors. But there are still people who will associate the spill with Britain, even though there's no real British connection.

Same with the tainted meat from Poland - it will stick in people's mind unfortunately.
monia 3 | 212
5 Feb 2013  #55
Rude and Moaning as ever, however it seems that most of us can read better than you.

Oh really ? I doubt that you can read yourself . Why are you saying and repeating things like :

The Polish company weren't robbed of the horsemeat at gunpoint. Nobody twisted their arm into committing fraud. If they Irish firm were trying to cut a deal (note the if), anyone would have said no if they were honest.

And now, they've sown an unpleasant seed in the minds of shoppers about the reliability of food products from Poland.

Things are under the investigation right now . No fault has been proved so far on the Polish side .

Mr Czerniej - who runs Food Service with its co-founder Zofia Sypula - insisted the company was not the source of the contamination.

He said: "We have never bought or handled horse meat, we couldn't have been the source of contamination.

On Friday the Polish authorities said that all the tests had come back negative and suggested the source of the contamination may be in Ireland or England.

Jaroslaw Naza, the deputy head of Poland's general veterinary inspectorate, said: "Everything we have done suggests to us that the source of the contamination was not in Poland.

"How has this happened? Someone probably changed documents. I know thatthe authorities in Ireland are looking for changes of labelling and documents.Maybe it is in England?"

So far, the Polish food is healthy, tasty and reliable, having restrictive procedures . BTW , horse meat is not poisonous , but Poles don`t consume it as horses are treated in Poland very specially with great sentiment . Although some farmers grow horses for meat which I find very deplorable but it is exported to Western Europe mainly to France, Belgium and Italy where it is regarded as very lean and healthy kind of meat .
crochetbitch88 2 | 83
5 Feb 2013  #56
Meat is meat, I,ll eat it.....(though I don,t think I would eat my faithful dogs 'Szarik' and 'Freya' (unless I was starving))

:) what a refreshing straightforwardness. At least it's meat and not a boiled radiator or something.
Barney 14 | 1,470
5 Feb 2013  #57
Poland may not be the source afterall

A gov minister talking about people in Ireland

He condemned meat processors who are willing to buy products, the authenticity of which cannot be verified.

He added: "To have someone here for the quick buck willing to damage our standards here and willing to buy a product from a trader, certainly that we cannot check the authenticity of his product and put that into a box and label it as Irish is absolutely unacceptable

And this

Asked whether the Government still believes the material came from Poland or was merely labelled as Polish, Mr Kenny said it was clear that a plant in Poland supplied material but other investigations might have to take place.

Meanwhile, the Chief Executive of the Food Safety Authority has said somebody is "drip-feeding" horse meat in the burger manufacturing industry in Ireland.

From
rte.ie/news/2013/0205/366244-garda-probe-into-horse-meat-find-under-way
nasadki - | 43
5 Feb 2013  #58
on the lighter side of things.....

telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/9812945/Panto-horse-burger-meat-prank-sees-pair-thrown-out-of-Tesco.html
jon357 64 | 14,382
5 Feb 2013  #59
Things are under the investigation right now

So the usual clutching at straws.

The most important thing is that the investigation is managed from outside Poland - ideally from a country with a higher rating at Transparency International

On Friday the Polish authorities said that all the tests had come back negative and suggested the source of the contamination may be in Ireland or England.

Precisely. Who do you trust more - a country like the UK who have a history of complete openness about food scares, or Poland?

So far, the Polish food is healthy, tasty and reliable

I think you know that isn't true.
monia 3 | 212
5 Feb 2013  #60
Some people will never change .

You know it is true.

Are you defending Mr Get Quick Rich because he is Jewish like you . Be more objective and judge the situation with some brain . Who sold 100% beef hamburgers with horse meat traces to the public ? ABP and Silvercres or some Polish company ? Who was responsible for food safety final control . If you still say it was fault of a Polish company there is another question . Would ABP and Silvercrest buy and pay for sh*t if a Polish company wrapped it and labelled as beef too ? The quality control system did not exist in both Irish companies , if it was they would not sell it to the public as 100 % beef burgers . To me looks like a scam of ABP .

And also it is strange that Irish company workers could not tell the difference between both meats as it was sold in pieces .

Every part of the product is sampled and tested in Polish companies and we know what we eat .

BTW if you buy processed food just read what it is written on the label with small letters , you will find out that in some meat processed products meat contents are as low as 20 % the rest are fillers . If you buy burgers or hot dog sausages read llabels to be aware what you eat .


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