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Repost: Heya ad about communism in Poland


smurf 39 | 1,966
11 Jan 2013 #1
I liked the Heyah ad.
Just goes to show that some people are way to shaggin sensitive about certain topics and they've banned it basically because they don't have a sense of humour.

Yes, yes Communism was terrible, blah blah blah #boring, we all know that. But WTF had Lenin got to do with Communism being forced on Poland? Sweat FA, that's what, the man was a long time dead before the Yanks and the Brits betrayed Poland to Stalin (after the thing we shall not mention) and his pesky ways. Sure, jaysus, Stalin wasn't even a proper communist, he was a dictator. Lenin hated Stalin anyway and didn't want him to come to power at all.



#Rantover

Thread was deleted prob because old Greggie tried to do some trolling, but it's OK Mods, I've reposted it now so other PFers can share their views on the idiotic decision to ban a perfectly legitimate ad for a Polish telecommunications company
Wroclaw 44 | 5,369
11 Jan 2013 #2
I liked the Heyah ad.

so did i.

i doubt it was young folk who complained about it though.
gumishu 15 | 6,186
11 Jan 2013 #3
decision to ban a perfectly legitimate ad for a Polish telecommunications company

what ban do you mean - there is no ban - there was only an appeal from internauts to withdraw the campaign - PTC folks told they will withdraw the campaign but they simply lied cause the campaing is well and kicking
zetigrek
11 Jan 2013 #4
But WTF had Lenin got to do with Communism being forced on Poland?

Are you aware we had Polish-Bolshevik war in 1919-21?

folks told they will withdraw the campaign but they simply lied cause the campaing is well and kicking

I heard the commercial has disappeared from tv. I haven't seen it recently so I assume it's true.
SeanBM 35 | 5,793
12 Jan 2013 #5
What exactly did youz like about the ad?
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
12 Jan 2013 #6
The dude looked more like Molotov than Lenin anyway.....
jon357 74 | 22,480
13 Jan 2013 #7
It was quite a good advert. If every ad in questionable taste was pulled here, there would be a lot of empty billboards.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
13 Jan 2013 #8
It was quite a good advert.

Hmm maybe it'll be back in Adolf's version.
jon357 74 | 22,480
13 Jan 2013 #9
That's been done already, with the Andrzej Lepper magazine cover. His stubble that day looked just like a Hitler moustache - quite a sensation at the time.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
13 Jan 2013 #10
You mean this?:

Hmm, I don't think comparing a politician because of his populism to Hitler ("Heil Lepper!") on a cover of a magazine is the same as using Hitler to promote something in a TV advertisement.

You would also call it "a good advert" if there was Hitler in it instead of Lenin?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
13 Jan 2013 #11
That's been done already

No, totally different case.
jon357 74 | 22,480
13 Jan 2013 #12
Much much worse. Though all the billboards round town showing the Lepper picture suggests there's a precedent for this sort of advert in Poland.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
13 Jan 2013 #13
Much much worse.

For Lepper perhaps.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
13 Jan 2013 #14
Though all the billboards round town showing the Lepper picture suggests there's a precedent for this sort of advert in Poland.

lol
That's not an avdert. Quite on the contrary - it's a cover of a magazine criticizing a politician. Um... Don't you see a difference? o_O

Would you also call Heya ad "a good advert" if there was Hitler in it instead of Lenin?
jon357 74 | 22,480
13 Jan 2013 #15
Um... Don't you see a difference? o_O

Um....... Look again at the post, Paulina. Carefully this time. Note the word 'billboard'. Look it up in a dictionary if you want. o_O

Would you also call Heya ad "a good advert" if there was Hitler in it instead of Lenin?

Look a third time at the post. Note the first three words.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
13 Jan 2013 #16
I've read it carefully.
You suggested that a billboard advertising a cover of a magazine (yes?) with Lepper's photo looking a bit Hitler-like had created a precedent for this sort of advert in Poland as the Heya advert - do I understand you correctly?

Look a third time at the post. Note the first three words.

You would call it "much much worse"? But that would imply that Heya ad with Lenin was... bad?
jon357 74 | 22,480
14 Jan 2013 #17
Yes, of course. An ad on billboards relying on totalitarian imagery. Fortunately both harmless - even amusing. But hard to complain about one of them when the other was plastered all over town as well, don't you agree?
Paulina 17 | 4,469
14 Jan 2013 #18
Yes, of course. An ad on billboards relying on totalitarian imagery.

No, a cover of a magazine stylised on totalitarian imagery which was used to criticize a politician. The billboards were only advertising that issue of the magazine. Hitler, or even Hitler-looking anyone, wasn't used in any Polish advert as far as I know.

Fortunately both harmless - even amusing.

Then why would you call Heya ad with Hitler in it instead of Lenin "much much worse"? It wouldn't be "harmless and even amusing" if Hitler would be in it?

But hard to complain about one of them when the other was plastered all over town as well, don't you agree?

Of course I don't agree. You're being a demagogue right now.
The billboards were only advertising that issue of the magazine, Hitler-like looking Lepper wasn't advertising anything (I don't even remember any such billboards in my city, anyway). The cover of that magazine wasn't advertising anything, it wasn't promoting anything. It was critisizing. As Grzegorz wrote - totally different case.
jon357 74 | 22,480
14 Jan 2013 #19
No

So let's get this straight. Are you denying that there were ads all over town on billboards advertising the magazine?
Edit.
Looking at your final paragraph, it looks like you never saw the advert. I can assure you it was on billboards all over my town (Warsaw) and that many more people saw the ad than read the magazine in question.

It isn't demagoguery entirely. It's true that the PiS/LPR/Samoobrona regime was hated and there was maybe justification for the advert which was for something less frivolous than a phone network. It also attracted complaints, but was never withdrawn.

It's still totalitarian imagery, and whereas I found both amusing, there are many people who have suffered under totalitarianism both left and right who didn't appreciate it.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
14 Jan 2013 #20
So let's get this straight. Are you denying that there were ads all over town on billboards advertising the magazine?

How am I supposed to know that? lol You claim they were. Where do you live?
I don't remember any such billboards in my city.
jon357 74 | 22,480
14 Jan 2013 #21
How am I supposed to know that? lol You claim they were. Where do you live?

It's in the post. Begins with 'W'. Large city in Poland.

It looks like we're actually saying the same sort of thing. About the nature of being offended by ads. Did the Lenin one (which surprised me when I saw it) offend you? It didn't offend me (nor did the Wprost ad) but I guessed when I saw both that some wouldn't like it.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
14 Jan 2013 #22
It's still totalitarian imagery, and whereas I found both amusing, there are many people who have suffered under totalitarianism both left and right who didn't appreciate it.

I completely understand that.

However, as I wrote before, I don't think comparing a politician because of his populism to Hitler on a cover of a magazine is the same as using Hitler to advertise/promote something in a TV advertisement.

It's simply not the same.
So, you're wrong in claiming that Hitler was already used in a commercial like the Heya ad.

It's in the post. Begins with 'W'. Large city in Poland.

I've asked where you live before you edited your post, smartass :)))

About the nature of being offended by ads. Did the Lenin one (which surprised me when I saw it) offend you? It didn't offend me (nor did the Wprost ad) but I guessed when I saw both that some wouldn't like it.

I saw it once and it didn't offend me. But I thought it was a bit "too much" and that even the younger generation who treats some elements of PRL "culture" as a fun popcultural thing won't be able to relate to this ad ;)

Btw, you still haven't answered why would you consider Heya ad with Hitler "much much worse" than Heya ad with Lenin.
So? Why?
jon357 74 | 22,480
14 Jan 2013 #23
I've asked where you live before you edited your post, smartass :)))

That could well be true ;-)

Re. the Lenin v. Hitler thing, both were evil, both advocated murder, but only one tried to destroy whole nations, including Poland.
Paulina 17 | 4,469
14 Jan 2013 #24
Re. the Lenin v. Hitler thing, both were evil, both advocated murder

And yet the ad with Lenin is "harmless - even amusing"?
How would you call a Heya ad with Hitler then? Hurtful and not funny?

but only one tried to destroy whole nations, including Poland.

Yes, the other one, however, was destroying whole classes of people.
The fact that one was worse than the other doesn't make Lenin cool and OK. So why an ad with Lenin is cool and OK and with Hitler it wouldn't be cool and OK?

The dude looked more like Molotov than Lenin anyway.....

I've instantly recognized him as Lenin. I even don't know how Molotov looked like.

I have this impression that for you guys it would be easy to understand controversy around an ad with Hitler, but you dismiss any controversies conected with communism. I just wonder, if it was Stalin instead of Lenin - would it be more understandable for you?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
14 Jan 2013 #25
but only one tried to destroy whole nations, including Poland.

Yeah, because If the reds won in 1920, they would have just hugged some trees and come back where they came from :)) The Lenin ad was a copy of global "communism is cool" trend, many people didn't find it so cool, the company learn the lesson, end of topic really.
OP smurf 39 | 1,966
14 Jan 2013 #26
end of topic really.

who made you Mod?
You've already had this thread closed once for trolling.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148
14 Jan 2013 #27
who made you Mod?

OK let me correct myself, end of topic for all sane people, you can go on :)))
Ironside 51 | 12,474
14 Jan 2013 #28
but only one tried to destroy whole nations, i

no both tried to destroy nations, one just some nations and the other nations in general.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
14 Jan 2013 #29
Erm, Paulina, just because I commented that the (sorry I missed out the bit of it being the cartoon version) looked more like Molotov than Lenin you presume I dont understand why Lenin would cause offence???

FYI, Molotov carved up Poland along with Von Ribbentropp, surprised you have never heard of him as he was directly responsible for Polands fate in 1939 where as Lenin happened to be head honcho when Poland and Soviet Russia were entangled in a sideshow part of the Russian civil war....that Poland won BTW :)
OP smurf 39 | 1,966
14 Jan 2013 #30
OK let me correct myself, end of topic for all sane people, you can go on :)))

So funny I forgot to laugh


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