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Should Poland Remove Visa Restrictions?


Wroclaw Boy
16 Jan 2010 #181
Insecurity about what exactly?

I didnt mean you Brat Boy, I said Butt Boy as in Brutal.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,154
16 Jan 2010 #182
That is insecurity.

Why?

Sharia law is not in the E.U., neither is communism not a hundred other ways of life.

If their numbers rise further as they do now they will get in another generation the democratic power to change our Europe after their will, and there is not a thing we could do about it...legally...

BB, that's not like you, play nice.

I don't have to take everything smiling...

I didnt mean you Brat Boy, I said Butt Boy as in Brutal.

Oh how I hate this...I wish Butcher would change his username! ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2010 #183
If their numbers rise further as they do now they will get in another generation the democratic power to change our Europe after their will, and there is not a thing we could do about it...legally...

Not all Russians are communists, not all Muslims think that Sharia law must be the law.

I don't have to take everything smiling...

I know but you are clever and name calling is beneath you.

Oh how I hate this...I wish Butcher would change his username! ;)

I wish Butcher would contribute or leave.

Edit* are there any countries in the world with Sharia law?

Iran

Pakistan

Saudi Arabi

Nigeria

Sudan

Iraq (prior to 2003)

Egypt
OP Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
16 Jan 2010 #184
change our Europe

Our Europe existed before you or I came on it. And it will exist even after we leave.

Migration is nothing new ...

Infact Europe will consume them ... they can jump around for some time ... as the chicken does when thrown in a drum.

proud of my heritage and cherishing it I'm self hating???

That is not racism ... the proud part is the point of ignition for racism actually. Cut out 'proud' and put 'happy/content' ..it will become better I feel.

Sharia law is not in the E.U., neither is communism nor a hundred other ways of life.

Exactly ... these things come and go ... neither have any place in the modern world.
jarnowa 4 | 499
16 Jan 2010 #185
nah i just think its funny given your status on Racial Integration that youre countries are next in line for assimilation, actually if youre nationality is Dutch youre virtually there already, so whats the big deal.

I don't see what assimilation of my country with Netherlands has to do with racial integration, maybe you can explain?

to go ontopic again:

Tell us why you want to have anymore 3rd world people in Poland?

Have a look at Belgium, Netherlands, France, UK, Sweden.
Do you want the same sh#t in Poland too?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,154
16 Jan 2010 #186
Not all Russians are communists, not all Muslims think that Sharia law must be the law.
Edit* are there any countries in the world with Sharia law?

Maybe german experiences are speaking here...the third generation moslems is often more fanatical and less inclined to integrate than the first one.
Wasn't just the IslamforUK banned in Great Britain too?

That all spells doom...

Edit* are there any countries in the world with Sharia law?

you forgot to add Great Britain!

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html

Sharia courts operating in Britain
Sharia courts have been operating in Britain to rule on disputes between Muslims for more than a year, it has emerged.

I know but you are clever and name calling is beneath you.

*shuffles with feet*
Switek - | 59
16 Jan 2010 #187
Wrong.

Orly?

There is no harmonisation at EU level, hence why a person holding a long term Polish visa without a residence card cannot travel within Schengen.

Guess whose regulations are there:

Article 4
1. A Member State may provide for exceptions from the
visa requirement provided for by Article 1(1) or from the
exemption from the visa requirement provided for by Article
1(2) as regards:
(a) holders of diplomatic passports, official-duty passports and
other official passports;
(b) civilian air and sea crew;
(c) the flight crew and attendants
[...]

There is no harmonisation at EU level, hence why a person holding a long term Polish visa without a residence card cannot travel within Schengen.

Exceptions never have been nor are nor will be general rule.
OP Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
16 Jan 2010 #188
Do you want the same sh#t in Poland too?

The whole world belongs to Mankind ... each and everyone of us. Neither of us own it completely.

Evolution is the name of everything.

Humans are priceless gems ... not ****s. **** is when the gem is covered in **** to stink ... as you stink in our words.

Think about it deeply ... do some humane stuff ... its winter and there are lots of ways you can contribute! ... stop hating ... revive and develep yourself. And if you feel there is no sense in what you read here ... then I guess you are a wall.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2010 #189
the third generation moslems is often more fanatical and less inclined to integrate than the first one.

I have heard this from many people in London too.

I find this interesting and have talked about it with people.
It seems (no certain) that the first generation want a better life, go to London to work their butts off and carve out a life for themselves, the second generation are in direct contact with the first but the third are disconnected from their roots, a foreigner in their own country and the country that their family came from. Like those British kids who did the 7 July 2005 London bombings.

I don't know how valid this observation is but I have talked to several people about it.

Wasn't just the IslamforUK banned in Great Britain too?

There are a lot of crazy people in every big city, I would imagine there are many many banned groups, combat 18 for an example. I don't know much about banned groups in the U.K.

But today the favorite people to fear are Muslims.

*shuffles with feet*

I do the same thing sometimes, don't worry.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,154
16 Jan 2010 #190
The whole world belongs to Mankind ... each and everyone of us. Neither of us own it completely.

Well, if Whitey thought like it is was called conquest, imperial exploitation and alot of other things.

stop hating

Why don't you start with yourself first?
jarnowa 4 | 499
16 Jan 2010 #191
Lodz_The_Boat

There are some places in the world where many cultures live together, NYC, London, Brussels.

If that is really your dream, i respect that. But i wonder: why not living in some multicultural city instead of hoping that Poland will also "enjoy" multiculturalism one day?
OP Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
16 Jan 2010 #192
why not living in some multicultural city instead of hoping that Poland will also "enjoy" multiculturalism one day?

The time is there for every country of the world to meet their destiny. And my country will also meet the same... I was not born in USA by the way.

Why don't you start with yourself first?

You know very well I did ... and I constantly strive for it.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,795
16 Jan 2010 #193
Guess whose regulations are there:

Those regulations have nothing to do with the policy on issuing long term (cat. D) visas - which are *not* Schengen visas and therefore nothing to do with the EU.

The "Karta Polaka" is one example of how Poland made access to Poland easier for ethnic Poles without granting full Polish citizenship to them. Yet this Karta Polaka has nothing to do with the EU or Brussels.

You may also want to look at the German policy towards residency of the "Guest Workers" - again, nothing to do with the EU.
Wroclaw Boy
16 Jan 2010 #194
Insecurity about what exactly?

Ive discovered that many racists are insecure in my personal circle people that i have known and spoken to. The insecurities lie in many areas and are driven by fear, fear of women not liking them and preferring a black man for example, fear of a black man beating them up, fear of a black man being smarter.

If you give a f*ck and don't care about it it's rather you who has a problem. It's this thinking which made Britain a stinking hole.

Whilst Britian has extremeties for and against, i still support racial integration. Its ok for us to keep our nice designer clothes and expensive cars at their expense, but not OK when they want to have a piece of the pie. The modern World has interest in keeping poor countries poor, why do you think 40% of the wealth is owned by 1% of the population.

Main thing here is that your children will suffer your passivity, uncaring, your stupidity.

Whats the alternative? keep them segregated for ever?

Tell us why you want to have anymore 3rd world people in Poland?

I dont really but if they choose to come i believe its only fair that they should have the right to better themselves and live comfortably as we all have. We should not live by Jungle (the strongest survive) rules.
jarnowa 4 | 499
16 Jan 2010 #195
The time is there for every country of the world to meet their destiny. And my country will also meet the same...

That's just your opinion. You as an immigrant to Poland should respect that the majority of Polish people don't want multiculturalism.

If you don't respect this opinion, then maybe you should rethink if you really choose the right country to move to. ;)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,154
16 Jan 2010 #196
Honestly....if we could expect third world immigrants to make our Europe a better place there wouldn't be such fears or insecurities as you call them.

The everyday experiences speak another language. Only with alot of good will someone would be able to oversee all that downgrading of property and land and social environment happening wherever immigrants gather, where natives flee, where ghettoes are being build.

Do you honestly think this "insecurity" is of fear the black man is being smarter???
And do you know that between those who voted against the minarets in the Swiss referendum are proportional more women than men? They have to fear the most from a islamic power, if you call that insecurity then so be it.

But in Germany there is a point of being fear of immigrant violence...that much is true.
Most of the most brutal senseless acts are done by immigrant youth...even the german media can't help it but report it as it is.

but not OK when they want to have a piece of the pie.

It would be okay if the long term development isn't pointing to downgrading of the UK to their level.
Who will bake the pie if UK becomes like a third world country? Where will they immigrate to next?

Whats the alternative? keep them segregated for ever?

Control the immigration even more...let only people in who will really be an asset to the society and who have already proven that they are willing to accept the main native culture and customs and want to integrate.

Chuck out immigrants who won't integrate!
king polkakamon - | 544
16 Jan 2010 #197
Its ok for us to keep our nice designer clothes and expensive cars at their expense, but not OK when they want to have a piece of the pie. The modern World has interest in keeping poor countries poor

I think this what UK does by former colonies,now war in Iraq etc.I don't find any motivation in exploiting the cigans.
Wroclaw Boy
16 Jan 2010 #198
Wroclaw Boy:
Whats the alternative? keep them segregated for ever?

Chuck out immigrants who won't integrate!

Ahh diplomacy at its best, i agree...more or less..

Controlled multicultural integration
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
16 Jan 2010 #199
Its ok for us to keep our nice designer clothes and expensive cars at their expense, but not OK when they want to have a piece of the pie.

Its OK for them to have a piece of pie IF they're willing to assimilate and conform to our ways, after all its our country, if they want to have a piece of pie and keep their way of life which collides with ours they can GTFO.

You Brits did the most idiotic things, you allowed in people who's way of life, belief system and whole cultural background cancels any chance of long term assimilation, by giving them money and power you're not elevating them to your economic status, you're giving them tools to eventually take over your economy and make you pariahs in your own country.

Chuck out immigrants who won't integrate!

Amen, a draconian law is needed, these people have to integrate or else give them economic and cultural encouragement yes, but have a sharp stick if they wont accept the carrot.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2010 #200
That's just your opinion. You as an immigrant to Poland should respect that the majority of Polish people don't want multiculturalism.

You are talking to a Polish person here LTB.

You are the immigrant in Poland and you pretend to talk on behalf of the Majority of polish people? that's a laugh.
You don't respect a Polish person's view and you are asking him to leave his own country.

Boy oh boy, you got nerve.
OP Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
16 Jan 2010 #201
You as an immigrant to Poland should respect that the majority of Polish people don't want multiculturalism.

:D ... seems like ur new here. Or maybe you just have no idea. Well I am a Pole... and with a Polish background. Not an immigrant ... you are one perhaps... congratulations. I wish you were behind bars. Not for being an immigrant, but for being a pest.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
16 Jan 2010 #202
the majority of Polish people don't want multiculturalism.

There's nothing wrong with multiculturalism but instead of mindlessly opening borders to everyone like UK did we need to realise that we need to be mindfull of who we let in.
nomaderol 5 | 726
16 Jan 2010 #203
Its ok for us to keep our nice designer clothes and expensive cars at their expense, but not OK when they want to have a piece of the pie. The modern World has interest in keeping poor countries poor, why do you think 40% of the wealth is owned by 1% of the population.

Good words. We can see same self-similarity also in any so-called modern world country itself. Take UK. 80% of wealth is owned by 5% of population. Take Saudi Arabia. Not different, even worse, 1% of population owns 90% of wealth. Their few minority enjoying luxury while their folks are poor. Same for UK, same for the world.

About the integration:

If I go to UK or Italy or Poland, they will try to integrate me into the christianity by using money if not fast, slowly. If I go to Saudi Arabia, they will try to integrate me into the islam by using money, if not fast, slowly. I am not sure if I am asked to be integrated into Jewish if I go to Israel by using money. I been challenging enough not to be integrated into Islam or to any religion here and I am a little lucky cause of a good secularity here in Turkey, though I still feel community pressure of 50% muslims (directly by 10% and indirectly by 40%), but, who cares.

Can not all these heaven sellers convince people about the heavens out of the world without using money? They are very riches. Ha yes, they are "working" too much. They are not winning only this world, but also planning to win the next worlds. We will see if they can convince anyone to heavens in global socialism which will give full freedom to all religions (but, without using any money.)
jarnowa 4 | 499
16 Jan 2010 #204
:D ... seems like ur new here. Or maybe you just have no idea. Well I am a Pole... and with a Polish background. Not an immigrant ... you are one perhaps... congratulations.

my bad, i thought you wrote you were born in USA, but now i see i missed the word 'not'.

I wish you were behind bars. Not for being an immigrant, but for being a pest.

This shows you are on the same low level as SeanBM. Congratulations!

You are the immigrant in Poland and you pretend to talk on behalf of the Majority of polish people? that's a laugh.

I don't talk on behalf of anyone, i just confront you hippy dreamers with the opinion of the majority of Polish people. And you obviously don't like it nor respect this opinion. Poor you. :D

One of the reasons i like Poland is the fact that many Polish people have the courage to be selective what people are welcome in their country (European citizens) and what people are not welcome. Only stupid leftist people think that European immigrants and african/arab etc. immigrants should be treated equally, despite big differences in behaviour/attitude/education/productivity/adaptation etc.

I thank Polish people for welcoming me. I've spoken to many nice Polish people who were very hospitable to me. :)

At the same time i found out many of those are not welcoming arabs and africans. :)

Does that make me a racist? Oh no. Nothing against arabs and africans, as long as they don't come to my territory!
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2010 #205
I don't talk on behalf of anyone, i just confront you hippy dreamers with the opinion of the majority of Polish people.

Your talking on behalf of the majority of Polish people and you are not a Pole but an immigrant here.
You have problems with simple logic, this sentence really shows what kind of person you are.

Does that make me a racist? Oh no. Nothing against arabs and africans, as long as they don't come to my territory!

You are a racist, yes and Poland is not your territory, you are NOT A POLE.
jarnowa 4 | 499
16 Jan 2010 #206
You are a racist,

For extreme-left hippies like you, not for normal people. I don't give a f#ck about your stupid definitions.

yes and Poland is not your territory, you are NOT A POLE.

Since internal EU borders are open, all EU citizens can call the whole EU their territory.
Isn't that nice?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
16 Jan 2010 #207
Isn't that nice?

You are an immigrant, no matter what way you look at it :)
king polkakamon - | 544
16 Jan 2010 #208
I welcome polish immigrants.In fact I regard them as race advancers and beautifiers.
jarnowa 4 | 499
17 Jan 2010 #209
@ SeanBM: guess which groups in multicultural countries are responsible for 80-90% of (often violent) street crime, robberies, murders, rapes.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
17 Jan 2010 #210
You are obviously going to say the blacks and I am obviously going to say not in Poland and you are obviously going to pick out some crap and i am going to say we are talking about Poland and you are going to say we are talking about immigration, at which point I will point out that you are an immigrant and you will just be the racist you are and blame blacks.

So to save us all a lot of trouble, I will write this post :)


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