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Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees


convex 20 | 3,978
13 Apr 2011 #91
Right. But YOU CANT say that we should accept refugees coz we are in EU. The law of EU is not a source for accepting refugees.
We sign up some contracts, our law is compatible with international conventions, and we will obey this LAW.

Poland already signed up for it. The time for opt-outs was a while back. That's kind of the idea behind the EU, cede an amount of sovereignty in exchange for other benefits.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
13 Apr 2011 #92
Poland is in NATO no? Ok,where the fcuk are the vaunted Polish Airforce that we Brits are always being told about then? Whats the matter,Uncle Sam not paying the bill for this one so the Polish merceneries are staying at home?

You all do seem to love having your cake and eating it...part of EU when it suits you,part of NATO ,ditto,when it suits you.......when it looks like the money is tapped out its,no thanks,but please still save us from mother russia if the time comes......................
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
13 Apr 2011 #93
Ok,where the fcuk are the vaunted Polish Airforce

they’re taking a course in hand gliding, part of their ‘greener than thou’ campaign…
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
13 Apr 2011 #94
lols.....just saw a powered hang glider buzz over head, I think its 617 sqdrn on the way to Tripoli......
jeden - | 226
13 Apr 2011 #95
Poland already signed up for it. The time for opt-outs was a while back. That's kind of the idea behind the EU, cede an amount of sovereignty in exchange for other benefits.

I see now that You are ignorant as far as european law is concerned. You don`t see the difference between international law and european law.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
14 Apr 2011 #96
Poland is in NATO no? Ok,where the fcuk are the vaunted Polish Airforce that we Brits are always being told about then?

LOL ! You idiots created chaos, have no idea what to do next and now you want to drag us into It ? Shut up, apologize, sit down in the corner and next time don't touch things for grown ups.
Pinching Pete - | 558
14 Apr 2011 #97
No NATO country should be in Libya... its' a fools errand.
Bzibzioh
14 Apr 2011 #98
You all do seem to love having your cake and eating it...part of EU when it suits you,part of NATO ,ditto,when it suits you.......when it looks like the money is tapped out its,no thanks,but please still save us from mother russia if the time comes......................

All countries are doing exactly the same thing, minding their own business first. Shocker, I know!

No NATO country should be in Libya... its' a fools errand.

For sure not foot soldiers.
convex 20 | 3,978
14 Apr 2011 #99
I see now that You are ignorant as far as european law is concerned. You don`t see the difference between international law and european law.

The discussion was EU law and Polish obligations under it.

Poland is in NATO no?

NATO is a defense treaty. The attack on Libya is just being coordinated through the NATO command structure.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 10,045
14 Apr 2011 #100
NATO is a defense treaty! So right!!!

Is any member country under attack???
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
14 Apr 2011 #101
So it is official: Nato appeals for more planes.
Only a few of Nato's 28 members - including France, the UK, Canada, Belgium, Norway and Denmark - are conducting air strikes.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
14 Apr 2011 #102
HHHHmmmm, Poland signs a treaty of mutual military assistence and then sits on its hands and does nothing...............kharmas a b!tch,just dont ever whinge about '39 again as you have demonstrated your worth as a full ally......

btw white dawg.....Ghaddafi started it,the rebels fought back,and the civilised members of NATO are trying to stop civilians getting slaughterd.....shame on us for trying eh.............
sascha 1 | 826
14 Apr 2011 #103
NATO is a defense treaty.

Is any member country under attack???

Against whom? Poltergeist maybe?

You don`t see the difference between international law and european law.

As far as war situtations are concerned or how they call them nowadays 'humanitarian actions' started and covered by UN only what the US says is important. ;)
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
15 Apr 2011 #104
it's been confirmed that the planes in question (10 more needed on daily basis) are specifically U.S-built A-10 and AC-130 type designed for ground attack ops. I don't know if Polish air force has any of those...
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Apr 2011 #105
Fair enough,fly high cover support in your Mig 15s then......
sascha 1 | 826
15 Apr 2011 #106
it's been confirmed that the planes in question (10 more needed on daily basis) are specifically U.S-built A-10 and AC-130 type designed for ground attack ops. I don't know if Polish air force has any of those...

Humanitarian actions...
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
15 Apr 2011 #107
Different thing altogether though not without relevance... I was merely referring to what's been agreed upon during the Nato meeting in Berlin
gumishu 11 | 5,030
15 Apr 2011 #108
Fair enough,fly high cover support in your Mig 15s then......

well, you could have supported Poland much more in the EU than you have (I mean the UK) - we have plenty common interests - among these trying to stop Franco-German hegemony in the EU - but when there was a chance you failed to - now it's different foreign affairs philosophy among the ruling in Poland (you should have noticed the change in government already) and the current philosophy is to be as pro-German as it gets (until they screw us big time :) - so if Angela Merkel says we (Westerners) should stay away from internal Arab strife, Mr Tusk is more than happy to sound equally distanced from the trouble
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Apr 2011 #109
well, you could have supported Poland much more in the EU than you have (I mean the UK) - we have plenty common interests -

for sure,probably. Got to admit,I dont bother much with Politics but wasnt part of this down to us having a left wing liberal government while you had,well,not a left wing liberal government? ;)

(ps,in case people didnt guess with my reference to ancient soviet war planes,Im sorta playing devils advocate here,mostly.)
gumishu 11 | 5,030
15 Apr 2011 #110
wasnt part of this down to us having a left wing liberal government while you had,well,not a left wing liberal government? ;)

it probably had unfortunately

(ps,in case people didnt guess with my reference to ancient soviet war planes,Im sorta playing devils advocate here,mostly.)

I know you have a nice sense of humour isthatu2 and are pretty devoid of bitter malice :P ;)
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Apr 2011 #111
pretty devoid of bitter malice :P ;)

unless someones an uber nationalist then humour fails me ,whatever country they think the sun shines outta its sewers;)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
15 Apr 2011 #112
shame on us for trying eh.............

True. If you have no idea what to do, better stay away.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Apr 2011 #113
whatever g',thats the way you roll,fair enough,like I said though,proper European countries are trying......not just sitting on the side lines whinning.....
convex 20 | 3,978
15 Apr 2011 #114
Read the treaty, as BB said, which NATO member is under attack? As for civilians getting slaughtered, it's a tribal civil war.

Against whom? Poltergeist maybe?

Against anyone that decides to attack a member of the treaty. Whether that's Russia, Libya, Iran, China, Vanuatu...

Humanitarian actions...

Saved a lot of lives in Bosnia when the Serbs were slaughtering civilians. Kill the soldiers that are killing civilians is the logic behind it.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
15 Apr 2011 #115
Read the treaty, as BB said, which NATO member is under attack? As for civilians getting slaughtered, it's a tribal civil war.

Granted maybe,but lets reduce this to human levels, NATO,essentially a bunch of mates,some closer friends than others,but when the push comes to shove mates stick together,they dont pretend to agree then once the sh!t kicks off suddenly hide behind semantics.

What on earth threat was Iraq to Britain (or the US for tha matter)? We still went in with our US allies though didnt we? So did Poland,but,as Ive heard,Poland got paid by the US to be in Iraq.....US not picking up the bill,is that the real reason behind Poland now playing the letter of the treaty game?
Bzibzioh
15 Apr 2011 #116
proper European countries are trying......not just sitting on the side lines whinning.....

It's the case of the British telling themselves 'We are no longer a great power, so we will live as a middling one'
convex 20 | 3,978
15 Apr 2011 #117
NATO is not an offensive treaty, never was. The command structure is just being used to manage the attack. Countries can still disagree on attacking sovereign nations. If Poland decided to bomb Bahrain or Yemen, do you think the UK would come along? Probably not as the ground attack Typhoons are already overstretched as is. Poland doesn't have the money for an offensive war...neither does the UK or the US for that matter. Why should they get involved if no NATO member was attacked?
Bzibzioh
15 Apr 2011 #118
Poland doesn't have the money for an offensive war.

Nor need ...
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
15 Apr 2011 #119
NATO is a defense treaty! So right!!!

In a way, yes. The Libya crisis is huge instability on Europe's borders. Action now is necessary in order to forestall much bigger problems later. NATO have to take the strategic long view rather than just firefighting.
convex 20 | 3,978
15 Apr 2011 #120
Everything could potentially cause bigger problems later. NATO is a defense treaty, not a police force.


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