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Poland progresses in PISA ranking. 5th place in Europe and 14th in World


Monitor 14 | 1,821    
4 Dec 2013  #1
Poland significantly progressed in quality of school education ranking "Programme for International Student Assessment"

5th place in Europe and 14th in World.

Comments are that in reality students progressed in tests solving as bigger focus was put on tests since introducing new matriculation exam in 2005.

Source: farsal.pl
smurf 39 | 1,983    
4 Dec 2013  #2
Wouldn't pay too much attention to what's basically a survey,

From the outset, Pisa has been met with scepticism, criticism and even outrage, most of which has stemmed from the claim that the study's findings are arbitrary. One such voice was Dr Svein Sjøberg of the University of Oslo, who claimed that a small change in question choice or weightings could result in a big change in a country's overall rankings.

Though the methodology for collecting the results might be clear, the way they are interpreted and analysed to become final results is less so. This lack of statistical transparency has also been a focal point of criticism levelled at Pisa and indeed the OECD

The sheer breadth of Pisa has also raised questions about the comparability of results within it.

At a more fundamental level, some have pointed to the difficulties of testing students in such a wide array of languages. If such a thing as a perfect translation exists (few would argue it does) it might still not be enough to control for students' differing interpretations of the same set of instructions.

There is also a temptation to grab at averages from Pisa to understand the performance of a country. Doing so would obscure the vast differences that can occur regionally within a country - such an oversight can be particularly dangerous, say critics, for understanding the true academic opportunities available in a country.

theguardian.com/news/2013/dec/03/pisa-methodology-education-oecd-student-performance

Plus PISA is just a wing of the OECD anyway and the question should be what agenda is the OECD trying to push by publishing PISA reports?

And:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_for_Economic_Co-operation_and_Development#Criticism
TheOther 5 | 3,679    
4 Dec 2013  #3
Comments are that in reality students progressed in tests solving as bigger focus was put on tests

That's one of the things that are often criticized with PISA: the countries that rank on top prepare their students specifically for the PISA study.
smurf 39 | 1,983    
4 Dec 2013  #4
the countries that rank on top prepare their students specifically for the PISA study.

yea, that's certainly true, Finland being the biggest culprit.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
4 Dec 2013  #5
While PISA may not in fact be one hundred percent reliable all of the time, I'm scarcely surprised by Poland's stature within Europe. Compared with Sweden, Iceland, even Germany (whom Poland leads !!!!!), the usual suspects (LOL), Poland has always been a terribly underestimated nation, in my opinion. When you look at the achievement of individual Poles throughout history, it's most impressive, by anyone's yardstick.
Ironside 47 | 9,498    
4 Dec 2013  #6
While PISA may not in fact be one hundred percent reliable all of the time, I'm scarcely surprised by Poland's stature within Europe.

In my opinion the level of education in Poland is systematically worsening.
delphiandomine 85 | 17,648    
4 Dec 2013  #7
You would be right about technical skills. High PISA scores are one thing, but unlike the Finns, the new generation of Poles simply don't have technical skills.

Nothing wrong with general education however.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
4 Dec 2013  #8
Whoa, let's please NOT confuse technical "skills" themselves with technical "training"!! Not intending here to be pedantic, advances in technology run concomitant with the level of infrastructure already in place at the time such new technologies are introduced. It is true that in contrast to, say, Finland or Sweden, Poland's infrastructure was practically Third World prior to the collapse of Communism. Indeed, her educational system across the board, save for perhaps music performance (e.g. The International Chopin Piano Competitions), was in a shabby state of affairs. This was of course hardly the case with either Finland or Sweden. Therefore, the skill level of Poles pre- Globalization was concurrent with her emerging technology. Training, on the other hand, may well have been equal to that received in Finland from at least a purely THEORETICAL point of view. It was then primarily the hands-on application which was inferior:-)
PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
5 Dec 2013  #9
Merged: Poland educational powerhouse?

Poland has moved up the PISA rankings to the 14th place in the world outranking countries like the U.S (36th place), Spain (33rd), UK (26th), France (25th), Germany (16th). "Poland -- that ex-Warsaw Pact world-beater -- continued its run up the charts of the last decade, earning spots in the top ten in reading (10) and science (9), and turning in a strong performance in math (14). It outperformed much wealthier countries, from Britain to Sweden, across the board, and even nudged out the Canadians in science. ".

theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/dec/03/pisa-results-country-best-reading-maths-science

blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/04/how_poland_became_an_eastern_european_education_powerhouse
welshguyinpola 23 | 463    
5 Dec 2013  #10
Poland has moved up the PISA rankings to the 14th place".

None of this matters though as the countries that are lower seem to be the ones that are richer, produce more, invent more. Whats the point of being at the top of a table if the country doesn't use that.
polpat    
5 Dec 2013  #11
because the countries that are lower 'd become rich long time ago before Pisa ranking was even invented.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
5 Dec 2013  #12
None of this matters though as the countries that are lower seem to be the ones that are richer, produce more, invent more. Whats the point of being at the top of a table if the country doesn't use that.

It matters because the countries that are on top just a few years ago were on the bottom. The poorer countries are getting richer, richer getting poorer. Who would have thought years ago China or South Korea would be where they are now.
welshguyinpola 23 | 463    
5 Dec 2013  #13
Still lots want to live in the USA which is lower in the rankings. Why would they want an inferior education?
OP Monitor 14 | 1,821    
5 Dec 2013  #14
1. This is assessment of 15 years old. It doesn't test quality of American university level education, for which people emigrate more often than for secondary education.

2. There are other criteria for emigration except of secondary education.
3. USA is a big country and this is just an average. I am sure than one can find good place for himself there with top PISA results.
PennBoy 76 | 2,438    
5 Dec 2013  #15
Still lots want to live in the USA which is lower in the rankings. Why would they want an inferior education?

For the superior money. There are so many doctors and engineers here from China and India.
OP Monitor 14 | 1,821    
5 Dec 2013  #16
None of this matters though as the countries that are lower seem to be the ones that are richer, produce more, invent more. Whats the point of being at the top of a table if the country doesn't use that.

I think that quality of education can influence dynamic of economic growth. And currently for some growth is only thing which matters.


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