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Poland President National Mourning in Some Countries


Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #1
Lithuanian government has announced 3 days of national mourning
to commemorate the tragedy of Polish delegation in Smolensk.

Lithuanian foreign affairs minister Audronius Ażubalis said yesterday that
"all Lithuanians are Poles on this day" and the prime minister Andrius Kubilius
expressed his hope that "this immense tragedy will help us find a way to solve
problems in mutual relations".

Lithuanian ministry of defence sent an order to lower flags in all the military
barracks and buildings of the ministry.

Thank you, Lithuania.
1jola 14 | 1,879
11 Apr 2010 #2
This is all part of the diplomatic protocol, Torq.

Will this cause Lithuania to stop discriminating against Polish minority in Lithuania? No, so let's not get all exited.
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #3
This is all part of the protocol, Torq.

No, it isn't. Announcing three days of national mourning to commemorate the deaths
of neighbouring country's president is not a part of the protocol.

Did Germany do the same? Or Czech Republic or Sweden?

They expressed their condolences, and THAT is a part of protocol, but didn't announce
national mourning.

Will this cause Lithuania to stop discriminating against Polish minority in Lithuania?

I don't know that (and neither do you).

let's not get all exited.

I'm not getting excited - I'm expressing my gratitude for a noble gesture of Lithuanian government.
1jola 14 | 1,879
11 Apr 2010 #4
I'm expressing my gratitude for a noble gesture of Lithuanian government.

That's fine, but you are aware of Lithuanian government's discrimination against Poles living there. Just as in case of Russian official stance on Katyń and the lip service they are paying now, your jugdement is affect by recent images and emotions.
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
11 Apr 2010 #5
Lithuanian government has announced 3 days of national mourning
to commemorate the tragedy of Polish delegation in Smolensk.

Me the same, Thank you!

your jugdement is affect by recent images and emotions.

I love Poland, I love Norway and I feel sad, I am full of emotions and emotions makes us stronger and more connected to each other.
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #6
That's fine, but you are aware of Lithuanian government's discrimination against Poles living there.

Of course I am fully aware of the difficulties in mutual Polish-Lithuanian relations,
but despite those difficulties Lithuanian government has found it in their hearts
to commemorate Polish victims in such a noble way, and that's what the thread
is about.
1jola 14 | 1,879
11 Apr 2010 #8
but despite those difficulties Lithuanian government has found it in their hearts
to commemorate Polish victims in such a noble way, and that's what the thread
is about.

I'm sure the Poles in Lithuania who have lived there for centuries and whose names are changed to something unrecognizable to them, you, and me are touched by this display of humanity.

The Katyn families are also touched by Russian government's stance that there is no proof of murder so they can not be rehabilitated.

An official Kremlin document recently sent to the European Court of Human Rights suggests such hopes may be disappointed. In a response to a lawsuit by those seeking Russia's rehabilitation of the Katyn victims, the Russian government said there's no certainty the Polish victims were even shot, while generally Russia is not obliged to conduct an investigation into what it calls "the events." [25]

But I let you get back to praising the Russian and Lithuianian governments. If only the Ukrainians could get on board and display sympathy while they steal Polish churches and hold concerts for UPA on 8 Bandera Street in Lwów in a Polish church.
Darun 1 | 55
11 Apr 2010 #9
Did Germany do the same? Or Czech Republic or Sweden?

They expressed their condolences, and THAT is a part of protocol, but didn't announce
national mourning.

I think they will, just give them one more day.

In my country, monday was announced a mourning day. We don't have a big Polish community compared to others but it is considered a sign of respect to the sorrow of a nation we consider a close friend.

I was supposed to go tommorow at the Polish Cultural Institute here to get a letter for my Erasmus file, but most probably it will be closed, but I will go and pay my respects and light a candle at the embassy as well.
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
11 Apr 2010 #10
When Lech Kaczyński will be burried, Czech Republic will have a day of mourning

Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that the day of the funeral of Polish President Lech Kaczynski will be announced in the Czech Republic national mourning.

"The president and the government of the Czech Republic decided to declare national mourning on the day of burial and commemoration of the victims minute of silence" - reads the MFA.

Also ordered that on the day of mourning flags on government buildings be lowered to half.

I will transalte the whole page for those whom will be interessted

Or Czech Republic

They just said they will have a national mourning on the day when Lech Kaczyński will be burried :o
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #11
In my country, monday was announced a mourning day. We don't have a big Polish community compared to others but it is considered a sign of respect to the sorrow of a nation we consider a close friend.

And that's how it is seen in Poland. The reception of Russian reactions is very good.

They just said they will have a national mourning on the day when Lech Kaczyński will be burried :o

Fair play to them then.
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
11 Apr 2010 #12
And that's how it is seen in Poland. The reception of Russian reactions is very good.

Yes it is, shows us truelly who cares or not cares for Poland for real

Fair play to them then.

Made a thread about it
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #13
whose names are changed to something unrecognizable

You know it, and you know my stance on all those matters as I have expressed it
many times in different threads. But, as they say, credit where credit's due - the
reaction of Russia and Lithuania has been exemplary.

By the way - Brazil has announced 3 days of national mourning too. Can I thank them
or do you have something against Brazil too?
OP z_darius 14 | 3,968
11 Apr 2010 #14
resulting from the plane crash death of Poles in Smolensk:

Brazil
Czech Republic
Georgia, Lithuania
Maldives
Poland
Russia
Slovakia
Ukraine
1jola 14 | 1,879
11 Apr 2010 #15
Ok, Torq.
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #16
Brazil
Czech Republic
Georgia,
Lithuania
Maldives
Poland
Russia
Slovakia
Ukraine

Obrigado!

Děkuji!

მადლობა

Aèiū!

Shukuriyaa!

Спасибо!

Ďakujem!

Дякую!
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
11 Apr 2010 #17
You know it, and you know my stance on all those matters

Same with me

But, as they say, credit where credit's due - the
reaction of Russia and Lithuania has been exemplary.

That has to be said, I wasn't thinking they would care AT ALL
Maybe Polish minority in Lithuania or Vilnius...

By the way - Brazil has announced 3 days of national mourning too. Can I thank them
or do you have something against Brazil too?

Yeah that's weird, I think they did it out of solidarity which is quite good.
Okie, my personal favor of Argentina has moved to Brazil

Brazil
Czech Republic
Georgia, Lithuania
Maldives
Poland
Russia
Slovakia
Ukraine

I really have no words for this then
THANK YOU WITH ALL MY HEART! :)
Torq 32 | 2,999
11 Apr 2010 #18
A beautiful gesture on our Czech friends and neighbours part. Ďakujeme!
plk123 8 | 4,150
12 Apr 2010 #19
that is very nice of PL's neighbours.
richasis 1 | 420
12 Apr 2010 #20
Yes it is, shows us truelly who cares or not cares for Poland for real

In America, ABCNNBCBS periodically mentioned this tragedy only briefly until about noon - after Tiger Woods, of course.

As of this evening, they're still keeping us updated on Tiger Woods with extended news segments. No, I'm not kidding. :(
OP z_darius 14 | 3,968
12 Apr 2010 #21
There will be a day of mourning in Hungary on the day of the president;s funeral.
PolishNutjob 1 | 74
12 Apr 2010 #22
Lithuanian government has announced 3 days of national mourning
to commemorate the tragedy of Polish delegation in Smolensk ...

How utterly meaningless. These 3 days will not change the eternal destinies of the deceased.
Litwin
12 Apr 2010 #23
My compassion, Polish brothers and sisters. We were the neigbours, we will be the neigbours, we all are shocked now, and we mourn together.
As for the discrimination of minorities, let's say we're not angels. Lithuanian Sejm is one thing, lithuanian people is another thing. Though i'm sure that sooner or later everything will be solved, would wish it to be sooner, but probably it will be later, as always :( . But that is our problem. My compassion, once again.
JustasLT - | 1
12 Apr 2010 #24
Kondolencje dla wszystkich Polaków.

Lithuanian government (I mean the current cabinet of ministers and mostly all ruling conservative-christian democrat party apart from few extremist MPs) is no way anti-Polish. Quite the opposite. I know some ministers and conservative MPs personally, so, I guess, I can tell this with confidence.

The situation with our Sejm (which shamelessly made the notorious decision of not approving new legislation extending the right to local Polish of writing their names in Polish language) is more complicated and hard to explain, though. It is combination of stupid nationalism, incompetence and wish of parliament opposition to make things more complicated for the government. I hate to think what kind of message Lithuania sent to Mr. Kaczyński and Polish people just before the terrible thing has happened.

Three days of mourning is not a part of diplomatic protocol - it is a true sign of Lithuanian solidarity with Poland. Most of the people here are touched by the tragedy very deeply and many of them see this loss as their own too.
mmieszko
12 Apr 2010 #25
Have somebody wondered why Brazil has declared three days of mourning two days before air crash? By the way it's interesting if polish autorities sent condolences to Brazilian as regards to their national drama.
Harry
12 Apr 2010 #26
If only the Ukrainians could get on board and display sympathy while they steal Polish churches and hold concerts for UPA on 8 Bandera Street in Lwów in a Polish church.

What goes around comes around.

In America, ABCNNBCBS periodically mentioned this tragedy only briefly until about noon - after Tiger Woods, of course.

That's an odd thing to say. I was watching CNN this morning: Poland was the top story. I don't know what the second story was because I only watched the first five minutes and Poland was given all of that time. Perhaps you should consider watching CNN instead of relying on FauxNews to tell you what CNN said.
Smolarek 1 | 5
12 Apr 2010 #27
Hello to everyone,

My condolences to the Polish people for this national tragedy. I came to this site by accident when googling for information about the accident. I don't know a lot about Poland, but Katyn is one of the few events that I knew quite well. I learned most of it from a BBC documentary about Stalin a short while ago. The irony of this situation must be damning.

Turkey will have its flags at half-mast at the day that the Polish president will be buried. The day will be announced as an official day of mourning. Foreign Minister Babacan called him a very important leader and said he hoped his past services and memories will help in dealing with the suffering. Polish ambassador Marcin Wilczek thanked the Turkish people for their sharing of the pain.
Mr Grunwald 20 | 1,554
12 Apr 2010 #28
Hello to everyone,

My condolences to the Polish people for this national tragedy.

Thank you

I came to this site by accident when googling for information about the accident.

Welcome to Polishforums! :)
(just so we are clear most people on this forums are just like you, came here to look for information about Poland)

Turkey will have its flags at half-mast at the day that the Polish president will be buried. The day will be announced as an official day of mourning.

That is very noble of them
richasis 1 | 420
12 Apr 2010 #29
I only watched the first five minutes and Poland was given all of that time.

Were you watching CNN International? Here in New York, this tragedy hardly 'dominated' the news cycles. Maybe I missed it.

Perhaps you should consider watching CNN instead of relying on FauxNews to tell you what CNN said.

I stopped watching ALL the infotainment channels in the US long ago. Still, I thought I'd tune in to watch 'coverage' of this.

As an aside...
I was in Poland in 2007 when California experienced a major wildfire. CNN International had reported on the the accommodations provided some residents in a nearby stadium. Interviews with parents revealed elation with the circus-like atmosphere of hotdogs, soda and clowns which made the experience more 'festive-like' for the children. The conclusion? America had come a long way from the days of Hurricane Katrina. Of course, the ensuing commentary focused upon 'race' with respect to the two events.

Meanwhile, BBC and RT had reported that California's inability to fight the fires was a direct result of George Bush's 'appropriating' the California National Guard's equipment (along with its Guardsmen) for the Iraq War effort some years before. Despite promises to replace the equipment from the war budget, California was left 'high-and-dry'.

But at least there were hotdogs, sodas and clowns - if not nefariously racist motivations.

So no, I don't watch ABCNNBCBS - or FOX. I watch BBC, RT and PressTV via the internet.

Harry; I'd be happy to buy you a beer the next time I'm in Poland. Ironically, I drink Lech :)
OP z_darius 14 | 3,968
13 Apr 2010 #30
Canada
ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100412/polish_plane_100412/20100412?hub=CanadaAMV2

and Moldavia announced a day of national mourning to honor those killed in the plane crash.


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