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POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE?


JonnyM 11 | 2,621
15 Mar 2011 #91
intellectual of any weight

Very clear that not only do you talk about subjects like Nietsche which you can't understand, but are also frustrated by that. Not exactly one of life's brightest buttons!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
15 Mar 2011 #92
Polonia? Nobility? You must be kidding me.

To take an example, the vast majority of North American Polonia are very much of peasant origin.

As for Poles, most of the nobility is either no longer around or fled.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
15 Mar 2011 #93
I'm sure you know that there are Jews whose religion is not Judaism.So, what is your point again ?

hardly relevent when he links it to the holocaust though is it.

Well, when you consider that 90% of a nowadays Jews had one or more ancestors who had been at one time on another living in Poland, then I guess he has a point of a kind.

Dont want to pull you up,but you kinda prove my point.

Well, I don't want to pull you on that but at the time you had PM who had been Christian (of Jewish origin, I grant you that)Poland did not exist as a state, not for all long and eventful XIX century.

by the 30s they were even limited in how many of them were allowed to go to uni......

Well, by then USA university's practice of numerus clausus had been long established(1920-1950), while in Poland such practice started in 1937- practically two years, and every self-possessed do-goodies make a much out of it - much ado about nothing.

Im not going to lie,I know even "liberal" educated Poles who talk about jews in the language of Der Sturmmer

What language? You mean that every generalisation because directed against Jews is taboo?

I know it,and whats more plenty of jewish people know it.

Woo-ha! So what ? Poles do not write books full of lies about Jews.

of this peculiarly eastern European obsession with Jews

You mean Germany is part of Eastern Europe ? never mind, maybe because majority of the Europe Jewish population lived in Eastern Europe? While Western Europe had few Jews and because of that they are playing WE ARe so good game, phew!

As I said relation between Poles and Jews is complicated, as well as popular myths on both sides, as I said you know squat about all that.
MediaWatch 10 | 945
15 Mar 2011 #94
As for Poles, most of the nobility is either no longer around or fled.

There you go again with your prejudiced generalizations of people of Polish ancestry.

If somebody were to make parallel comments about your Russians, you would be going crazy.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
15 Mar 2011 #95
There you go again with your prejudiced generalizations of people of Polish ancestry.

I recommend you go away and look at who emigrated to North America.

The nobility stayed and built the II RP - the peasants left. Poland was a pretty rough place to be if you were a peasant in those times - poor and with a very strong system of the elite holding the rest down.

If somebody were to make parallel comments about your Russians, you would be going crazy.

Feel free.

Suggesting that Russians are mostly the descendants of poor peasantry wouldn't be far off the truth.
Ironside 48 | 9,900
15 Mar 2011 #96
a very strong system of the elite holding the rest down

A good system, compare it to today.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
15 Mar 2011 #97
I'm sure you know that there are Jews whose religion is not Judaism.So, what is your point again ?

It is true that there are atheist Jews that still consider themselves Jewish but do their rabbis still consider them so? Jews have always allowed for conversion too, and so what about the case of a Gentile that converts to Judaism and then later rejects its religious tenets, would that person still be a Jew? Is there a double standard that allows people born into Judaism to reject it as a religion and still remain Jews but not converts? Is say a Turk who converted to Judaism now a member of two nations, both Turkish and Jewish, or just one of the two, and if only one then which one? I honestly don't know the answer to these questions.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
16 Mar 2011 #98
A good system, compare it to today.

Good side and bad side, really. The lack of universal education was a bad thing, but then again - education was really something special in those times, instead of the current system where everyone is educated and yet knows **** all.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
16 Mar 2011 #99
Well, when you consider that 90% of a nowadays Jews had one or more ancestors who had been at one time on another living in Poland, then I guess he has a point of a kind

yes,of a kind, but many of "our" jewish population are of course people who came here in the mid/late 19th century to escape the tzarist inspired pogroms in the old Russian empire.

Well, I don't want to pull you on that but at the time you had PM who had been Christian (of Jewish origin, I grant you that)Poland did not exist as a state, not for all long and eventful XIX century.

Of course,right to point it out incase anyone didnt realise that ;) It was just a casual point about the size of population percentage and the tangable acheivments in wider sociaty. Maybe a point Im missing is that many Poles of jewish origin assimalated so well that it was never an issue,maybe britain has the issue pointing to one example and claiming superiority.

What language? You mean that every generalisation because directed against Jews is taboo?

let me be clear. Its a strange thing Ive encountered,the closet I would compare it too is finding yourself stuck in the middle of two branches of the same family at war with each other.

On the one hand you find people determined to point out how many brave jewish soldiers grandad served with in '39 and then in almost the next breath be talking about tight fisted jews or giving you the wink that,of course,they werent "really" Polish,but still brave,like the ethnic germans who fought for Poland,thanks,but dont marry my daughter.

Id say also,TBH, In Poland,and with actual Poles it seems more on a similar level to the sort of rubbish the English say about the French....we havent been at war with them for 196 years but you should here the "frog" jokes said often on the way to the holiday home in Provance....where as the looney conspiricy theorie and out right nasty anti semitism tends to come from the other side of the Atlantic.........which is odd, American wealth is built on the capitalist system yet they slam that same system for being a tool of some world jewish conspiricy....sad fcukers.

as I said you know squat about all that.

hardly, Id just say its far too complexe for a forum thats a bit of fun,not an examination :)
But by your logic you know squat about Britain yet you always seem to have an opinion.......
Ironside 48 | 9,900
16 Mar 2011 #100
But by your logic you know squat about Britain yet you always seem to have an opinion.......

What make you say that ? Your posts about Poland are fairly knowledgeable, just relations between Poles and Jews seem not to be your cup of tea!
PolskiMoc 4 | 324
16 Mar 2011 #101
What a steaming heap of BS....Poland slammed the doors shut to jews in the 1930s.Those forced out of nazi germany were put in a concentration camp

The nazis up to 3 million Polish Catholics into concentration camps & many of those were Poles who tried to help Jews & up to 500,000 Polish Blonde babies were kidnapped by Nazis & up to 10 million Poles enslaved & millions of women raped as well as many Poles dying in Battlefield in the Invasion of Poland & The Warsaw uprising.

Yeah, that makes sense

100,000 Poles died trying to save Jews

The Jews had more rations than they were given by the Nazis. Many Poles were actually sneaking Jews their own food to help the Jews & That is why JEws in the Warsaw Ghetto had much higher rations than the nazis gave them.

They risked getting hanged or stuffed into concentration camps for the Jews.
Poland was the only country invadexd that did not setup a Nazi Puppet government.

The Few Poles who did become Nazis were mostly ones in the Battlefields in the East who became Nazis because they hated the Soviets more.

Which of course the Jews helped setup the Soviet Union but that is okay right? I mean 62 million Slavs dying because of Jews creating a Bolshevik Revolution makes the Jews innocent right?

There is an archive which showed a Polish family Nicki moving to Germany & Become Nietzsche
That during that time they would have changed it to Nietzky which is what Friedrich Nietzsche said his name originally was.

This fits with the Polish surname Nowicki becomes Nowitzki much like Dirk Nowitzki.

Nowicki to Nowitzki
is very similar to
Nicki to Nietzky & then to Nietzsche later
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
16 Mar 2011 #102
What make you say that ? Your posts about Poland are fairly knowledgeable, just relations between Poles and Jews seem not to be your cup of tea!

1, time of night...2,Thanks a lot,much appreciated, 3,illustrating my point,non Polish non jews dont really gave a monkeys one way or another about any "jewish question" ;) The topic seems so polarised in Poland between the obvious haters and the obvious rose tinted spectecle brigade that it is hard to get close to any "truth" in the matter,like I said,seems like a family argument. All the best and worst trait stereotypes TBH IMHO seem to be completly interchangable between "Poles" and "Jews".
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #103
90% of today's Jews are converted Turks...'Jew' is mostly a term of convenience.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Mar 2011 #104
Indeed I chose a Turk for my example because of the Khazars.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
16 Mar 2011 #105
That theory was debunked long ago. There has been much discussion on PF over the years, most of it prompted by nonsense from JoePilsudski who has a thing about Jewish people.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #106
Debunked by whom?...Arthur Koestler did a wonderful exposition of the history...Abba Eban, former Israeli foreign minister, also wrote on it, agreeing with the premise, as have a number of Jewish scholars...What irritates Zionists is that the Khazar origin of today's Jews makes any claims on the land of Palestine, because of supposed 'Jewish' relation to the ancient Israelites, null and void.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
16 Mar 2011 #107
Arthur Koestler did a wonderful exposition of the history

And retracted it.

claims on the land of Palestine

Force Majeur.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #108
And retracted it.

Stop lying...You can't face the truth...You invested with some real estate developer in Jerusalem?
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
16 Mar 2011 #109
You invested with some real estate developer in Jerusalem?

Read up on it - not just racist stuff.

The study, reported in today's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was conducted by Dr. Michael F. Hammer of the University of Arizona with colleagues in the United States, Italy, Israel, England and South Africa. The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism. ]

joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #110
I have read the supposedly 'scientific' chromosome studies, and I don't put much stock in them, as I do not subscribe to 'Jurrasic Park' theories...They prove absolutely nothing...Genetic science is a questionable one.

Racist?...By your definition Hammer would be racist, as he is using genetic speculation to uphold a certain racial theory...Some 'Nazis' also speculated in this area...In any case, the Zionist Jews adhere to some of the most base racial philosophy.

In any case, whatever the origin of so-called Jews, they have absolutely no right to the land of Palestine, and no right to 'ethnically cleanse' the indigenous population....A 'Jewland' never existed in the Middle East.

This in no way affects how I feel about Jewish people in general...I just find the Zionist philosophy a particularly blood soaked type of nationalism...Some of the most influential people in my life, personally, have been Jewish...None of them were Zionists, although they surely had some tender feeling for Israel, since most of their ancestors also came from eastern Europe.

In fact, the destructive form of Zionism we now see relly came to flower in the early 90s and late 80s.

Of course, Communism was also Zionism, but in that case the Zionists disguised themselves as Russian 'revolutionaries' so they could carry out their devilish adventures.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
16 Mar 2011 #111
supposedly 'scientific'

Yes, scientific.

they have absolutely no right to the land of Palestine, and no right to 'ethnically cleanse' the indigenous population

As much right as white people have to the US and Canada.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
16 Mar 2011 #112
In any case, whatever the origin of so-called Jews, they have absolutely no right to the land of Palestine, and no right to 'ethnically cleanse' the indigenous population....A 'Jewland' never existed in the Middle East.

So, what should Jews do in your mind?
Going back where they came from? Back to opressions, hate, murder and expellations?
Does Poland want them all back???

Jews stemmed from this part of the world...even christian history tells you that! For more than 2000 years. Jesus himself was once a Jew from the ME.

They lived there even before Palestinians did.

Do you think Poles deserve a Poland even as they lived "fine" as Russians, Prussians and Austrians?
After all Germans lived on polish lands before any Poles wandered into it.

PS: Israel wouldn't have the continous problems with the growing numbers of Arabs in their borders if they really had ethnical cleansing in mind...

And please don't tell me you like Arabs more!
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #113
So, what should Jews do in your mind?

Make a fair peace with the Palestinians, for a start...There could either be one state called either 'Palestine' or 'Israel', but with qual rights for all citizens, and a return of stolen lands to the Palestinians, as much as possible...This is a difficult task, and a complicated one, because it means moving people around...Germany and Poland had a similar problem with Danzig and parts of Silesia...Could it be accomplished peacefully?...Yes, but of course not everyone will be satisfied...But it's better than constant war and rumors of war...When the Egyptian unrest was going on, I saw a video on some internet news station that interviewed a bunch of Israelis in the Tel Aviv area, questioning them about the unrest in Cairo...Surprisingly (or maybe not so surprising) about 80% of the Israelis in the video (students, secretaries, shop keepers) expressed sympathy with the Egyptians, and many said they wished that something like that would happen in Israel, because they did not like/trust their government...These were people like you and me.

I want to see American troops out of 75% of the foreign countries they are now in, also.

In the US, I want to see the Jewish swindlers from Wall Street prosecuted, and all the non-Jewish Zionist shills in Congress removed...I want to see an end to all foreign aid to Israel for a period...It won't happen.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
16 Mar 2011 #114
Make a fair peace with the Palestinians, for a start...

You know who rules the Palis currently, don't you?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

...
The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[38] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[65][66]

These guys are chums with the Taliban, islamist fanatics!
They don't want peace with Israel...they want to kill all Jews. How do you think can Israel make peace with these guys?
And why are you supporting these enemies of the West!!!

And that a two-state-solution is the only solution for a lasting peace is clear for all moderate people in the ME and in the world. But whereas Israel has a functioning democracy able to deal with such a possible future, the Palis are hopeless as long as they are ruled by nutters!

There won't be any such peace as long as HAMAS rules...that is not the fault of Israel.
You should support Israel against our common enemy, the fantacial islamists...they hate all of us equally, Jews, Christians, Atheists, Pagans, everybody non-muslim, the whole West!

Think about it next time when you make yourself again to the mouth piece of the islamists...
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
16 Mar 2011 #115
In the US, I want to see the Jewish swindlers from Wall Street prosecuted, and all the non-Jewish Zionist shills in Congress removed...I want to see an end to all foreign aid to Israel for a period...It won't happen.

If we had campaign finance reform in the USA it could happen, but with the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision we are even further away from ever having such reform.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
16 Mar 2011 #116
In any case, talk of 'Jewish Power' would be irrelevant if there was greater "Polish Power' or 'Slavic Power'...We fight each other too much, and that is a loser's game...But nobody's perfect, only the world seems to belong to the 'pushy'...I'm for 'Polish Pushin'.
Midas 1 | 571
16 Mar 2011 #117
In the US, I want to see the Jewish swindlers from Wall Street prosecuted - I understand that Italian swindlers, Irish swindlers, WASP swindlers and so on are free to stay?

Allow me to elaborate: "Wall Street" mentality which is prevalent in investment banks, brokerages, real estate hustlers, etc. has nothing to do with being Jewish and all to do with being a greedy, immoral ******.

Why is it then that you believe it's ok for Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans, etc. to be greedy Wall Street cunts yet you'd like to see greedy Jewish-American cunts ran out of town?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
16 Mar 2011 #118
In any case, talk of 'Jewish Power' would be irrelevant if there was greater "Polish Power' or 'Slavic Power'...We fight each other too much, and that is a loser's game...But nobody's perfect, only the world seems to belong to the 'pushy'...I'm for 'Polish Pushin'.

So you are just jealeous? ;)

But really...Israels enemies are our enemies too! Or you really have a thing for the Arabs...
sascha 1 | 826
17 Mar 2011 #119
'Jewish Power'

What currency do you refer to?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
17 Mar 2011 #120
And retracted it.

yeah,I would to if I ever wanted to sleep in my own bed or pick up a telephone again.........;)


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