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People says that EU bringing many nice things to Poland. Tell me about it


Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #1
What is so nice about EU and can`t be done without EU?
Zed - | 195
6 Nov 2010 #2
EU-funding of various projects!!! Visa and passport free travel!!! Growing feeling of affinity/common cause!!! Strengthening of democracy!!! Better checks and balances!!! :-)
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #3
Visa and passport free travel!!!

yes, let people travel

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convex 20 | 3,978
6 Nov 2010 #4
Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?

Anyway, Poles are happy to be in the EU (eurobaramoter). The EU has brought money in the form of grants and private investment. Farmers are being subsidized instead of closing up shop, and my favorite part, more Poles are intermarrying and having children with fellow proto-Slavs, the Germans, Anglo-Saxons, and Celts.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #5
Anyway, Poles are happy to be in the EU (eurobaramoter).

That doesn't really surprise me but the Germans, according to this barometer, are also supposedly happy with the EU, that's very surprising. I didn't have the impression after talking to countless Germans while in Germany. Even now, anytime I talk to my friends or relatives in Germany, none of them is happy about the EU membership.

Like always, you can't trust the statistics.

Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?

looks like Serbia to me
Stu 12 | 522
6 Nov 2010 #6
yes, let people travel

If this gentleman (or any of the people in the background) come from the EU, I am a penguin (he looks very Arab to me, and the last time I checked none of the countries over there is part of the EU). Poland receives the most grants from the EU than any other country in the EU. Everywhere you go, you see signs "paid for by the EU", whether it'd be infrastructure, renovation or even school projects. Polish people can work abroad, we can work in Poland ... a win-win situation if you ask me.

Although, to be honest, I think enough is enough. The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU. The NL are together with one or two other countries, the main contributors. I.e. their taxpayers are. I know it is a bit selfish, but I don't want any more countries to become part of the EU. Those who are candidate-members (and other people wish to see become part of the EU) are mostly countries that don't have a lot to contribute, only to hold up their hand. Which means that my taxes will only increase. Thanks, but no thanks.

Georgia, Ukraine, Turkey?! Jee, who's next?! Belarus, Armenia ... give me strength ... :-S
Zed - | 195
6 Nov 2010 #7
We need Croatian beaches in EU! Let them in! :-)
Stu 12 | 522
6 Nov 2010 #8
Yeah ... the beaches, but not the people. Sorry for that ... .
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #9
The average Dutch person pays 2.500 euro per year in taxes to the EU.

yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it (read EU budget).
delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
6 Nov 2010 #10
I don't even think that most of the EU-12 countries should have been allowed to join in the first place. Slovenia, yes - it's catching up rapidly. Estonia too. But the rest? No way.
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #11
Which part of Europe is that gentleman from?

what does it matter. Today he may live in Egypt, Germany, Turkey or Poland or wherever. EU is one big happy family.

We need Croatian beaches in EU!

Serbs won Adriatic see for Slavic world but, Slavic world isn`t popular idea. Anyway, today Adriatic belong to Croatia, tomorrow it may belong to Germany or EU,... the day after tomorrow... well, who knows
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Nov 2010 #12
On the other hand, There are quite a few more Dutch trucks rolling around now, and Dutch money is being invested heavily all around (with tidy profits).

The problem though, is a good one. Dutch taxpayers are paying for it. It should be coming out of corporate income taxes, as companies see the biggest benefit (which of course in the end is a benefit to the employee, but it's too indirect).

I don't even think that most of the EU-12 countries should have been allowed to join in the first place. Slovenia, yes - it's catching up rapidly. Estonia too. But the rest? No way.

The entire idea was equilibrium. Are the Dutch getting any poorer? Social welfare for the poorer countries, and corporate welfare for the richer countries.

Not enough power for the people who are paying for the experiment. There need to be way more referendums on issues. People are confused as to what MEPs and MPs are responsible for anymore, and they stopped caring. Huge blow to democracy.
A J 4 | 1,088
6 Nov 2010 #13
yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it

Oh, believe me, I am.

The problem though, is a good one. Dutch taxpayers are paying for it. It should be coming out of corporate income taxes, as companies see the biggest benefit (which of course in the end is a benefit to the employee, but it's too indirect).

You mean it benefits the cheap labour migrants, because we're basically financing our own unemployment.
George8600 10 | 637
6 Nov 2010 #14
yep, you guys can be seriously peed off about it (read EU budget)

lol look at Poland here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_statistics#Proportion_of_non-EU_nationals
A J 4 | 1,088
6 Nov 2010 #15
lol look at Poland here:

Have you seen the corruption list? Wow! I mean, I knew we were corrupt already, but I didn't know we were more corrupt than Poland? I'm afraid terminology like economic freedom doesn't mean much to the average citizen though, since it's a term used to describe the current climate of business.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #16
lol look at Poland here:

yep, it shows that Poland is still "very" Polish :-)
A J 4 | 1,088
6 Nov 2010 #17
What is so nice about EU and can`t be done without EU?

I guess some politicians think it's nice to get their countries indebted to the IMF, which will undoubtedly secure the power of the international corporates and banks, and the hold they will have over some countries. (If you can see where I'm going?)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
6 Nov 2010 #18
looks like Serbia to me

Indeed its probably Crows grandfather, what with the serbs DNA being 25% arab.
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #19
serbs DNA being 25% arab.

I bet crow will love it, lol
Bolle 1 | 147
6 Nov 2010 #20
lol look at Poland here:

Looks good.
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Nov 2010 #21
Fits the trend as well. Poland shares low numbers along with Romania and Bulgaria. Most migrants are economic migrants, so it makes sense for them to avoid the poorest countries in the EU.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,730
6 Nov 2010 #22
I think they're starting to discover that Poland is quite easy to obtain residency in, though.
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #23
Indeed its probably Crows grandfather, what with the serbs DNA being 25% arab.

its very funny. But when you mentioned, that`s actually how i see your father. Old Peter is quite ugly creature, indeed. Send my regards to creep

looks like Serbia to me

I bet crow will love it, lol

sure. Just don`t spread your jokes among girls and they would take you little bit more serious
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #24
Just don`t spread your jokes among girls

You know I wouldn't do it. It would be an insult to talk about women around you.
convex 20 | 3,978
6 Nov 2010 #25
ouch, lol

No ouch, it's just a fact. It's growing a lot faster than Western economies, but the people are still among the lowest earning in the EU. Why go for that, when you could pluck the easy fruit?
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #26
You know I wouldn't do it. It would be an insult to talk about women around you.

to tell you frankly, i don`t understand your sense of humor. Still, as long as you enjoy its glad to me if i may assist. So please, continue
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #27
to tell you frankly, i don`t understand your sense of humor

I'll be extremely unhappy if you did crow, I mean it.
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #28
EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Poland: School Censorship Proposal Threatens Basic Rights

hrw.org/en/news/2007/03/18/poland-school-censorship-proposal-threatens-basic-rights

The spread of intolerance in Poland has become an international concern and a challenge to the EU's basic values. Poland fought too long and hard for its democracy to let hate-filled officials roll back essential freedoms

I'll be extremely unhappy if you did crow, I mean it.

Thank you. i mean it
guesswho 4 | 1,289
6 Nov 2010 #29
you're quite welcome crow ;-)
OP Crow 137 | 7,721
6 Nov 2010 #30
EU bringing many nice things to Poland >>>

Accession of Turkey to the European Union
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

The earliest date that Turkey could enter the EU is 2013, the date when the next financial perspectives (the EU's six year budgetary perspectives) will come into force. Ankara is currently aiming to comply with EU law by this date, but Brussels has refused to back 2013 as a deadline. In 2006 European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said that the accession process will take at least until 2021.



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