Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

Nope Harry, no lies here.

:):):):):) Sort of.

But the Simpsons, if they lived here, would vote Palikot, in fact. :):):)

New parliament members that Poland hasn`t seen yet: 6

One of the youngest members: Michał Kabaciński, 23 years old. Palikot Party rep. Free Cannabis Movement supporter.

pl-pl.facebook.com/kabacinski2011

2 things worry me in Poland.

1/ The mainstream media seem to constantly attack PiS, even though they are not the ones in power!!!!

2/ So many people speak of the 30% of PiS supporters in Poland as whack jobs, 30% of Poland!!!! Yet the 10% who are supporting Palikot or 8% supporting SLD seem to be fine.

So which party do you think they should attack? The one that's accusing the president of having conspired with Russia to murder his predecessor or some other dodgy party?


If the cap fits, wear it.


There's plenty of 'media' who support PiS. If you don't like what one nespaper says, buy another.

Theoretically in modern democracy media should provide information and scrutinize a party being in charge. Not attacking opposition for point out real and not so real fail of government. That is their job.

In practice of the bastardized version of democracy - its OK to attack any-party perceived by the PC brigade as not ours!
My Question (rhetorical )is that can be still called democracy?


Define plenty and define support!


Nope they are too silly to vote somebody else than PO.


Stop your lies and stop stirring shyte ....


You need to take care of your mental health, you are loosing it.

And they do.


So they shouldn't attack an opposition party? They should only attack the party who just won? They did plenty of that when PiS were (briefly) in government. Are you really saying that a newspaper or other media outlet shouldn't support a particular party simply because the voters chose it? Weird.


Exactly. The market decides. As do the voters.

Do they ?


They should attack nobody, they should find out facts about politicians and inform public about them.


The marked decide shtye, the dudes in back seats decide and then sell it to the public ...

Did you read what you wrote? You just admitted they did attack the party who won when it was PiS, but they seem to do it less with PO. Not only that but they continue to attack PiS. I don't remember them attacking the opposition to PiS when they were in power. The media generally should not be supporting any party as it goes against what the media is supposed to do, give us information, not try to convince us to see stuff like they want us to. Unfortunately media is biased. There is both pro PiS and pro PO media but the mainstream media tends to be very anti PiS, whether they are in power or the opposition.

Tell me when you have moved on from the denial phase to the bargaining one, because at the moment I still get the feeling that you believe that denial is a river in north Africa(:

Gazeta Polska licks their arse constantly, and they're #2 by newspapers sold. Get over it - in Poland, the media is partisan - even public TV was thoroughly manipulated by PiS into broadcasting all sorts of crap.


That's because they are fine. Have you ever seen Palikot cause Poland to get laughed at by foreigners (see also : Krakowskie Przedmiescie) - or the SLD spending more time ranting about Russians than actually opposing? Do you see people writing absolutely ridiculously insane things in the name of the SLD? No, you don't.


Indeed, Gazeta Polska is doing very well for itself, despite the utter garbage and constant attacks on the Government/President. The same newspaper even published "details' of Komorowski's alleged heart condition!


Hahaha, can you imagine, Gazeta Polska forced to tell the truth. That would be hilarious - no-one would read!


Actually, the media is just partisan in Poland. The vast majority of media outlets are biased in some direction - nothing new there. You could start by examining TVP when it was run by that PiS nobody - they were constantly broadcasting pro-PiS propoganda.


Yeah yeah, all very idealistic, but even in the "glory days" of Pilsudski, the media was utterly partisan. Heck, Solidarity hardly published "fair" things about the PZPR - most of it was just outright attacks on the Government of the day.


See, PiS supporters keep claiming this, but where's your evidence for this?

Unfortunately, they tend to class anyone who publishes *anything* bad about them as being anti-PIS - and it's this hysteria that keeps them out of power. Gazeta Wyborcza didn't need to say anything when Jarek publicly said that he would punish anyone who says "wrong' things in the media - his words were enough.

True



that would be the day(:

You know delphiandomine you are the one who needs to 'get over' PiS supposedly manipulating TVP when they were in power. When I attack the media for being so anti PiS your argument is 'well PiS was manipulative so now media is getting back at them.' For so many years? Give me a break, that reasoning is bull! You know two wrongs don't make a right. To be fair though there is no use discussing it with you. I can see the hatred for PiS in the way you write on here. There is no way that you would ever try to be fair, you don't like them and you probably never will, end of story. Don't ask me for proof that mainstream media [Polsat, TVN, Gazeta Wyborcza] are anti PiS, it is clear as day. As for Gazeta Polska being a bunch of liars, I disagree. They have an agenda, yes, so does most media, but liars? No.

Not supposedly, it was a fact in state TV. Only pro-PiS journalists kept their contracts, others were fired. In programs, political opponents of PiS were not allowed to voice their objections and only their supporters were allowed to speak.

Fortunately, other private TV stations made up for that craziness.

PiS-controlled public media was a joke.

But of course PO is not doing anything like that now, right?

Were you here, watching TVP and seeing the crap that they broadcasted? Or are you just relying on what Gazeta Polska tells you, along with how their boss was "unfairly" removed and so on?

Perhaps you might want to look at the wholescale evasion of paying the licence fee in Poland - a lot of that is down to the utter manipulation of TVP by PiS.


Nasz Dziennik, Gazeta Polska and countless others have been anti-PO for years, too. Is it really that difficult to see that in Poland, the media is partisan, and that's just how it is? As I said - the manipulation of TVP by PiS was the point when the media became really partisan - it's all their own fault.


Hatred? I find them amusing as hell, especially now that they're firmly condemned to spending 3 years in the electoral wasteland. I don't like their extreme socialist views, I don't like the way that they manipulate the church for their own political agendas - all in all, I'm happy that they're nowhere near the halls of power.


Disagree, do we?

m.wyborcza.pl/wyborcza/1,105226,9983691,Rymkiewicz_ma_przeprosic.html

Liars through and through. Convicted liars, at that.

Worth pointing out that PiS and related media have been hauled up in court many, many times over outright lying - it's almost normal to open the newspaper and discover that they've been prosecuted for lying about something or other.

Oh I see so you that is how works. If Gazeta Wyborcza tells you something about how Gazeta Polska are liars, you go for it, but if Gazeta Polska uncovers something about the government or perhaps says something about Gazeta Wyborcza, it's clearly lies. Don't worry I understand your situation. You're biast and Gazeta Wyborcza supports the views you probably had already. It is like that with many of us.

Of course it is clear. They are also against many other bad things which exist in the world. They are also against fascism, Lukashenka, exploitation of women, pedophilia, corrupt politicians, immoral clergy, bombings of civilians etc etc.

Why shouldn`t they be against PiS and why do you think it is unfair?

They're not telling me, they're informing me that Gazeta Polska were convicted of lying. There's a difference.

Gazeta Polska, convicted liars? Fact.
Gazeta Wyborcza, liberal-Jewish-communist conspiracy theory? Speculation.

That's exactly why Gazeta Wyborcza doesn't tend to get prosecuted (except when PiS were harassing them in power) and Gazeta Polska does.

I will provide you a link with info about PiS takeover of public media and purges organised in TV and Radio in 2005-2007. A lot of interesting/extensive reading:

4lomza.pl/forum/read.php?f=1&i=160162&t=160133

A comment which suits those events very well: Daylight robbery! :):):):):)

If you want, provide links about PO purges.

Well first I want to say that pro PiS media is also against many bad things such as PO, fascism, Lukashenka, exploitation of women, corrupt politicians [not so sure the pro PO media is so against this], immoral clergy, bombings of civilians etc.

It is unfair that they act like they are just explaining what is happening, when actually they are taking quite an active part in politics themselves and some people do not realise this. They can be pro PO if they like but should stop pretending they are neutral when they are clearly not.

PO? Well, duh - PO have no time for racist old people who can barely string a sentence together.

Is it? They're only against Lukashenko because they want to reclaim the lands of morons.

Fascism? Their very ideology borders on fascism at times - they're only against fascism that opposes them. You just need to listen to some hooligans to see that fascism goes hand-in-hand with PiS. In fact, in modern times, PiS are probably closest to Franco's Spain.

Exploitation of women? Riiiight...that's why many PiS supporters think women should stay at home.

Corrupt politicians? There's nothing more corrupt than putting a young (and totally inexperienced in media) lawyer in charge of TVP, is there?

Immoral clergy? They're only against the clergy which doesn't support their view of how the Church should be, such as the journalists from Tygodnik Powszechny and the bishops who dared to speak out about the abuse of the cross. Nothing is said about Rydzyk's exploitation of vulnerable pensioners.

Bombings of civilians? I didn't see PiS rushing to withdraw Polish troops, did you?


Pretending? Who is...pretending here?

I don't recall Monika Olejnik ever pretending to like PiS...

You are a true PiS supporter! :):):):)

That is why you cannot understannd that one can be both perfectly neutral and against PiS at the same time.

The funny thing with most PiS supporters is that they simply can't understand that publishing a transcript (or a video) of what was said by someone is not immediately an attack on them - it's just publishing what happened.

PiSers don`t comprehend certain things. They mentally stuck in 20 century, in the bolshevik past. For them power means liquidation of opposition.

Listening to you I feel like I am at a cinema, forced to watch propaganda films. Basically you guys act like the voice of reason but the truth is simple. You don't like PiS, those who do are mad, in your opinion, so therefore almost 1/3 of Poland is mad, and it's as simple as that, for you. Someone said previously that I have to let democracy take its course and I am. It is a shame for me that PO is in charge again, but I accept it. I do not hate PO or Tusk, I just don't want them to be in charge and feel they have handled many of their obligations badly, but I accept that it was the choice that was made, democratically. It is funny to me though when I see so many people out demonstrating, not long after the elections. Oh they are probably PiS supporters right? If they are not then why on earth did PO get voted in?

On a side not by the way, in today's 'kawa na ławe' I noticed that RP Palikota had Palikot representing them. The other 4 parties had some other members of the party. My questions is, why?

Is it because Palikot has such a big ego he has to be in TV all the time?

Is it because he does not trust the other members from his party to put across his ideas well enough?

It is strange to me that the 3rd party in Poland is represented in debating programs by Palikot while other leaders are 'too important,' if you like, to take part.

More probably because he's the founder of the party; the party bears his name and unlike most of the other parties (I'm especially thinking PiS and SLD here, though PO are by no means immune) there aren't factions, camps, cliques each with their own spokespeople jostling for a place in the limelight. A dearth of spindoctors too.

Wow! Great thanks. :):):):)


Wow! Thanks again. You are very generous with that acceptance of yours, indeed. :):):):):):):) Should I kneel down now? :):):):)

However, if PiS had won, would you refrain from exterminating its opponents?

I know you wouldn`t. :):):)


Yes, he is very self-centred and loves to be in the public eye.

That's how we feel when watching Jaroslaw Kaczynski talk.


That's actually the logic used by PiS voters, the majority of whom simply cannot comprehend/understand why everyone isn't voting for Our Great Leader Jaroslaw.


You're in a tiny minority then. Look online - PiS voters simply do not want to accept the legitimacy of the Tusk Government and are willing (or at least, they say they're willing) to do anything to oppose it. In fact - the best hope for PiS right now is to cooperate with the Government - there are *some* areas where they could cooperate.


They actually probably are PiS voters - a lot of their views are eerily similar to the ones exposed by the youth wing of PiS. No bad thing to demonstrate, provided it doesn't get violent/shameful.


Or maybe because Palikot has by far the biggest name - the vast majority of his movement is made up of inexperienced politicians. They are very much 'the future' - but until he's groomed a few people, he's about the only person they have. No-one is kidding themselves - Ruch Palikota is very much a new party, free from the nonsense of old.

Of course they are. Look what they wrote on their banners: We are PiSsed off!

what do you need pawian is a kick in your hole.
Anyway when I will have a while I will refute all your points.....you and that dephiansomething

Sure there is no reason to be unsatisfied with government other than being supporter of PiS, are you really saying that?