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Papal Day in Poland JP2


polonius 54 | 420
17 Oct 2012  #1
Yesterday away celebrated as Papal Day in Poland, and the TV channels showed lots of footage about JP2 plus interviews with people who knew and loved him. One survey was cited showing that since his death a steady 94% of Poles said they recognise him as the surpeme authority. However during that period regular (at least once a week) chruch attendance has fallen form 58% to 40%. That might suggest a rift between declarations and practice. People delcare their attachment to the teachings of JP2 becasue 'tak wypada', but.... Anyway, what's your take on this?
Orpheus - | 114
17 Oct 2012  #2
One survey was cited showing that since his death a steady 94% of Poles said they recognise him as the surpeme authority.

What does this statistic mean? Supreme authority on what? He's dead.
Ifleity?
sobieski 107 | 2,129
17 Oct 2012  #3
What about that source proving churches are used as brothels in Europe? Still waiting for that one.
Harry
17 Oct 2012  #4
One survey was cited showing that since his death a steady 94% of Poles said they recognise him as the surpeme authority.

Tut tut tut, so many Poles not knowing the ten commandments!
sobieski 107 | 2,129
17 Oct 2012  #5
One survey was cited showing that since his death a steady 94% of Poles said they recognise him as the surpeme authority

Which source?
jon357 63 | 14,122
17 Oct 2012  #6
94% of Poles said they recognise him as the surpeme authority.

I thought McDonalds was the supreme authority, closely followed by the Coca Cola company, Jogobella, and God.
Richfilth 6 | 415
17 Oct 2012  #7
Polonius may be referring to the same CBOS poll quoted in this article:

reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/us-poland-religion-idUSBRE89G09320121017
jon357 63 | 14,122
17 Oct 2012  #8
As well he might, given that his name is among those at the bottom. Nevertheless, it doesn't say anything about a deceased former pope being the "supreme authority".

People can make their own minds up. As that article accurately suggests, the church is only one influence among many.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,625
17 Oct 2012  #9
Nevertheless, it doesn't say anything about a deceased former pope being the "supreme authority".

He's making stuff up as per usual - either he's not telling the whole story, or he lied about it.

As well he might, given that his name is among those at the bottom.

You mean he contributes to more than extreme right wing Polonia rags?
Harry
17 Oct 2012  #10
He's making stuff up as per usual

Such as the word "Ifleity". Since when has that existed?

either he's not telling the whole story, or he lied about it.

Given how he appears simply unable to control himself when it comes to lying or to telling only one side of the story, one does wonder how the hell he thinks he can produce halfway decent articles.
rybnik 18 | 1,462
17 Oct 2012  #11
Such as the word "Ifleity".

what does that even mean?
jon357 63 | 14,122
17 Oct 2012  #12
There's a word 'illeity'. Obscure though.
Harry
17 Oct 2012  #13
what does that even mean?

Nothing. The word simply does not exist; he has made it up.
Richfilth 6 | 415
17 Oct 2012  #14
As well he might, given that his name is among those at the bottom.

Seems hard to believe, considering I know three of the four men to whom that article is accredited. Maybe his eager fingers made a misspelling of "fealty"?
sobieski 107 | 2,129
17 Oct 2012  #15
I may have missed something but I cannot say it was a big item here in Poland. I recall an article in Rz and GW, but besides of that? In our office for sure nobody was talking about it. Main topic was the swimming pool across the river :)
jon357 63 | 14,122
17 Oct 2012  #16
I may have missed something but I cannot say it was a big item here in Poland. I

It wasn't - nothing special, the time warp that sections of Polish society was stuck in is fading away.

Richfilth, maybe you know the OP...
Orpheus - | 114
17 Oct 2012  #17
You mean he contributes to more than extreme right wing Polonia rags?

A stringer for Reuters. I wonder if they know about the illiterate crap he puts up here.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,625
17 Oct 2012  #18
I wonder if they know about the illiterate crap he puts up here.

They must do, he's written plenty of ridiculously biased articles for the Polonia newspapers too.

Strange how he's toned down the insults recently, isn't it?
jon357 63 | 14,122
18 Oct 2012  #19
From: wordnik.com/words/illeity

'illeity' has been looked up 114 times, loved by 2 people, and is not a valid Scrabble word.

If a word is used often enough, perhaps it will end up in the dictionary.
boletus 30 | 1,366
18 Oct 2012  #20
a word is used often enough, perhaps it will end up in the dictionary.

From Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Entry: Emmanuel Levinas. He introduced a concept of "he-ness", Illeity.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/levinas

From fractal Ontology, refracting theory: politics, cybernetics, philosophy. Article: "Ipseity and Illeity, or Thinking Ethics without the Other of the Other"

fractalontology.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/ipseity-and-illeity-or-thinking-ethics-without-the-other-of-the-other/

In conversation three of Ethics and Infinity, Levinas recounts the philosophical and existential implications of theil y a, the 'there is' or what he calls the "phenomenon of impersonal being"

Harry
18 Oct 2012  #22
Might be from a dialect.
boletus 30 | 1,366
18 Oct 2012  #23
what does that even mean?

IFLEITY is Polunius'es "itchy fingers" typo, which happens to him quite often recently. The real word is ILLEITY, which I referred to three posts ago.

I happen to have at home Ryszard Kapuściński's collected lectures, under the name "Ten Inny" (This Other), 2006. It includes "Wykłady Wiedeńskie (I-III) (Vienna Lectures) - 2004, "Mój Inny" (My Other) - Graz 1990, "Inny w innej wiosce" (The Other in Another Village) - Kraków 2003, "Spotkanie z Innym jako wyzwanie XXI wieku" (Meeting with Other as a challenge of XXI century).

Here is his relevent quote of Józef Tischner, from his "The Pholosophy of Drama" (1998):

U początku pochodzenia świadomości ja leży obecność ty, a być może obecność ogólniejszego my. Dopiero w dialogu, w sporze, w opozycji, a także w dążeniu do nowej wspólnoty tworzy się świadomość mojego ja, jako istoty samoistnej, odrębnej od drugiego. Wiem, że ja jestem, bo wiem, że drugi jest.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Tischner

The philosophy of drama is a direction, orientation or a trend, which intends to handle the basic problem of man - I and his relation with Other man.

In modern times this trend was created and developed by Martin Buber, Franz Rosenzweig, Gabriel Marcel and most often recalled by Tischner - Emmanuel Lévinas.
OP polonius 54 | 420
18 Oct 2012  #24
Profuse apols! The typo-creating software kicked in again...
I think it was supposed to be fealty or maybe fidelity, when the phone rand, and afterwards I didn't go over the text. Minor typos are usually deciphrable but this one admittedy was a doozy!

BTW is there a spell-check mechnaism somewhered on PF? Copy-pasting into Word and then re-pasting into PF is quite time consuming.
jon357 63 | 14,122
18 Oct 2012  #25
The real word is ILLEITY, which I referred to three posts ago.

Indeed. I seem to remember referring to it myself in the post before yours.

IFLEITY however is an archaic word, occurring in certain Kashubian village dialects meaning great-grandmother.
boletus 30 | 1,366
18 Oct 2012  #26
Indeed. I seem to remember referring to it myself in the post before yours.

Yes, indeed, you were the first mentioning it. I do not claim the birthright to the word, but I referred Rybnik to my previous post because it had links to the definitions, including etymology ILLEITY => "IL Y A". Then I followed it up with the related concepts, to provide some further insight. What's wrong with that? I did not think I would have to explain this to you. :-(

IFLEITY however is an archaic word, occurring in certain Kashubian village dialects meaning great-grandmother.

And this supposed to be funny, right?


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