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Polands new class of immigrant.


wwwpolyglotocom 1 | 21
6 Dec 2011 #31
I am convinced 100% it is so m much easier for the Poles moving to the Uk, than other non Poles moving to Poland.

I think it was easier for Poles few years ago when so many of them were employed despite they did not know English. In GB and Ireland it's begun to change now. Good level of English language is necessary to get a proper job abroad, unless you want to work for less than a minimum wage. If non Poles are moving to Poland is hard for them because they do not know the language and in many places in Poland it is hard to communicate in any other language than Polish.
OP Wedle 15 | 490
6 Dec 2011 #32
If non Poles are moving to Poland is hard for them because they do not know the language and in many places in Poland it is hard to communicate in any other lan

Unfortunately many Ang/Pol couples are moving here with great expectations that they are going to shake the apple tree. There is very little opportunity unless you speak Polish.
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
6 Dec 2011 #33
Agreed 100%, also we must take into consideration many of the Brits/Irish/Americans et al who have been around a while in Poland have busted their balls to carve out a living, nothing comes easy in Poland especially if you have lack of disposable. I am convinced 100% it is so much easier for the Poles moving to the Uk/Ireland other nations, than other non Poles moving to Poland.

Yup, agreed.

I mean, take a look on this forum - almost every week, we see some joker saying "hi ive just moved to poznan looking 2 giv english lessons or grammer thanx contact me". They haven't got a hope in hell, Poland is going to eat them up - it's simply not the place for someone who doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. I suspect a lot of them also aren't ready for the shock that their partner is going to be earning crap wages as she'll probably have to start at the bottom, especially if she was working in a crap job in the UK.

I look at my current job - it effectively took three years of ridiculous hours, a great deal of crap from people I worked with and a lot of broken sleep before I got into a good position work-wise. And that same position pays what - I think about half of what it would pay in the UK. It does have perks, but there's still plenty of ball-busting ahead of me.

But what shocks me is that most of them seem to have put absolutely no thought into their move. I can understand it when you've got a flat, a car, health insurance and so on paid for - but when you're just moving because there's nothing for you in the UK (or more accurately, some woman refuses to stay there any longer...) - insane.

Unfortunately many Ang/Pol couples are moving here with great expectations that they are going to shake the apple tree. There is very little opportunity unless you speak Polish.

Speak Polish, have cash OR be willing to work hard and have something that they want. And be willing to network like mad.
OP Wedle 15 | 490
6 Dec 2011 #34
But what shocks me is that most of them seem to have put absolutely no thought into their move. I can understand it when you've got a flat, a car, health insurance and so on paid for - but when you're just moving because there's nothing for you in the UK (or more accurately, some woman refuses to stay there any longer...) - insane.

I am of the same opinion, please don't get me wrong Poland is an awesome place to visit, although there is a very big difference from drinking beers on the Rynek and carving out a living. The best advice that could be given is learn Polish before you turn up here. Its required of the Poles in England to speak english, so what makes you the English speaker any different in Poland. Be prepared to assimilate with the locals.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,366
6 Dec 2011 #35
but when you're just moving because there's nothing for you in the UK (or more accurately, some woman refuses to stay there any longer...) - insane

sooner or later the divorce rate of such people will show up in the statistics. although i have no idea what the rate is at the moment, i'd wager it's growing.
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
6 Dec 2011 #36
I am of the same opinion, please don't get me wrong Poland is an awesome place to visit, although there is a very big difference from drinking beers on the Rynek and carving out a living. The best advice that could be given is learn Polish before you turn up here. Its required of the Poles in England, so what makes you the English speaker any different in Poland.

Indeed, I realised today how much you need Polish for ordinary things. I was buying a hole-punch - now - if I didn't know the Polish word for this, I would've never got what I wanted. As it stood, I didn't actually know the word - but I could describe it in Polish.
dtaylor5632 18 | 1,999
6 Dec 2011 #37
Speak Polish, have cash OR be willing to work hard and have something that they want. And be willing to network like mad.

Exactly, I remember when I first came to Krakow those many years ago (where did they go?). Moved with the ex and after 2 weeks of living there she buggered off back to Scotland and I was left just to get on with it, didn't know the city, the language or wtf I was doing. Took a lot of hard graft to get to where I ended up in terms of job, wages and reputation. Oh how silly I was to think I could teach private English lessons in the beginning.
OP Wedle 15 | 490
6 Dec 2011 #38
sooner or later the divorce rate of such people will show up in the statistics. although i have no idea what the rate is at the moment, i'd wager it's growing

Very good point Wroclaw, the rate I am sure is higher than the national average, it is also a clash of cultures the Brits and Irish turn up here thinking they are going to act the same as do in the uK/Ireland - down the Pub,the Polish spouse is having none of it, time to conform and be a family man,you are in Poland.

reputation

You created the Davidek you canny scotsman, unfortunately you didn't register the brand name.
dtaylor5632 18 | 1,999
7 Dec 2011 #39
You created the Davidek you canny scotsman, unfortunately you didn't register the brand name.

How do you know about this?! I'm raking my brain trying to think :D

Oh but yes the Davidek is trademarked :D
delphiandomine 87 | 18,070
7 Dec 2011 #40
Very good point Wroclaw, the rate I am sure is higher than the national average, it is also a clash of cultures the Brits and Irish turn up here thinking they are going to act the same as do in the uK/Ireland - down the Pub,the Polish spouse is having none of it, time to conform and be a family man,you are in Poland.

Yep, I've seen two or three cases where someone has moved here, only to discover that their girlfriend (who was previously happy to let them booze) suddenly doesn't want them out on the ****. And of course, the tension rises.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a spate of divorces in the coming years in Poland, especially when they realise that they're far worse off than a Polish man in the same position. What self respecting Polish woman is going to stick with a British loser earning 4k when she can have a Polish man who earns 10k AND who has a nice car?
OP Wedle 15 | 490
7 Dec 2011 #41
How do you know about this?! I'm raking my brain trying to think :D

Davey I have read some of your previous posts, so I recall.
Wroclaw Boy
8 Dec 2011 #42
Exactly, I remember when I first came to Krakow those many years ago (where did they go?). Moved with the ex and after 2 weeks of living there she buggered off back to Scotland and I was left just to get on with it,

i think its more a case of the British partner convincing the Polish other half to emigrate to Poland, it was definitely my idea to live in Poland.
OP Wedle 15 | 490
8 Dec 2011 #43
I have spoken to a few youngish Ang/Pol couples recently,more often than not the reason for returning was for her to go back to studies and get better qualifications and then return to the UK, he just tagged along because there was nothing better going on and they were expecting to survive on his money from teaching English, when he gets a job.

They don't make them like they used to Wroclaw boy, the ones turning up in town now are not the thrill seeking pioneer type. If anything they are p*ssy whipped and its their first girlfriend at 28 you know the type.
FlaglessPole 4 | 654
8 Dec 2011 #44
They don't make them like they used to Wroclaw boy, the ones turning up in town now are not the thrill seeking pioneer type. If anything they are p*ssy whipped and its their first girlfriend at 28 you know the type

lol oh boy you're so right, I see those guys in Thailand daily (they are primarily from UK), quite often 'dating' a bar-girl and referring to her as a girlfriend, the most pathetic part is that they actually believe the bullshit they say
OP Wedle 15 | 490
8 Dec 2011 #45
FlaglessPole, lets hope its a girl and not a ladybai lol
pam
8 Dec 2011 #46
The best advice that could be given is learn Polish before you turn up here. Its required of the Poles in England to speak english, so what makes you the English speaker any different in Poland. Be prepared to assimilate with the locals.

it isnt required of the poles in england to speak english, but without knowledge of the language,any pole is going to be looking only at minimum wage. i have many polish friends, some with good jobs ( because their english is not bad ) but most of my friends are employed as cleaners, farm workers etc. i definitely think its easier for polatsy to work here with no language skills. cant imagine anyone getting much work in poland unless they have at least basic polish. uk is now getting harder though, 7 of my friends are now back in poland having lost their jobs....
OP Wedle 15 | 490
8 Dec 2011 #47
uk is now getting harder though, 7 of my friends are now back in poland having lost their jobs....

The UK is going to get very tough over the next 12 months, I don't believe the Poles will come home as the economy here is slowing down. Aus,New Zealand and Canada have a certain allure these days.
Wroclaw Boy
8 Dec 2011 #48
the ones turning up in town now are not the thrill seeking pioneer type. If anything they are p*ssy whipped and its their first girlfriend at 28 you know the type.

Unfortunately i do; some of the most hideous British men in toe of some pretty ruff, missing teeth looking but young Polish women (it has to be said) in search of pastures green in Poland. Ive seen some right states turn up at the airport but hey man whos to accuse. If they're happy so be it, you cant knock happiness.
Teffle 22 | 1,319
8 Dec 2011 #49
Jesus - is it that common?

but hey man whos to accuse. If they're happy so be it, you cant knock happiness.

Nice touch though. (and I'm not being sarcastic)
OP Wedle 15 | 490
8 Dec 2011 #50
Ive seen some right states turn up at the airport but hey man whos to accuse. If they're happy so be it, you cant knock happiness.

Love is blind so they say, there is also a lot to be said for beer goggles.
pam
8 Dec 2011 #51
I don't believe the Poles will come home as the economy here is slowing down

they are going home, know this for a fact amongst my friends. having said that its all dependant on job skills/language skills.my lokator has just gone home but is coming back in early march. he was working here as a gardener,but not enough work to go around for the winter.he is actually a really experienced carpenter,but doesnt speak any english at all,so obviously his chances of finding work slightly hampered...i would imagine poles going to aus, canada etc are the ones that do speak english and have a trade. cant imagine any pole being granted a visa to stay in a different country with no language or job skills. however dont know too much about visa regulations, so maybe im wrong
wwwpolyglotocom 1 | 21
8 Dec 2011 #52
I agree with Pam. Many Poles are coming back home from Ireland and Great Britain because there is no jobs for them any longer. The truth is they were employed couple of years ago (even not knowing the language) because there was no one else to work. At the moment the employer can choose between those with good level of English or native speakers and people not able to communicate. There is no that many job around as it used to be.
OP Wedle 15 | 490
9 Dec 2011 #53
Many Poles are coming back home from Ireland and Great Britain because there is no jobs for them any longer.

They are not coming back to easy times in Poland this are about to get difficult for some.

wbj.pl/article-57223-over-2-million-poles-struggling-with-d ebt.html
wbj.pl/article-57228-regional-wealth-divide-growing-in-poland.html
Meathead 5 | 469
9 Dec 2011 #54
. cant imagine any pole being granted a visa to stay in a different country with no language or job skills. however dont know too much about visa regulations, so maybe im wrong

Chicago
wwwpolyglotocom 1 | 21
9 Dec 2011 #55
Well I believe it is not easy in Poland as well but at least they are in their home country, with families and they know the language, so there is no barrier to communicate.

Wszędzie dobrze, ale w domu najlepiej :)
OP Wedle 15 | 490
10 Dec 2011 #56
Poles will always find a reason to complain, it as sure as eggs are eggs.
Wroclaw Boy
18 Dec 2011 #57
There is no that many job around as it used to be.

But there IS work, i had a Pole come out recently who found two different jobs, his English was extremely basic, he managed to get a job for about £350 take home a week. He did actually go back to Poland as he recieved an excellent offer.

They are not coming back to easy times in Poland this are about to get difficult for some.

Big time agree.
pam
18 Dec 2011 #58
But there IS work

you are correct, but that is also dependant on where you live in the uk also. that would be the first problem, apart from language/job skills etc. its hard enough for english people to find work here now
Wroclaw Boy
19 Dec 2011 #59
but that is also dependant on where you live in the uk also

Well yeah, you know you cant expect to find work in small towns etc..

its hard enough for english people to find work here now

Many employers prefer Poles because they know that they can exploit them a little bit.
pam
20 Dec 2011 #60
Many employers prefer Poles because they know that they can exploit them a little bit.

not so much where i live. my lokator is coming back in january with a guaranteed job.his manager is fed up with lazy english people who knock off work early on a friday to go to the pub. its only a small company, but there are now 2 vacancies,and guess what, he wants polish people to work for him. he pays 7.50 an hour minimum. he just wants people that will turn up on time and put in in a good days work. guess there is good and bad everywhere workwise..very good company as well. my lokator is very happy to come back and work for him


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