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Poland needs four children per family for sustain survivor and development


convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #31
Poland needs national socialism?
OP Crow 137 | 7,879
31 Jul 2010 #32
what are you talking about?

If i said that Poland needs to stimulate arrival of more Arabs and Turks in Poland in order to increase its population, that would be politically correct?

but, after i said that Poland needs more new born Poles, i am labeled as Nazi? But, how could i be Nazi Pole, when i am Serbian?
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #33
but, after i said that Poland needs more Poles, i am labeled as Nazi?

You are associating national socialism (the political ideology) with the acts of the German National Socialists.

If you read the Nazi party platform, replace "German" with "Slav", and I think that you will probably find yourself nodding your head quite a bit.
OP Crow 137 | 7,879
31 Jul 2010 #34
i don`t wish to connect my suggestions for more new born Poles, with defect ideologies such was/is Nazism. My love for Poles and for my own Serbian people, after all for all Slavs, does not include hate for all who aren`t Slavs. i don`t feel hate for others but i simple talk about things that are necessary for survivor of Poland as ethnic Polish state, in global village. For one, Poland needs more new born Poles. Its simple as that

Increased population would generate new demands for consumption. New consumption would generate new production. More people in a system would generate demands for batter state organization and efficiency. Etc, etc.
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #35
i don`t wish to connect my suggestions for more new born Poles, with defect ideologies such was/is Nazism. My love for Poles and for my own Serbian people, after all for all Slavs, does not include hate for all who aren`t Slavs. i don`t feel hate for others but i simple talk about things that are necessary for survivor of Poland as ethnic Polish state, in global village. For one, Poland needs more new born Poles. Its simple as that

Just ignore the stigma that is attached to it, read over the platform, and tell me that you don't agree with it.

Increased population would generate new demands for consumption. New consumption would generate new production. More people in a system would generate demands for batter state organization and efficiency. Etc, etc.

With the idea that quantity drives progress. Quality drives progress. Technology drives efficiency, thus the need for less people. Look at how many people a single farmer can feed vs 100 years ago. Same goes for manufacturing. More people is the problem, not the solution.
Babinich 1 | 455
31 Jul 2010 #36
Then, as soon as possible, state needs to stimulate young people to have minimum four children per family

I totally disagree with you on this. Keep the state out!!!

I believe you're correct about having stable tradition families grow but unfortunately the religion of the day is narcissism.

kind of but overall sustainability depends on population growth, not decline and that is what's going on, as per above

Wrong...

Sustainability relies on productivity.
OP Crow 137 | 7,879
31 Jul 2010 #37
I totally disagree with you on this. Keep the state out!!!

let`s see what USA doing when wants to stimulate increase of its population. USA has its official state measures that deal with increase of USA population but USA also has private agencies that (for profit) helping immigration to USA. Very interesting. See for yourself...

USA official >>>

Green Card Lottery
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What is the U.S. Green Card Lottery?
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USA private >>>

Migration Bureau - Leading Visa Agency

WHO ARE WE? The Migration Bureau is a prominent, officially- recognised private immigration agency specifically established to represent you.

convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #38
let`s see what USA doing when wants to stimulate increase of its population. USA has its official state measures that deal with increase of USA population but USA also has private agencies that (for profit) helping immigration to USA. Very interesting. See for yourself... [imagine that Poland start to behave this way. You can`t imagine that, isn`t it? Poland has different role in international community, we know that.]

What's your point? The US needs as many people as possible to keep up the charade that consumption=wealth.

And what are you thoughts about the national socialist platform? Model for greater Slavia?
smurf 39 | 1,981
31 Jul 2010 #39
Increased population would generate new demands for consumption. New consumption would generate new production. More people in a system would generate demands for batter state organization and efficiency. Etc, etc.

ladies and gentlemen we have the 21st century John Maynard Keynes meets Adam Smith meets Karl Marx all rolled into one.

Please go and write a book Crow, i wont buy it though, i'll download it from a torrent site.

By your logic then places like India, Brazil, Russia & Nigeria (countries where the birth-rate has increased recently) are the hubs of world economy.
HA!
OP Crow 137 | 7,879
31 Jul 2010 #40
What's your point? The US needs as many people as possible to keep up the charade that consumption=wealth.

And what are you thoughts about the national socialist platform? Model for greater Slavia?

what you say is when USA stimulate increase of population it is `consumption=wealth` and when some Slavs suggests similar measures in Slavic countries its Nazism?

By your logic then places like India, Brazil, Russia & Nigeria (countries where the birth-rate has increased recently) are the hubs of world economy.

actually, those countries, especially India and Brazil have really great potential to become serious superpowers. They have large population and currently hurry to acquire newest technology.

HA!

you are the one who underestimate future technologies, not me. If you are familiar with current scientific research you would know that experts of future technologies predicting clear solution for problems with insufficient food. Let us just mention system of hydroponic reserves and algae farms, for instance.
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #41
what you say is when USA stimulate increase of population it is `consumption=wealth` and when some Slavs suggests similar measures in Slavic countries its Nazism?

Did you understand what I wrote? Why are you tying those two together?

What I wrote was that the concept that consumption=wealth is idiotic, probably the biggest economic problem in the world today. Why would that be something to move towards?

I also wrote that you seem to advocate a race oriented socialist view, and you probably have a lot in common with the nazi platform. Did you read it? Which points do you not agree with?

people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/H113/AH/platform.html - Nazi platform

Replace German with Slav and Jew with Muslim. You don't agree with it?

Here, I'll do it for you.

1.
We demand the unification of all Slavs in the Greater Slavia on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
2.
We demand equality of rights for the Slav people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the treaties of NATO and the EU.
3.
We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4
Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of Slav blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Muslim can be a member of the race.

5.
Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Slavia only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

6.
The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in Slavia, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.

7.
We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from Slavia.

8.
Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Slavs, who have immigrated to Slavia since 1990, be forced immediately to leave Slavia.

9.
All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11.
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.
12.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13.
We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14.
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15.
We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16.
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17.
We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

18.
We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

19.
We demand substitution of a Slav common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20.
The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious Slav to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21.
The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

22.
We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23.

We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a Slav press, we demand, that:

a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the Slav language be members of the race;
b. Non-Slav newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the Slav language;

c. Non-Slavs are forbidden by law any financial interest in Slav publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from Slavia of the non-Slav concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24.
We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Slavic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Muslim-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The Common Good before the individual good.

25.
For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in Slavia. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by Slavia within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
OP Crow 137 | 7,879
31 Jul 2010 #42
What I wrote was that the concept that consumption=wealth is idiotic, probably the biggest economic problem in the world today. Why would that be something to move towards?

we can talk about different economic concepts. That is for discussion, i agree

But simple, modern day Poland losing great deal of its population due to immigration in other countries and it is real problem. We can`t say how long would such a trend in Poland`s reality last but, it is already time for Poland to think how increase its own population.

We can talk of increased Polish birth rate or we can talk of immigration to Poland from other countries

Black kid dressed in Polish folk outfit

I believe you're correct about having stable tradition families grow but unfortunately the religion of the day is narcissism.

yes, increase of populations in Slavic countries doesn`t need to be problem that exclusively state has to solve. Problem require completely different way of thinking then it is currently ruling model of thinking. Maybe Church can help? Anyway, `narcissism` is problem. After all, humans are social beings and live in societies that has tradition and also those societies needs to continue its existence no matter if life of some individual ends.
convex 20 | 3,978
31 Jul 2010 #43
We can talk of increased Polish birth rate or we can talk of immigration to Poland from other countries

Why? Why not just let the population drop down to a sustainable amount? Why more? What benefit does it bring for a country with limited resources? How does introducing more competition for a limited amount of resource help Polish people?
Eurola 4 | 1,906
31 Jul 2010 #44
talk of increased Polish birth rate

Don't we have Southern on the loose? That should fix it.

Anyway, it is not only polish problem. White married couples have less and less children. Many do not have children at all, I didn't. I know at least three couples in their W's who don't plan on having any, making their parents unhappy, no grandkids...not to mention people marrying later in life and not able to have children, some chose adoption.

There is an explosion of young singles who can't find a partner (my two nieces in their 30's come to mind).
smurf 39 | 1,981
31 Jul 2010 #45
hose countries, especially India and Brazil have really great potential to become serious superpowers

one word, potential so I'll believe it when I see it

If you are familiar with current scientific research you would know that experts of future technologies predicting clear solution for problems with insufficient food. Let us just mention system of hydroponic reserves and algae farms, for instance.

Just because you read one issue of National Geographic doesn't mean you know how to solve the world's hunger problems.

If you'd actually do some proper reasearch you'll find that what's needed is to bring down birth-rates in developing countries so that they have better sustainable populations like countries of Europe.

Maybe Church can help?

Dont get those f*ckers involved. The roman church is losing numbers everyday, thankfully, how anyone can trust a religion thats run by a former nazi is beyond my belief. Although, seeing form

convex

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king polkakamon - | 544
31 Jul 2010 #46
More small companies and increase their incitement to hire 1 more person. If every small company would hire only 1 more person, the tax-money that can be used for welfare would be taken to a whole new level. And the expensive unemployment would decrease a lot.

Only a Swedish could think like that.


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