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US Military: The Army of Poland is crap.


asik 2 | 220
18 Dec 2010 #31
The US military is reportedly highly critical of the competence and capabilities of Polish forces serving in Afghanistan.

From what I know they are critical of every other army not only Polish, except their own.
Why bother to join the Americans in their wars anyway!
rychlik 41 | 373
18 Dec 2010 #32
Don't believe everything you read. The media always has an agenda. Don't forget this.
Stu 12 | 522
18 Dec 2010 #33
Not only the media ... .

Think of the following scenario: our Polish general feels he needs extra troups/extra equipment/extra this/extra that. He's been asking for it many a times in Warsaw, but he got nothing out of there. Our general and his American counterparts have frequent meetings.

Maybe the American military leaders tell the general to increase patrols or whatever. Our general will answer that he would love to, but because of <this or that> he isn't able to. And then he gets an idea: he asks his American counterparts to produce some general, anonymous statement that the Polish soldiers aren't up to their job, because as things stand he cannot guarantee full and meaningful deployment of his troops. (The Afghan security forces say the same about all the foreign troops, so that doesn't really count).

So these American counterparts "coincidentally" run into this Times-reporter who probably is embedded and they do exactly what the Polish general wants. It not only helps the Polish general, but it helps them too.

Now this message WILL be heard in Warsaw. The general can say to his superiors "Hey, I didn't say that, but maybe we should review <this or that>, because our American allies feel that <etc>".

Quite often, rychlik, you can also USE the media.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
18 Dec 2010 #34
US Military: Polish Army is crap.

Oh, really? That is open secret. Polish army is a piece of ****, everybody have known it before.
Plato - | 10
18 Dec 2010 #35
We (USA&Alies) shouldn't be there on the terms we are in the first place! We should educate them and fight islam really hard! Like allowing them sharia and stuff they will come back in ten years and make terrorist attacs again! Not supporting the soviet approach here, but if the soldiers, polish US or any soldiers, were told, we going down to teach the ************* how to do things, instead of helping them do things their own way, we would be a good way further solving the problem!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #36
Not supporting the soviet approach

What do you mean? Schools, hospitals, factories, etc. are also the parts of soviet approach.

Should I count what us approach means? Opium, bombing....
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Dec 2010 #37
don't even go there, your list will be much longer. Let's start with gulags.
rychlik 41 | 373
19 Dec 2010 #38
Quite often, rychlik, you can also USE the media.

I believe you.
sovereign_man - | 19
19 Dec 2010 #39
I say pull out leave Americans with their wars.

I am American and I agree with you, lets leave the war to the US federal government since they enjoy shooting and blowing up other countries so much.

One day they will encounter a force they cannot comprehend nor overpower and I will enjoy watching them get their asses handed to them.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #40
don't even go there, your list will be much longer. Let's start with gulags.

Gulag & Afghanistan? Clear anachronizm. Why you mentioned it? Suppose you simply felt yourself obliged to utter some nonsense.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #41
Ach, the Americans are just using their age-old strategy of deflection. They are focussing attention away from the fact that they are hardly any closer to defeating a group of frail old beardie folk. Let's set up a battle scenario. Polish soldiers Vs American ones. The Polish boys would strike fear into them, I can tell you that much.

The Americans are still stewing over their flawed strategy and McCain has put many to the sword and taken them to task over it. Negotiating with the Taliban, ROTFL. If that isn't an admission of defeat and a slap in the face of normal Afghans, I don't know what is. Get the ANA fully prepped and let them get into key strategic positions. They have local knowledge, speak the local language and are accustomed to rugged terrain. ALL major advantages.

I thought Operation Moshtarak was about telling the soldiers to step up their efforts. Do they really want to win this war or...?
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
19 Dec 2010 #42
Ha, it seems that something is going wrong between these intimate friends....
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #43
At least we have intimate friends, CK :) ;)

The Polish army is ready, provided they get their rations of cabbage, pickles and vodka :)

Check up on the nature of Polish missions and you will see that they have one of the hardest jobs out there.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Dec 2010 #44
US Gen. Campbell says the Time article criticism of Polish troops in Afghanistan is a load of crap...
mon.gov.pl/pl/artykul/10482
Wroclaw Boy
19 Dec 2010 #45
US Military: Polish Army is crap.

Have they ever complimented any fcuking army other than their own? Oh wait they complimented the Germans only to kiss their own backsides a little more.

They should have complimented the North Vietnamese all right. Straw hatted, plimsole and pyjama wearing short dudes whooped the greatest military power in the world. LOL.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #46
Now they have turban donning, scabby boot and old togs wearing bearded dudes doing the same :) You can't criticise their consistency but where's the progress? ;)
guesswho 4 | 1,289
19 Dec 2010 #47
Gulag & Afghanistan?

How about Gulags in Russia (or Soviet Union)?
Wroclaw Boy
19 Dec 2010 #48
Now they have turban donning, scabby boot and old togs wearing bearded dudes doing the same :)

had to chuckle at that.

The old insurgents hey? You just cannee beat them buggers without getting down and dirty..
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Dec 2010 #49
Wrong, the slit-eyes did not defeat the greatest military power on earth, the cowardly Washignton politicians did... those that succumebd to the pressue of hordes of unwashed, pot-puffing hippy pacifists and the liberal media. Ultimately the US hardliners of that era were right, becuase communism could have collapsed a coupla decades earlier. Also that might have nipped China's economic expansionism in the bid. As things went, the only result has been the internal disarming of American society leading to the break-up and social rot we see all around us today.
Wroclaw Boy
19 Dec 2010 #50
US Military: Polish Army is crap.

Didnt you mean CARP?

Wrong, the slit-eyes did not defeat the greatest military power on earth, the cowardly Washignton politicians did...

the war was unwinnable without nukes dude, thats it hook line and sinker.

You should come back to Poland mate, ive just about had enough of your BS.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #51
Pol3, that's a racist remark and I take offence to it as I have friends from Asia. They are as they are and variety is a great thing.

WB is right. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but it's full of drivel and hatred spewing BS. The US ALLOWED communism or have you never heard of Yalta/Tehran? They needed a future enemy and this need has been a mainstay throughout their approach to wars. At least the Polish army can fight conventional wars without weapons that maim innocent people. Oh, and collateral damage. How many innocent lives have drone attacks and wayward shots taken? (with feckin precision instruments, I might add). You know, given that the Polish army doesn't have access to the newest tech such as those IED mine destruction devices (a favoured weapon of the Taliban), I'd say they were doing fine. They don't fight in such large numbers and that's another point.

Simply put, America is a victim of its own strategies through a lack of forethought.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Dec 2010 #52
Isn't the term 'gook' the correct American slang for Vietnamese. Not to be confused with geek.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #53
Yeah, I heard they use dumb Polak as slang for Poles. Ever heard of that? Now, can you stay on topic!?

Americans need to appraise their own troops first before pointing the figure at others. 30,000 more troops and what progress has been made? Answer that honestly and we'll see who's really crap.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
19 Dec 2010 #54
Afghanistan's rugged topography -- impenetrable terrain with endless hide-outs in the hills -- has made that country unconquerable to Brits, Russians and probably NATO, barring the use of nukes which seems highly unlikely. Only if a clear Afghan majority reject the terrorist insurgents and trim them down to size can peace prevail. It's still a toss-up and depends how much NATO is prepared to invest in the effort.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2010 #55
We are not going to use nukes on anyone. The last thing we need are nukes involved in this. There are so many countries with nuclear missiles that pretty much guarantees they will not be used. So let's not push the panic button.
ShortHairThug - | 1,103
19 Dec 2010 #56
those that succumebd to the pressue of hordes of unwashed, pot-puffing hippy pacifists and the liberal media.

Typical thinking there, wrapping all that ails America in one neat little package and scapegoating as usual. At least you got half of it right, after achieving their aim those pot-puffing hippy pacifists and the liberal media returned to their rightful place and were content with puffing the magic dragon, it’s the lobby of the corporate greed that saw a market with over a billion potential customers that gave away the store and contributed to the rise of China the most. Starting with Ping pong diplomacy of the Nixon era and all subsequent governments who were granting China the most favored trade status for well over 30 years just to gain a foothold on that market, which btw were royally screwed in the process. I’m sorry but lack of negotiating skills on the part of your best and brightest CEO’s can’t be blamed on pot-puffing hippy pacifists.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #57
Ask actual US servicemen who have trained alongside Poles and they will paint quite a different picture.

The Poles have stayed the course and shown their loyalty. What have they got in return?
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2010 #58
It's true most do not profit from war. I don't think any of us are getting much out of this.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
19 Dec 2010 #59
As Ocean Colour Scene once sang, 'there's no profit in peace' for arms manufacturers. For us on the ground, we aren't witnessing benefits at all. I've love to discuss this with Obama in a frank way. He is just a line spinner.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649
19 Dec 2010 #60
Most do not profit, just a few greedy folks in certain industries...


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