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Mass immigration to Poland - article and response


RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Mar 2010 #451
You are of immigrant stock yourself, yes?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Mar 2010 #453
Then your pro immigration stance is understandable. You are an invader yourself.
f stop 25 | 2,513
4 Mar 2010 #454
Immigrants are not gonna go away and those countries need to find more creative solutions to ease up the situation between the host country citizens and the immigrants.

I agree.
One thing that sticks in my memory, Dariusz, is one time I asked you if you can find anything positive about Muslim population in Norway, and you answered categorically no.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Mar 2010 #455
I agree.

Of course immigrants can be repatriatred in large numbers. Deportations take place on a daily basis.
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,444
4 Mar 2010 #456
You are an invader yourself.

invader? You have a funny way of putting it. Wait until I invade Ireland;) with my EU passport:).

Then your pro immigration stance is understandable

and should not be discounted in this discussion. However, your negative stand on immigration is not something which should not be taken into consideration as long as you show a prove that immigrants are indeed are problem in your country. A real problem in a sense that it actually brings the economy, social life down. Mind you one of the largest immigration groups is from Ireland.

One thing that sticks in my memory, Dariusz, is one time I asked you if you can find anything positive about Muslim population in Norway, and you answered categorically no.

I just checked the statistic on immigrants in Norway and it adds up to about less then 10% of the total populations, with the Polish immigration % being the highest.

Of course immigrants can be repatriatred in large numbers. Deportations take place on a daily basis.

So if Dariusz has a case, it is a very weak one indeed.

illegal immigrants should be deported, but Polish workers in Ireland are not immigrants per se.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Mar 2010 #457
invader? You have a funny way of putting it. Wait until I invade Ireland;) with my EU passport:).

It is crass but succinct.

your negative stand on immigration is not something which should not be taken into consideration as long as you show a prove that immigrants are indeed are problem in your country.

I have proved it dozens of times.

Mind you one of the largest immigration groups is from Ireland.

It is a reciprocal agreement. The British are one of our largest ethnic minorities. Per capita, there are more Brits in Ireland, than Irish in Britain.

illegal immigrants should be deported, but Polish workers in Ireland are not immigrants per se.

If you are unemployed and cannot support yourself after three months in another EU member state, you are open to deportation. Ergo, 50,000 Poles can be deported.
f stop 25 | 2,513
4 Mar 2010 #458
Of course immigrants can be repatriatred in large numbers. Deportations take place on a daily basis.

I just keep reminding myself that if I want the right to live and work in a different country, I have to allow this right for others as well.
Barney 14 | 1,469
4 Mar 2010 #459
There is a hole in the Pension argument, immigration would have to increase several fold to plug the gap. Overall migration is not a drain on the host country.

Blaming the problems on the tree hugging multikult left enrichers is ignorance at its highest, it was the right wing governments (1950s+60s) which started the whole thing and Left wing Governments(mid to late1970s) that recognised the problems and tried to curtail the migration. The second wave is a direct result of Right wing economic policy of opening up markets and so on.

The social freedoms that Europeans have were hard won and its illogical to curtail our way of life in order to save it.

In most of Western Europe Political/religious forces are anathema to most people, even religious folk, save for a few individual areas (Abortion being the most obvious), however, that is what many Muslims have done. We have insular Muslim communities that refuse to integrate.

Immigration is often treated as one thing - as if New Zealand computer experts, American bankers and Polish plumbers fell into the same category as villagers from Pakistani Kashmir. Trouble in immigrant communities and between them and indigenous communities must be understood in terms of alienation and exclusion

as well as in terms of Muslim aggression. The key is recognising the peasant mentality among many poor Muslims. Women don’t work, marry young and have larger families. All this leads to a vicious circle where educational skills are not there to pass on (Exactly the same applies to some indigenous people). Many other Muslims integrate successfully.

Naturally such ghettos lead to tension.

Race hate legislation has forced a change in some, its easier to denigrate people in terms of faith rather than race. This neo con idea that Europe has lost its sense of purpose is easier to understand and promote if you categorise people by faith rather than colour. Muslim immigrants are being treated as the new red peril.

Al-Qaeda is a modern phenomenon projecting a privatised form of organised violence on the world is pure globalisation and also impossible without globalisation, the idea that self immolation can change the world is the same view as 19th century anarchists, not the medieval world. None of their leadership were at Islamic school nor were the 9/11 bombers or the7/7 bombers indeed many were western educated living a secular life.

What you now have is right wingers creating a problem in migration and providing no solution. The reason we cant reverse the situation is economic. Resurrecting massive protectionism will see much more social upheaval than that predicted by the scaremongers.
jarnowa 4 | 499
4 Mar 2010 #460
I just keep reminding myself that if I want the right to live and work in a different country, I have to allow this right for others as well.

i hope you are speaking about migration between EU countries.

there is no reason at all to allow more people from Africa, Asia or Latin-America.
we have more than enough of them.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859
4 Mar 2010 #461
There is a hole in the Pension argument, immigration would have to increase several fold to plug the gap.

Immigrants age and require pensions too......
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
5 Mar 2010 #462
There is a hole in the Pension argument, immigration would have to increase several fold to plug the gap. Overall migration is not a drain on the host country.

There are several types of immigrants. Lets take for instance Somalia’s, they don’t work and they reproduce like rats..tell me how are they helping? There are Africans that are coming in large numbers with HIV and AIDS who might work as cleaners but drain the system because of the drugs they are dependent on and will prolong their lives..thus prolonging the burden on our society and in return they claim tax credits and give nothing..Lets move on to pakis, whilst most think they are law abiding and have very close families, lets break that myth, drug taking amongst them is on the rise, therefore they are incurring costs, couple that with the fact that they breed like rats and the women (in most families that are in insular ghettos) dont go out to work..they add very little but claim vast amouts.

Now lets move on to the A8, A10, A12 (yes they increased in numbers) - well, this is a small island with a limited amoumt of jobs and it all about economics and supply and demand - so it was inevitable that wages would be driven down...you only have to look in a recruitment agency window to see that wages are significantly less than they were 5 years ago...A lot of the guys that are here on their own, claim child credit for kids back home so that counters any tax and NI they pay (most agency are on about 7.50 an hour)...The young and single that are in low paid jobs claim working tax credits...whatever they pay, they get back...obviously not in all cases, but in a lot. Obviously there a minority that are in well paid jobs, but that is only a minorty...its not exactly a massive benefit to to our pension fund....

For me, work permits should have been the way forward, not a free for-all... I dont mean this in a nasty way, Im just being honest.
Barney 14 | 1,469
5 Mar 2010 #463
Immigrants age and require pensions too

Yes, I was referring to the demographic problem in Europe where migrants may plug the gap yet remain able to pay for themselves as well.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
5 Mar 2010 #464
They're not though, thats the issue.

Did you know that some Jamacan can move here and claim pension tax credits (they can come here and claim a pension if they have a dependent here and have it topped up!), yet because my parents paid vast amounts in to their private pension funds they cant claim a penny?
Barney 14 | 1,469
5 Mar 2010 #465
Im just being honest

You are always honest.
I think I did mention peasant mentality, aggression and female underemployment. These are problems associated with all impoverished communities.
With regard to work permits and so on, the horse has bolted. I did say you cannot curtail our freedoms to protect them.

Overall the economic benefit of migration and the policy driving it is positive. Claiming child benefit for dependants abroad is part of the package.

I believe most Somali people in Britain are seeking asylum (One of the best things Britain invented) or have been granted permission to stay.

private pension

You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em.....
Private pension funds are a gamble, why cant they get the money?
Exiled 2 | 425
5 Mar 2010 #466
In Greece albos and pakis have destroyed the economy.
jarnowa 4 | 499
5 Mar 2010 #467
I believe most Somali people in Britain are seeking asylum (One of the best things Britain invented) or have been granted permission to stay.

i believe they are all after our wealth. otherwise they would flight to Kenia or other neighbouring countries.

Britain should send them all back. Europe is for Europeans, not for Africans.
Matowy - | 295
6 Mar 2010 #468
Britain should send them all back. Europe is for Europeans, not for Africans.

Similarly, Africa is for Africans, not for Europeans:

Europeans did eventually leave Africa, after they had raped it of resources and labour, that is.
jarnowa 4 | 499
6 Mar 2010 #469
Europeans did eventually leave Africa, after they had raped it of resources and labour, that is.

enough lazy africans doing nothing all day, so there's plenty of labour left.

and what do you mean by 'raping resources'???
Europeans just exploited the gold, oil, etc. because Africans couldn't get bothered or were just too stupid to do it themselves.

we helped them and paid billions of aid to Africa, so we Europeans have no debt whatsoever to African people.
FredChopin - | 61
6 Mar 2010 #470
Poles move to work and then one day return to Poland

I know of so many poles that go back to poland and find it hard to adjust back into society. Whether it is because they are "used to" their most recent surroundings or they can't tolerate the way things have changed since the time they left. It can be quite an adjustment.

The difference I see in Poles abroad, is they try to fit into their new surroundings. They don't try to change their surroundings to suit them. And, no I don't consider building churches, skleps and other "cultural support" as an attempt to change society, like so many other types of immigrants do.

Europeans just exploited the gold, oil, etc. because Africans couldn't get bothered or were just too stupid to do it themselves

I don't think we have seen the last of the resources in Africa. There is probably a lot more yet to be discovered.
jarnowa 4 | 499
6 Mar 2010 #471
I don't think we have seen the last of the resources in Africa. There is probably a lot more yet to be discovered.

yes, i agree.

and even countries with few resources could be much richer if they only were smarter and less lazy. for example, they could attract far more tourist if they got off their lazy a##es to build better roads, fight crime etc.
FredChopin - | 61
6 Mar 2010 #472
they could attract far more tourist if they got off their lazy a##es to build better roads, fight crime etc

Eliminate corruption and educate the people, and 90% of the problems would be solved. This may be an impossibility I am afraid. They would probably be able to feed themselves, and generate a great deal of wealth. It won't happen with continued Aid as we know it.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
7 Mar 2010 #473
The world is but one country ... ALL ARE WELCOME... COME COME my friends....Those who come in good spirits.
Exiled 2 | 425
7 Mar 2010 #474
ALL ARE WELCOME... COME COME my friends....Those who come in good spirits.

I will come Lodz.I always come in good spirit.This time polish village and Gdynia waits for me.
rokosh
29 Nov 2010 #475
Merged thread:
Mass immigration to Poland

Sooner or later Poland will face this problem - massive immigration like in Western Europe. There are many reasons for this - development of the economy, ageing population, rising ambitions of Poles etc. Should Poland open its borders for non-european immigration? I think the only good solution in this matter is importing workers from our eastern neighbour countries - Ukraine and Belarus
gumishu 11 | 5,017
29 Nov 2010 #476
I think getting some Chinese won't be that bad - but not enough of them that they could form some Triad here :P
PennBoy 76 | 2,437
29 Nov 2010 #477
getting some Chinese won't be that bad

It will be a disaster
jon357 63 | 14,254
15 Jan 2018 #478
Merged:

The Catholic Church welcomes immigrants to Poland



A very nice quote from Cardinal Kazimierz Nycz, the Archbishop of Warsaw:

"A meeting with a refugee is for every Christian an opportunity to meet with Christ...It is our task to accept refugees...How many times we [Poles] were those who migrated...in search of an easier and better life, during wars and in the post-war period?"

He also said "it is our task and the task of the Church to accept refugees, protect them against all kind of threats, promote them in an environment in which they have found themselves while seeking a better life or escaping the threat of death or persecution, and participate in the process of the integration of these people."

Religious services to mark World Day of Migrants and Refugees were celebrated in all major Polish cities on Sunday. They featured a special prayer for refugees and exiles.

thenews/1/9/Artykul/344371,Senior-Polish-churchman-likens-refugees-to-Jesus-Christ
Bieganski 17 | 901
15 Jan 2018 #479
Obviously an important topic for non-Polish, non-white, non-Christian, British born SJW carpetbaggers like the OP.

And who knew that the RCC was responsible for influencing and determining immigration policy in Poland?

Do you think Poland should take in the tens of thousands of African refugees being expelled from the Jewish State of Israel?

The Untold Story Of Racism Against Israel's African Refugees

This anti-refugee sentiment trickles from the top down. Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials regularly refer to the African asylum seekers as "infiltrators" whose presence threatens Zionism and the Jewish state.

forward/scribe/392033/the-untold-story-of-racism-against-israels-african-refugees/

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