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Lustration in Poland: Should Polish ex- SB officers get big rents?


goofy_the_dog    
10 Jan 2013  #1
What are your views on it?
Should ex- SB officers get big rents or not?
Should we still care for what happened n 1981/1970?
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
10 Jan 2013  #2
Confiscate their property and send them to Russia.
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
10 Jan 2013  #3
How would you do if they are Polish citizens?
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
10 Jan 2013  #4
Strip them of the Polish citizenship. The do not deserve that anyway. Give them PRL's passports:)
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
10 Jan 2013  #5
Strip them of the Polish citizenship. The do not deserve that anyway.

That would be dangerous precedent.Who should decide who's worthy of the citizenship.I wouldn't give that kind of power to anyone.
OP goofy_the_dog    
10 Jan 2013  #6
ok... I agree with most of the people, what about the money and titles such a general or a seargant?
gumishu 11 | 4,851    
10 Jan 2013  #7
your posts have nothing to do with lustration people
OP goofy_the_dog    
10 Jan 2013  #8
hmm.. since you are prewssing me, I will tell you that I wanted to show that people like Gen. Jaruzelski should be brought to justice... :) That is why I asked these questions
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
10 Jan 2013  #9
That would be dangerous precedent.

It is nothing new.

Who should decide who's worthy of the citizenship.

Their deeds!

.I wouldn't give that kind of power to anyone.

Yet you are not protesting against arbitrary decision to make six years old go to school or taxes.Such power is exercised everyday by the government.

I think that is necessary step to remove all that Soviets from Poland.

what about the money and titles such a general or a seargant?

What money?
They can keep their titles provided those will be preceded by comrade.
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
10 Jan 2013  #10
It is nothing new.

Not in RP

Their deeds!

What a poetic answer.And totally useless.

Yet you are not protesting against arbitrary decision to make six years old go to school or taxes.

No I didn't.I don't think the 6 yo in school are such a bad idea(given the schools are prepared) and parenst had choice and as to the taxes-I'm not an economist and cannot judge the decision.And btw-what this has to do with denying ppl their citizenship.
p3undone 8 | 1,150    
10 Jan 2013  #11
Lenka,who's the most most notable person affected by lustration?
f stop 25 | 2,521    
10 Jan 2013  #12
Jaruzelski?
p3undone 8 | 1,150    
10 Jan 2013  #13
What's the worse that's happened to Jaruzelski?Give back a medal?Will he ever see a courtroom?
4 eigner 2 | 848    
10 Jan 2013  #14
What's the worse that's happened to Jaruzelski?

his eyesight has worsened dramatically
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
10 Jan 2013  #15
Not in RP

What RP it is only PRL in disguise.

What a poetic answer.And totally useless.

Justice is never useless.

And btw-what this has to do with denying ppl their citizenship.

They do not deserve citizenship. It is not an anointed right it is a privilege not to be abuse. If someone is a traitor and consequently are working against community and the interest of the country. His privileges can and should be revoked.
OP goofy_the_dog    
10 Jan 2013  #16
Back in the good old times of Pilsudzki, people that would be known to betray the nation, and get financial income from it would be hanged for treason... today we give them big houses, huge pension wages... What is wrong with this country?
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
10 Jan 2013  #17
who's the most most notable person affected by lustration?

I never really thought about that.I'm not to vindictive.

What RP it is only PRL in disguise.

Not that one again.I heard it many times and it never sounded sensible to me.

Justice is never useless.

I asked you who should decide who's worthy of citizenship and you response "their deeds".If that's not useless I don't know what is.

They do not deserve citizenship.

Again-who should decide.
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
10 Jan 2013  #18
Again-

You are starting to bore tits out of me. You don't understand because you don't want to understand.
It doesn't matter WHO! Do you want names? Special comity who will revise all cases As long as the rules are clear there is no danger of mistake.

I think it is obvious who shoudl be banished!

Not that one again.I heard it many times and it never sounded sensible to me.

You don't sound sensible to me but possibly there is rationale behind your standing.

.I'm not to vindictive.

Well if for you justice equal vindictiveness than I think our conversations is redundant.
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
10 Jan 2013  #19
It doesn't matter WHO!

Yes,it matters very much.

Do you want names?

Maybe not names but institutions

I think it is obvious who shoudl be banished!

There's nothing obvious when you talk about things as serious as that.

Well if for you justice equal vindictiveness than I think our conversations is redundant.

There was kind of social contract in 1989.Let's stick to that.
f stop 25 | 2,521    
10 Jan 2013  #20
What's the worse that's happened to Jaruzelski?Give back a medal?Will he ever see a courtroom?

I think he claimed health problems, otherwise he was supposed to stand trial. That was an official version.

Anyway, I have pretty close ties to Cuba, and I watch with some trepidation how furious and bloodthirsty American Cubans still are. They do not want, under any circumstances, to have a peacefull transition of power.

They want blood to flow in the streets.
rybnik 18 | 1,466    
10 Jan 2013  #21
What's the worse that's happened to Jaruzelski

he's dying of cancer

Should we still care for what happened n 1981/1970?

yes we should care
I've always maintained that Poland would do very well by following in South Africa's footsteps
by creating its own "truth and reconciliation commission"
air out all the dirty laundry; remove all the skeletons from all the closets.
and then forgive and get on with modern life
Poland and Poles need to exorcise these demons now and be done with it for good.
(one long, big purge would be good for the country's soul)
antheads 11 | 279    
11 Jan 2013  #22
Its too late, The układ control the energy industry in poland and own one of the biggest media conglomerates ( Grupa ITI)
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
11 Jan 2013  #23
There was kind of social contract in 1989.Let's stick to that.

Obviously it doesn't work and anyway they cheated!
OP goofy_the_dog    
11 Jan 2013  #24
1989 Lenka was a year when the last spark of hope, of some kind of an independence was destroyed by the uklad... the same people that we have now....

Here is a documentary that I strongly advise you to watch, it is about an hour long, but it will open your eyes a bit on all the lies out there:

youtube.com/watch?v=Bnx9zQHnoBA

It is about the night-switch

Cheers!
pawian 126 | 6,546    
11 Jan 2013  #25
(one long, big purge would be good for the country's soul)

No, Rybnik. I highly prize your honesty but beware of naivety. With current political situation in Poland what you propose is impossible. Maniacs will accuse innocent people and the witch hunt will erupt.

We went through it a few years ago.

Do you really want that again?
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
11 Jan 2013  #26
Maniacs will accuse innocent people and the witch hunt will erupt.

I agree.
gumishu 11 | 4,851    
11 Jan 2013  #27
Maniacs will accuse innocent people and the witch hunt will erupt.

lustration does not punish anybody - it only shows who was a secret agent
Lenka 2 | 1,067    
11 Jan 2013  #28
Ruining someone's good name is also a punishment.I don't want to say that I'm against it but not in current political atmosphere.
pawian 126 | 6,546    
11 Jan 2013  #29
lustration does not punish anybody - it only shows who was a secret agent

Don`t be silly. They already showed it a few times and many innocent people suffered. They even tried to bring down their own kin:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wies%C5%82aw_Chrzanowski_%28polityk%29
gumishu 11 | 4,851    
11 Jan 2013  #30
Ruining someone's good name

nobody was forced to become a secret agent/collaborator

innocent people suffered

show me one of those innocents from IPN files




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