Lustration in Poland: Should Polish ex- SB officers get big rents?

What are your views on it?
Should ex- SB officers get big rents or not?
Should we still care for what happened n 1981/1970?

Confiscate their property and send them to Russia.

How would you do if they are Polish citizens?

Strip them of the Polish citizenship. The do not deserve that anyway. Give them PRL's passports:)

That would be dangerous precedent.Who should decide who's worthy of the citizenship.I wouldn't give that kind of power to anyone.

ok... I agree with most of the people, what about the money and titles such a general or a seargant?

your posts have nothing to do with lustration people

hmm.. since you are prewssing me, I will tell you that I wanted to show that people like Gen. Jaruzelski should be brought to justice... :) That is why I asked these questions

It is nothing new.


Their deeds!


Yet you are not protesting against arbitrary decision to make six years old go to school or taxes.Such power is exercised everyday by the government.

I think that is necessary step to remove all that Soviets from Poland.


What money?
They can keep their titles provided those will be preceded by comrade.

Not in RP


What a poetic answer.And totally useless.


No I didn't.I don't think the 6 yo in school are such a bad idea(given the schools are prepared) and parenst had choice and as to the taxes-I'm not an economist and cannot judge the decision.And btw-what this has to do with denying ppl their citizenship.

Lenka,who's the most most notable person affected by lustration?

Jaruzelski?

What's the worse that's happened to Jaruzelski?Give back a medal?Will he ever see a courtroom?

his eyesight has worsened dramatically

What RP it is only PRL in disguise.


Justice is never useless.


They do not deserve citizenship. It is not an anointed right it is a privilege not to be abuse. If someone is a traitor and consequently are working against community and the interest of the country. His privileges can and should be revoked.

Back in the good old times of Pilsudzki, people that would be known to betray the nation, and get financial income from it would be hanged for treason... today we give them big houses, huge pension wages... What is wrong with this country?

I never really thought about that.I'm not to vindictive.


Not that one again.I heard it many times and it never sounded sensible to me.


I asked you who should decide who's worthy of citizenship and you response "their deeds".If that's not useless I don't know what is.


Again-who should decide.

You are starting to bore tits out of me. You don't understand because you don't want to understand.
It doesn't matter WHO! Do you want names? Special comity who will revise all cases As long as the rules are clear there is no danger of mistake.

I think it is obvious who shoudl be banished!


You don't sound sensible to me but possibly there is rationale behind your standing.


Well if for you justice equal vindictiveness than I think our conversations is redundant.

Yes,it matters very much.


Maybe not names but institutions


There's nothing obvious when you talk about things as serious as that.


There was kind of social contract in 1989.Let's stick to that.

I think he claimed health problems, otherwise he was supposed to stand trial. That was an official version.

Anyway, I have pretty close ties to Cuba, and I watch with some trepidation how furious and bloodthirsty American Cubans still are. They do not want, under any circumstances, to have a peacefull transition of power.

They want blood to flow in the streets.

he's dying of cancer


yes we should care
I've always maintained that Poland would do very well by following in South Africa's footsteps
by creating its own "truth and reconciliation commission"
air out all the dirty laundry; remove all the skeletons from all the closets.
and then forgive and get on with modern life
Poland and Poles need to exorcise these demons now and be done with it for good.
(one long, big purge would be good for the country's soul)

Its too late, The układ control the energy industry in poland and own one of the biggest media conglomerates ( Grupa ITI)

Obviously it doesn't work and anyway they cheated!

1989 Lenka was a year when the last spark of hope, of some kind of an independence was destroyed by the uklad... the same people that we have now....

Here is a documentary that I strongly advise you to watch, it is about an hour long, but it will open your eyes a bit on all the lies out there:

youtube.com/watch?v=Bnx9zQHnoBA

It is about the night-switch

Cheers!

No, Rybnik. I highly prize your honesty but beware of naivety. With current political situation in Poland what you propose is impossible. Maniacs will accuse innocent people and the witch hunt will erupt.

We went through it a few years ago.

Do you really want that again?

I agree.

lustration does not punish anybody - it only shows who was a secret agent

Ruining someone's good name is also a punishment.I don't want to say that I'm against it but not in current political atmosphere.

Don`t be silly. They already showed it a few times and many innocent people suffered. They even tried to bring down their own kin:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wies%C5%82aw_Chrzanowski_%28polityk%29

nobody was forced to become a secret agent/collaborator


show me one of those innocents from IPN files