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Poland loses bid to built Jaguars and Land Rovers


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
11 Aug 2015 #1
wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100896,18533313,ft-jaguar-wybral-slowacje-polska-przegrala.html

GW is reprorting that the Polish government has yet again lost a bid to build motor vehicles in this country. In spite of tax incentives, the British producers of Jaguar and Land Rovers chose Slovakia as the site of their investment project. The factory is to be located in the town of Nitra.

Anyone know whether Slovakian manpower is cheaper?
not_polish
11 Aug 2015 #2
Slovakian man power is much more expensive. They have the Euro.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
11 Aug 2015 #3
From what I know, it's also a matter of logistics - Slovakia has a bigger car industry than Poland, so the supply chain is shorter. It may also be good old fashioned incentives whereby the Slovak government will have promised considerable concessions to them. As a man who thinks that foreign companies should pay their fair share, you should be supportive of the fact that the government hasn't bribed them.

In terms of wages, it's about the same.

But they are Indians, aren't they, not British?
Polsyr 6 | 769
11 Aug 2015 #4
But they are Indians, aren't they, not British?

Correct, unless Mr. Jamshedji Tata was British, which was not the case as far as I know.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
11 Aug 2015 #5
Ford or Tata, it's a crying shame that Jaguar is no longer British.
bullfrog 6 | 603
11 Aug 2015 #6
Slovakian man power is much more expensive. They have the Euro

Quite the opposite in this case. Since they are selling their cars in the Eurozone, choosing a country where costs are also in euros minimizes exposure to FX risk
Polsyr 6 | 769
11 Aug 2015 #7
they are selling their cars in the Eurozone

I believe their largest market is the US, followed by the GCC then UK then the rest of Europe. It used to be that way, but I am not sure how it looks now.
tictactoe
11 Aug 2015 #8
It should be built in the UK not Slovakia or Poland. It is/was a British car, owned and built by the British. Now, its owned by an Indian company and will be built in Slovakia ! yeah let's buy that British Freelander, not.
Marsupial - | 886
11 Aug 2015 #9
Not to mention obsolete technology powered by obsolete fuel.
jon357 63 | 15,212
11 Aug 2015 #10
Not obsolete, unless suddenly most vehicles have adopted some sort of other technology and fuel.

Jaguar and Landrover still sell well, but are in an increasingly niche market compared to Asian marques.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
11 Aug 2015 #11
Jaguar and Landrover still sell well, but are in an increasingly niche market compared to Asian marques.

When you see what the Asian (non-Indian) companies can offer (especially Kia), you really have to wonder who would buy an Indian car built in Slovakia...

It should be built in the UK not Slovakia or Poland. It is/was a British car, owned and built by the British. Now, its owned by an Indian company and will be built in Slovakia ! yeah let's buy that British Freelander, not.

I think "British" and can't help but think of British Leyland and other hysterically bad companies.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
12 Aug 2015 #12
I think "British" and can't help but think of British Leyland and other hysterically bad companies.

I tend to think of Rolls Royce, Morgan, Lotus, Jaguar, McLaren, Bentley, Aston Martin...
jon357 63 | 15,212
12 Aug 2015 #13
And Bristol too, amazing cars. A bit like the Macbook of vehicles; lasts for years and they keep upgrading yours.
tictactoe
12 Aug 2015 #14
Very true Roger !! After all us Brits built the modern world. Two industrial revolutions, the first commercial railway in the world, the humble friction match, why the list is endless.
bullfrog 6 | 603
12 Aug 2015 #15
After all us Brits built the modern world

A little conceited aren't we?
tictactoe
12 Aug 2015 #16
I know its hard, but it is true. Even the apple pie which Americans love to believe is some kind of American dish, is actually English.
bullfrog 6 | 603
12 Aug 2015 #17
I know its hard, but it is true

Only partially. Britain was indeed at the vanguard of the industrial revolution, but other nations like the US (invention of light bulb by Edison) , France (internal combustion engine, photography, parachute,bicycle ), Italy (battery) played a major role.. Even the phrase 'industrial revolution' was coined not by an Englishman but by a Frenchman.. It is true that, unlike the Frogs, the Brits are more doers than thinkers, with the former also more knowledgeable about "revolutions" than the latter :)
tictactoe
12 Aug 2015 #18
Oh I don't deny other countries had a part in it, even now, the current digital revolution is American.

So yes others had a good part but Britain did industrialise the world by taking what would have once been made at home into mass production in factories.

The British revolutions created capitalism and the modern world.
jon357 63 | 15,212
12 Aug 2015 #19
Yes, tictatctoe, it's American,though we shouldn't overlook the British role in it.

With cars, closer to the topic, it was received wisdom a few years ago among economists that it's better to build them for other people than own the companies. It's just that (Jaguar, LandRover, Rover, Bentley) the people don't like that. Same in Poland, where they build for others. Hungary too.

It's a question of where it's better to make the money, commissioning, supplying or producing. A lot of product manufacture is outsourced to Poland anyway and there are cars made already. Jaguar/LandRover needed to be in the eurozone.

The main Rolls Royce company (engineering, not cars) is still British and although the share price fell brutally a little while ago, it's starting to rise again and is considered a good buy at the moment.

P.s. This isn't a share tip, the value of your investment can fall as well as rise blah blah blah
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
12 Aug 2015 #20
I tend to think of Rolls Royce, Morgan, Lotus, Jaguar, McLaren, Bentley, Aston Martin...

I still dream of a McLaren F1 in my driveway...

As for Poland, I don't think this is really much of a loss. Had they been considering a site in somewhere like Radom, then yes, it would be.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
12 Aug 2015 #21
I recently made a dream come true when I bought a Jaguar X-Type. Purists might not consider it the real thing, but she's a beaut. The only thing I have ever agreed with Jeremy Clarkson about.
bullfrog 6 | 603
12 Aug 2015 #22
The E-type was the real stuff. Alas, no longer made!
Roger5 1 | 1,458
12 Aug 2015 #23
True, but I saw a YT video about the 6 lightweight E-Type models made for people with 1.5GBP to spend this year.
youtube.com/watch?v=Gw6gAOpiXnQ


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