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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


Lyzko 17 | 4,796    
5 Sep 2018  #391
Yes, they do in fact, Maf, surprise!

Most important of all, they feel themselves as Swedes and justifiably feel discriminated by others, despite the fact that the former have thoroughly integrated into the society of their host country.

Sure, many undoubtedly eat Halal, observe Ramadan and refuse to drink in public alongside Swedish nationals, while others sing Swedish folk songs, hoist a few frosties with their mates after work, and gorge themselves on Jansson's Frastelse.......

point is, to what extent does Sweden, for that matter any homogeneous society, eventually accept as fellow citizens those whose outward appearance is markedly different from their own?
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
5 Sep 2018  #392
Sure, many undoubtedly eat Halal, observe Ramadan and refuse to drink in public alongside Swedish nationals.

So... they're not integrated if they can't socialize with the majority under any but their own terms.

to what extent does Sweden, for that matter any homogeneous society, eventually accept as fellow citizens

Somebody should have thought about that before opening the barn door....

The thing is, Sweden thought that a multicultural Sweden would be exactly like monocultural Sweden but with greater skin tone variety. Instead they have real diversity which means diversity of world view so they have a sizeable minority that believes that

- men and women are not equal,
- casual social interactions between men and women are a sin
- womens' hair is a sexual organ
- government and religion should be intertwined
- the religious beliefs of the rest as not only wrong but actually evil

What basis can there be in common law between traditional Swedish culture and that list?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
5 Sep 2018  #393
complain that fellow "ethnic" Swedes still don't regard them as Swedish!!

Because they're not and never will be. They are Somalis ethnically, at most they could be paper swedes if they have citizenship.

Read an article about the significant advances of the far right in Sweden

The far right, anti migrant, populists, etc are making significant advances all over Europe. Like I said before, merkel burden (again her words as she said other countries have to share the burden, so clearly she feels the migrants are a burden and not the cultural enrichers, doctors and engineers she called them earlier) was the best thing to happen for the far right.

And now even Steve bannon and a new group called the movement is going to help organize and unify all the right wing, anti migrant, populist groups from afd to pegida to nop to sweden democrats.

It's a shame though that the rise of the right was at the expense of all the terror, rape, economic burden, etc. There's only so much even the most moderate European will take. Even liberals who were supportive of merkels policies in 2014 2015 now are very much against what she's done. It's only natural when you see your fellow countrymen being raped, killed or when you send your kids to school and only 2 kids out of 25 speak the native language. It was far too many third world people in far too short of time. And now the right wing is going to take Europe back and put native Europeans first and foremost and reinstate national sovereignty and limit the eus power. It happened first in v4 nations, then spread to Austria and Italy. Even afd has gone from obscurity to the 2nd most popular party within basically 2 years. And now with eu elections coming up I guaruntee you'll see way more right wing anti migrant meps in the ep. The open borders of Europe, the raping and pillaging of European countries and people by third world economic migrants shall soon come to an end. Europeans have to act or else they'll become like british Londoners or frechmen in marseilles wbo are minorities in their own capitals and large cities. Europeans are more aware than ever what has happened as in many cases the migrant crisis affects them directly and they're sick of it. They don't want to feel like foreigners in their own lands - just like that mother explained in her Facebook video and that resonates more and more with Europeans.

This may even lead to the creation of an immigration policy like Australia has, which imo is the best policy in the western world, second only to the countries like Saudi Arabia, Japan, China, etc that basically don't allow any foreigner to get citizenship without a million hoops that proves they'll be an asset to the society.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,530    
5 Sep 2018  #394
I hope you're joking....

You still haven't accepted this fact. For our border authorities everybody who reaches our border and who claims asylum has to be seen as someone in need who has to be taken in and given the chance to prove his claim. No matter his color, his religion or culture...In the meantime till his case is decided the german taxpayer has to feed and cloth him and even provide him with education and similiar stuff.

Then the Ausländerbehörde rules either against him or approves his status...that's how this mess works right now.

Or better said..doesn't work right now....
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
5 Sep 2018  #395
This may even lead to the creation of an immigration policy like Australia

Unless that policy includes deportations of "refugees" it's pointless as the scum multiplies at a much higher rate than the natives. A human cancer the host asked for. Now it's too late.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
5 Sep 2018  #396
Yes, they do in fact, Maf, surprise!

Bullsh1t they do. Grenade attacks were basically non existent till Somalis flooded in.

Not to mention the terrorist attacks by Somalis
reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17E1VX

This is how Somalis welcome a 60 mins crew
youtu.be/rjZuZQwAWwg

Somalis asking for more free stuff, big surprise....
youtu.be/2IDBxPLp3i0

More ninjas and light bulb heads making more demands of swedes, crowding around the welfare office what a surprise... not...
youtu.be/SxWk5XjKgQM

Do any of these turds work? It doesn't appear so....

If only Somalis were like letters that you can just easily return to sender...

Oh well rip sweden, hail swedistan
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
5 Sep 2018  #397
Refugees are expected to eventually return home. The problem is that the Eurotards don't have the balls to say "go home" to the Somali garbage because the Somali garbage is very brown. This make the Somali garbage special and untouchable.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
5 Sep 2018  #398
enough European citizens

Er...we don't have enough European citizens. Demographics - and if you think that pathological families in Bytom having 5 kids instead of 3 because of some social engineering is going to be the answer, then you're barmy. If we all want an more affluent lifestyle, that requires immigration. Do you dispute that?

the scum

Yeah - there's an infamous street here that I sometimes have to traverse. All are sadly what the working man would refer to as scum. All Polish too, funnily enough.......

- government and religion should be intertwined

Like PIS? so catholics are not so very different from muslims after all then are they?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
5 Sep 2018  #399
Er...we don't have enough European citizens.

Oh yes we do. And if we did need to import labor we could look to countries like Ukraine, Belarus, etc. You know, countries who's people don't cause regular terror attacks, mass rapes, create no gos and actually work and contribute instead of loitering about all day when they're not in their rape prevention classes. That's not what's happening in Germany - g ermans are working for the third worlders not the other way around as intended and like Merkel said. If that were the case Merkel wouldn't be asking to redistribute these people to other countries and would jealously guard them. But again in her words, they are a burden that other countries must share in. Clearly not an asset to the society and certainly not an enrichment.

The whole we need more people, more labor is sometimes true but more often than not it's an excuse to import third worlders who will later become voters for the left. Same old story all over the western world.

If we all want an more affluent lifestyle, that requires immigration. Do you dispute that

Yes and no. Wealthy nations need an underclass to work as nanny, factory workers, laborers, builders, etc. That is what the US has with Mexicans, what UK has with poles Romanians and other east europeans, and what Poland now has with ukranians. The difference between those countries and say germany or sweden is that the third worlders they imported don't work and instead draw tons of benefits. UK didn't spend 25 billion to house and feed poles. Poland doesn't need to house and feed ukranians. Why? Because they actually work and don't d1ck around all day. Not to mention all the problems with terror and rape they cause
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
5 Sep 2018  #400
we did need to import labor we could look to countries like Ukraine, Belarus, etc

I'm talking about Europe as a whole, not Poland. A lot of these people speak better languages than people from the Ukraine can, and are better qualified to do a job. But don't let your racial rants get in the way of the facts eh? Which are, as any government human geography research will state, that the European population is several tens of millions below where it should be for economic growth.

Not my opinion. Research findings. Of course, Migration Watch would take other criteria as more pertinent, but a demographic time bomb there most certainly is. not my problem, not yours. For future generations - deffo. If you want to say - stuff future generations, then that's one way to go.

germany or sweden is that the third worlders they imported don't work and instead draw tons of benefits

Dirk, you are being obtuse. Immigrants can only get work permits when their papers have been processed and they are accepted as refugees/whatever you want to call it...

Until then - in any country you care to name, they do not have the right to gain employment. Working is forbidden. In fact, they would be breaking the terms of their temporary asylum if they did so. But then, you do know all that.
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
5 Sep 2018  #401
a demographic time bomb there most certainly is.

this is why I dont' trust global warming alarmism, I remember beginning the late 1960s and through to the early 1980s (maybe later even) there were books and tv shows and documentaries on the dangers of over-population, now it seems they were all wrong and every country on earth no matter how crowded needs to produce more and more people to keep the neoliberal ponzi scheme going.

Not buying it. The new challenge (in societies that are fast approaching de facto 'post scarcity' status) is how to make an economy work with a declining population and not treating people as interchangeable widgets.

The problem with importing a bunch of culturally alien people to support a generation of senior citizens is.... why would they want to support people so different from them?
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
5 Sep 2018  #402
Yeah - there's an infamous street here that I sometimes have to traverse. All are sadly what the working man would refer to as scum. All Polish too, funnily enough.......[/quote]
Visit Somalia and then Poland and you will instantly know what "scum" means and who is and who is not scum.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,891    
5 Sep 2018  #403
over-population

Yep. Where you paying attention at school Maf? Not meaning to be rude, but even a child knows that Indo-China and south America are over populated. Europe palpably is not. Quite the reverse, for the resources that it has.
Lyzko 17 | 4,796    
5 Sep 2018  #404
Maf & Co.

Once upon a time, America defined herself as a country of W.A.S.P. citizenry, unable or unwilling to accept "others" into her fold, long, long before Emma Lazarus penned "The Colossus" with its moving, ideal words! Senator Henry Cabot Lodge in the 19th century too was clearly against allowing anyone but those of Northern European heritage to come to America and settle.

Well, some two-hundred and fifty years and counting, the US is a multi-national society, struggling, yet somehow succeeding, in attempting to achieve a lofty goal, supposedly making her different from Europe with her stodginess of traditional sameness, lovely to look at like a museum, yet somehow out of touch with the shifting realities of global change.
Tacitus 1 | 543    
5 Sep 2018  #405
Tacitus, can't you talk sense to them?

I am not exactly in a better position to talk to them then you are. The argument itself is not wrong, those countries are indeed not safe for LBGT, but since few refugees actually claim to be LBGT, it would be better show more flexibility on this point. Though I suspect that this will have little influence in reality, since the countries in question are usually stalling the deportations.

@Dirk

Omg burglaries how scary.

Burglaries are the crimes that damage your own sense of security the most. You don't feel safe in your own home anymore. And those happen many more times than any other crimes.

These are animals, scum, parasites and a burden on European society.

Dirk, you should take a step back and consider what you are writing here. Your phrases could be taken word for word out of any Goebbels' speech about jews. We are talking about perhaps 1.000.000 people. If we are really stretching it, 10.000. are criminals. You are effectively calling 990.000 scum for no reason.
Miloslaw 6 | 387    
5 Sep 2018  #406
Dirk,I actually agree with your post.
johnny reb 15 | 3,052    
5 Sep 2018  #407
If we all want an more affluent lifestyle, that requires immigration.

Is "affluent lifestyle" the same as "cultural enrichment" ?

but a demographic time bomb there most certainly is.

Read the book, 'Diversity Illusion' to get your head screwed on straight.
Much different then the ideology being taught in our school today by the Commie Progressives.
I am here to tell you, the last country that is dumbed down by this b.s. will be the last country standing.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,530    
5 Sep 2018  #408
That will probably be North Korea....
johnny reb 15 | 3,052    
5 Sep 2018  #409
I was thinking more like Poland......
Keep Poland Polish !
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 8,530    
5 Sep 2018  #410
Ach so...;)
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
5 Sep 2018  #411
yet somehow out of touch with the shifting realities of global change.

That phrase "global change" is used by the globalists to make it look and feel like weather; something powerful and beyond our control. Well, the irony of the liberal moron thought process is that weather can be controlled. All the globe needs is a bunch of trillions from "America".

Garbage migrants invading white countries, on the other hand, are absolutely and positively unstoppable. No way, no how. Besides, we desperately need them because we don't like the mess of producing white babies. See, our white wives want careers and some have to go to work to supplement the insufficient family income brought upon by the oversupply of migrants. That is what these morons want us to buy.

Did I get it right?
Lyzko 17 | 4,796    
6 Sep 2018  #412
As long as the Germans, the Swedish, or the Dutch feel that they are too good for D.D.D (Dirty, Dangerous, Difficult) jobs, you will see more and more non-white Third Worlders "invading" Northern European economies.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
6 Sep 2018  #413
...and that is why they import Somalis who are 50% unemployed and on welfare? And what, specifically, are those DDD jobs Somalis so bravely and expertly perform?
Lyzko 17 | 4,796    
6 Sep 2018  #414
...burger flipping, street cleaning, working the farms by clearing manure etc..

Even as far back as my first time in Gothenburg, Sweden, I NEVER had a "Swedish" waiter, busboy, or saw a native Swedish national food cart vendor (selling Swedish meatballs, no less!!!), few as they were in the '80's. Except for the ethnically Swedish-born, multilingual reception staff at my hotel, all non-managerial, ownership work was done by Third Worlders...a great number of whom didn't even really speak Swedish at that time.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
6 Sep 2018  #415
A lot of these people speak better languages than people from the Ukraine can, and are better qualified to do a job

Really? Is that why there's crowds of Somalis in front of the Swedish welfare office? Is that why politicians and eu citizens regularly complain of problems with integration? Is that why there's huge groups of middle easterners wandering about all day while the rest of able bodied eu citizens are at work? You don't see tens of billions going to integrate poles, ukranians, Romanians etc. Same cannot be said of Muslim and african migrants. And that's the fact.

Your phrases could be taken word for word out of any Goebbels' speech about jews.

Oh please 70% of prisoners in fre.ch are muslims so obvoously not native frechmen. My views are the same as the majority of poles who reject third world migration . Europe doesn't need these people. Most are a burden on our society. Atleast poles were wise enough to refuse to take them in early in 2015 otherwise we'd have the same issues with terror, no gos, rape etc as germany sweden UK etc.

Poland took in over 1 mil migrants same as germany and more than sweden. Yet Poland isn't wracked by terror rape and all that other sh1t. Why? Because we took in European migrants from Ukraine, belarus, Russia etc not Africa and the middle East.

And what, specifically, are those DDD jobs Somalis so bravely and expertly perform?

Nonexistent. It's a bullsh1t old myth that third worlders take these low wage jobs Europeans don't want, save for a few africans picking strawberries in Italy. These aren't like Mexicans in the us working in fast food, land scaping or construction or even poles working in uk factories or blue collar jobs. These migrants don't work. They leech off the welfare system and as long as germany and other countries keep giving them 1500 eu a month, more than they'd ever make in their sh1thole home country they won't work. You cut off all the welfare stop giving tjem food and housing and after a few days of being hungry and sleeping outside they'll get to work real quick, or even better leave altogether
Tacitus 1 | 543    
6 Sep 2018  #416
Indeed, most of the low-wage jobs are done by foreigners in Germany. Our agricalture industry for example depends on migrants from Eastern Europe, particulary Poland. As does our nursing homes for the elderly.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
6 Sep 2018  #417
...burger flipping, street cleaning, working the farms by clearing manure etc..

All of that is done by Somalis?
And how was Sweden able to exist before they discovered the blessings of Muslim migrants and refugees?
How does Japan manage to exist now without the blessings of Muslim migrants and refugees? I have been to Japan twice. No Muslims and everything was taken care of, including burger flipping, and the streets were immaculately clean. I don't know about clearing manure but I think that is done by the Japanese, too.

You do realize that you are yanking my chain with that post-fact justification of the sheer idiocy of allowing foreign unwanted garbage people in? If they were so useful, countries like Sweden would be bidding for them. Nobody does. Now, every country is wondering how to get rid of them. Norway offered to pay them to get the f*** out.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
6 Sep 2018  #418
If they were such a benefit to the country and had such high employment rates, people like Merkel wouldn't want other countries to 'share the burden and wpulsnt try to redistribute them. It's that simple. But since they are overall not an asset to their host country, Merkel wants to reduce their numbers and spread the 'burden (her words) around

Our agricalture industry for example depends on migrants from Eastern Europe, particulary Poland.

Yes, European migrants... Not nuslims or africans. That's because EUROPEANS actually work and contribute and assimilate. Muslims and africans do not or atleast not nearly at the same rate as Europeans
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
6 Sep 2018  #419
I wonder how big a hammer will it take to beat the truth into the libs' heads.
Tacitus 1 | 543    
6 Sep 2018  #420
@ Dirk: The claim about muslims in prisons is just another lie.

google.de/amp/s/www.adamsmith.org/blog/are-70-of-frances-prison-inmates-muslims%3fformat=amp

It is getting tiresome to respond to your posts, because you are using so many lies and deliberate misinterpretation which thoroughly discredit the points you are making. How can you still trust your media sources when they feed you so many misinformations?

How can you claim that Germany is wrecked by terror and rape, when heavy crime is in fact decreasing from an overall very low number per citizen? Again step back and reflect on what you are actually writing.

@Dirk diggler

Muslim migrants who have been staying longer in our country are working in all parts of our society. Coincidently the group of migrants who are most likely to live from social benefits are Eastern Europeans, especially Romanians.

The refugees are usually not long enough in Germany to work. However there have been some very promising projects where refugees are trained to work in nursing homes. Indeed our government will hopefully offer further incentives for them to get an apprenticeship there.




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