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Poland and Kresy being reunited?


JozefPolska - | 8
13 Aug 2010  #121
but Poland has gained in so many ways from the EU

such as?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Aug 2010  #122
EU development grants/extensive funding.

Free movement of people

Free movement of workers, capital and services

Admission to cultural exchange programs like Comenus, Sokrates and Erasmus. Trust me, many Poles could use such things :)

A move closer to Germany which will bring security.

The EU hasn't changed the face of Polish culture. It has just promoted it and made it more accessible to more Europeans.

It has given Poland representation with its trading partners.

It has made inward investment here easier and created prosperity for many.
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010  #123
I believe it is time that we Poles stood up for ourselves and reclaim Poland and Kresy from the traitors

;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Oh, and we shoulg give back also Wrocław to Germans! Clever idea! ;D
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010  #124
No, NATO dragged them into it and they just decided to stay. They can leave at any time.

There was never an obligation to send anything other than good wishes. That's the mighty NATO military alliance.

Nice highways, airports, water treatment plants, checks to farmers, apartment buildings, commercial buildings, sterling being sent back, renovations of historical buildings, educational programs, work... That's what Poland is getting out of the EU.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Aug 2010  #125
Yes but we all know that there was behind-the-scenes pressure and how vociferous/brutal America's stance was on the so-called War on Terror. Look how they treated France with contempt when they weren't so gung-ho about it.

The ultimate choice rested with Poland, you are right, but they were effectively dragged in given the operating climate at that time.
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010  #126
Look how they treated France with contempt when they weren't so gung-ho about it.

We're talking about NATO or? Iraq isn't a NATO action. Afghanistan is, and France contributes quite a bit to ISAF, more than Poland I believe.

The choices that Poland makes are always up to Poland. If it's in Polands interest for whatever reason, than the government will probably go down that route (say, on the job training for its soldiers).
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Aug 2010  #127
France were lukewarm in the beginning and American restauranteurs responded by pouring out French wine and not serving French fries (which are Belgian anyway, lol). They really got stroppy with them and treated them rough.

The Polish government, like the British, has been put under extensive pressure by the people to pull the troops out but they are still there. Obama is the biggest liar. He has Gitmo open and seems to have extended Moshtarak.
Harry
13 Aug 2010  #128
That's what Poland is getting out of the EU.

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010  #129
France were lukewarm in the beginning

There was never any issue with France over the NATO action in Afghanistan. They have been involved since the beginning.

The media, good stuff, and that's exactly what deVillepin wanted to use. Hey look everyone, we're still here, and we're leading something!

It was all pretty rich hearing him talk about regime change at the UN when just a little earlier the US did that little favor in Haiti for France.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
13 Aug 2010  #130
I believe it is time that we Poles stood up for ourselves

From Australia?

Sorry, but reading a neo-nazi forum isn't going to spark off social change!
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Aug 2010  #131
There were news reports of a rift, convex. Anyway, this is about Poland. Poland is revolting, over the cross issue, LOL. Bunch of schoolchildren there.
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010  #132
Poland is revolting, over the cross issue

keeps the simple folk on both sides busy.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
13 Aug 2010  #133
Exactly! Controversy creates jobs but not in a good way.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
13 Aug 2010  #134
such as?

Our delusional friend is yet back on the scene. Revolution! He cries this time. I can just see him standing in front of the palacin in Warsaw and waving his flag on his own. Ppl will just look wary at him and then shake their head in pity. Yet another nutter who thinks the EU is the root of all that's evil.

Just for you I would say that Poland has benefitted more from the EU than the other way around. There's even more bens than the ones Seanus mentioned, you ungrateful freak. So stop complaining and go back to that machine you're operating. Break's over and you overtook it already.

Exit Jozef Polska.

>^..^<

M-G (just what we need on here: one more nutter)
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010  #135
There's even more bens than the ones Seanus mentioned, you ungrateful freak.

JozefPolska IS A TROLL FROM AUSTRALIA! MG please stop be so naive and accuse polish ppl with being ungrateful... the guy is just like Mel Gibson's father... he deosn't know what he's saying.
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
13 Aug 2010  #136
MG please stop be so naive and accuse polish ppl with being ungrateful

I only accuse him, not the entire Polish populace, sweetie :)

>^..^<

M-G (don't forget, tomorrow's hug-a-Pole day!)
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010  #137
there will be no one to hug me :(((
JozefPolska - | 8
13 Aug 2010  #138
Our delusional friend is yet back on the scene.

exactly
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
13 Aug 2010  #139
Woah, you don't see that many trolls like Jozef Polska who know of themselves that they are delusional.

there will be no one to hug me

If you take a quick plane from Gdansk to Dublin, I will give you a hug on Dublin Airport before you take the return flight :)

>^..^<

M-G (less than 10 hrs left before hug-a-Pole day!)
JozefPolska - | 8
13 Aug 2010  #140
Woah, you don't see that many trolls like Jozef Polska who know of themselves that they are delusional.

I am one of kind. You have to a bit delusional to suggest revolution.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2010  #141
What is Kresy? Old Ukrainian territory?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
14 Aug 2010  #142
Can you stop being an idiot? I like you but between "decent Putin" "Taliban being top notch military" and stuff like this its getting painfull.

You know nothing about politics, history and polish politics and history specifically, i dont as of rule respect other peoples views unless they're based on solid knowledge, i try hard to respect yours Sean simply because you're a smart and decent human being and i like you for that but its becoming hard with silly attempts at being provocative or wild shot statements like that.

As for Kresy its the old polish territory thats currently under the administration of Belarus and Ukraine, it encompasses Grodno, Lwów and Wilno (though Wilno is a Lithuanian city and always was despite the polish majority that so greatly contributed to it in the last centuries).
Seanus 15 | 19,706
14 Aug 2010  #143
I've revised my opinion on Putin ;) ;)

Top notch military? I wouldn't have said that. I would have said that they are frail, weirdie-beardies that are elusive.

You can't presume things, Sok. I had a detailed discussion of Polish history tonight and all the women were impressed. As I said, old Ukrainian territory which was formerly Polish. Never underestimate me :)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
14 Aug 2010  #144
It was never an old ukrainian territory, its ukrainian for a whooping 65 years, prior to that it has been polish for over 500 years.

Before that period the place was the part of the Duchy of Ruś Halicka which had no connection with modern Ukraine, the deepest modern Ukraine can trace its roots is to 18 century and Mazepa who first brought the modern concept of Ukraine to mass consciousness (even though he was ready to sell it for a pretty penny if it so suited him).
southern 75 | 7,097
14 Aug 2010  #145
Respect to both Poland and Ukraine.I am all for expansion of the slavic ground(especially on the west) and the effects it brings.
OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 95
14 Aug 2010  #146
I am all for expansion of the slavic ground(especially on the west)

Germany? ;)
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259
29 Aug 2010  #147
that way Poles can settle in the area regardless.

Wwwelcomeee... I suppose you need more sawn up poles
polishmeknob 5 | 155
29 Aug 2010  #148
I highly doubt this will happen any time soon, but one never knows what the future will hold.
Szalawa 3 | 248
16 Apr 2014  #149
Now with the Ukrainian crisis their is a possibility. I am of ancestry to this area of Poland and would love to be able to live there. The problem is how to do it without hostile actions against Ukraine, Russia held referendum in Crimea because most people there are Russian, in Ukraine kresy most of these people were forced to leave or killed with most of there belonging being destroyed or robbed. I know this is an old thread but it is the future now and an opportunity is now present. Your thoughts?
Meathead 5 | 470
17 Apr 2014  #150
Oh boy, so Putin wants to go back to moving borders? No wonder Eastern Europe is so politically unstable. Let's see Russia moves West, Poland moves East, Germany will want Western Poland back and here we go again, more squabbles over borders. No stability in that part of the world.


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