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Will Komorowski be Poland's worst ever president?


Seanus 15 | 19,706
5 Jul 2010 #31
Why not Charlie? ;) They were all nuts but very charming and smiley. In concrete terms, what will make Kommie 'good'?
noreenb 7 | 557
5 Jul 2010 #32
You tell me.
Charm and smile may be people's big weapon.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #33
Kommie is a big weapon of the wrong kind ;) ;)

Come on, what will he do that'll make him 'good'?
Amathyst 19 | 2,702
6 Jul 2010 #34
Charm and smile may be people's big weapon.

Yeah, look what happened to us, we had slimy Tony for all those years :( Now we've got two clowns..Hopefully your new chap will deliver.
noreenb 7 | 557
6 Jul 2010 #35
Seanus
Kommie is a big weapon of the wrong kind ;) ;)

A weapon he wears is still "hidden" in his open mind.

;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #36
I wonder if his concealed weapon has explosive qualities ;) He is getting older and may not be able to maximise its potential :) :)

So, will this weapon feature in his repertoire to make him 'good'?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Jul 2010 #37
Well, for now - all I have to say is -

HAHAHAHAHA PIS VOTERS, YOUR MAN LOST

:)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #38
Barely. It hardly speaks volumes of Kommie when he had everything in place for a landslide victory. JK got loads of signatures for his campaigns and clawed it back well.

What do you expect of the man, delph?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Jul 2010 #39
It hardly speaks volumes of Kommie when he had everything in place for a landslide victory. JK got loads of signatures for his campaigns and clawed it back well.

To be fair, Kaczynski fought the better campaign. But a better campaign alone wasn't enough to win the election.

What do you expect of the man, delph?

Something similar to Kwasniewski's presidency, I hope - non-controversial, leads the country by example (no making enemies, for instance) and follows the will of the people rather than his own personal agenda.

He will be very bland as President - but as far as I can understand it, that's what they intended the President to be anyway.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #40
True!

Also true!
z_darius 14 | 3,968
6 Jul 2010 #41
Competition between many companies almost always lowers the average prices. All educated people know that.

That is young educated people, of course. Once they grow up a little they discover the concept of mergers, price fixing and cartels. Oil is one glaring example. From dozens of oil companies in the US we now have 3! If the so called market forces were really the driving force of economy then:

- there would be plenty of alternatives to oil available on the market (there are but many have been shelved for decades)
- oil would cost about $0.25 per liter.

Some other examples of the so called competition driving prices down:
- Samsung conspired with other companies Infineon and Hynix) to fix prices of memory chips
- 13 French perfume manufacturers fixing the prices of their products
- vitamin manufacturers fixing the prices of vitamin supplements

These are only the cases that came to light, ad they are the tip of the iceberg.

In the case of Poland, the country will become foreign owned and we know how that works out in the end.
czar 1 | 143
6 Jul 2010 #42
i saw that obama has invited "kommie" to the white house, just like medvedev
DannyJ - | 129
6 Jul 2010 #43
A great country slowly being ruined.

Hooray for democracy
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
6 Jul 2010 #44
Externally it will be good, he's relatively timid.

Internally we're well and truly f*cked though since PO will let whats left of state owned strategic sectors get picked apart by foreigners.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #45
And that's a cardinal son! The people of Poland did a lot to build up their country and it shouldn't be ripe for the pickings for hawkish foreigners to swoop. Fine, some inward investment is a good thing but trading off elements is not what the Polish people need.
Dougpol2 1 | 76
6 Jul 2010 #46
How long have you been in Poland Seanus? I've been here on and off for 25 years now,and yes, without foreign investment, and EU grants, the authorities would be far too conservative and pretty clueless.

I see you like to show off your Polish. The only words one really needs to understand when listening to Polish politicians ruefully explaining why they cant build something is

" Niestety, prosze panstwo........"

Left to itself the Polish state will never splash the cash where it is really required on regeneration, as in grants. Ask anyone who has had their property returned to them in ruins after 40 years of communist appropration.

I'm all for foreign investment and ownership as you can probably tell. I'd rather live in a foreign owned modern conglomerate than a grey coloured ex-communist shithole Polish owned one.
kondzior 12 | 1,098
6 Jul 2010 #47
But during communism every penny was being send to Russia, so no wonder that infrastructure crumbled. We can rebuild our country ourselvs, thank you very much.

And, as France Telecom owning TPSA shows, foreign owner will just try to milk the franchise dry. Why should they care about people in some "ex-communist shithole"?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
6 Jul 2010 #48
Dougpol, almost 6 years. I agree that modernisation was absolutely essential if Poland was going to change its face. There is no question that EU money has propped up Poland and enabled them to do things that otherwise they couldn't do. However, there is a lot of know-how in different spheres here and they just need the funds to make things happen.

Yeah, Poland withheld EU funds that were specifically set aside for road repair and development. There is a worse culprit in Bulgaria. They seem to have hoarded the money or put it in banks for interest to accrue, who knows? This is bad news for Germany as they have to bail out these smaller states oftentimes.

Kommie? A non-entity that is much in the same light as the Queen. Waves a lot and probably farts a lot too.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,254
6 Jul 2010 #49
A non-entity that is much in the same light as the Queen.

Good, that's exactly what the President should be. Just as the Queen theoretically can put a stop to anything that goes too far, the President of Poland should do the same. But equally so, the President shouldn't veto things for the sake of politics.
plk123 8 | 4,150
7 Jul 2010 #50
Internally we're well and truly f*cked though since PO will let whats left of state owned strategic sectors get picked apart by foreigners.

And that's a cardinal son! The people of Poland did a lot to build up their country and it shouldn't be ripe for the pickings for hawkish foreigners to swoop. Fine, some inward investment is a good thing but trading off elements is not what the Polish people need.

how do you know for sure? besides the state still needs to trim up a bit, don't you think?

We can rebuild our country ourselvs, thank you very much.

but that wasn't happening until the EU sent cash PL's way..
kondzior 12 | 1,098
7 Jul 2010 #51
but that wasn't happening until the EU sent cash PL's way..

It just let us speed up things a little. More then a little. Good roads is a nice thing, no denying this, but I could live without them well enough. On the other hand, my brother in law worked in TPSA as technician, once they had a meeting with France Telecom's trade union representative. When asked when the wages of a Polish employees of the France Telecom will be equal to that of a French ones, she answered, without so much as a flinch, "Never".

That why I wonder if it was wise to get into EU in the first place.
frd 7 | 1,399
7 Jul 2010 #52
"Never".
That why I wonder if it was wise to get into EU in the first place.

If TPSA wasn't French or if we were not in the EU these wages wouldn't be equal anyways..
kondzior 12 | 1,098
7 Jul 2010 #53
But it was not "Maybe in 50 years". It was "Never".
krakowiak
7 Jul 2010 #54
True!

Also true!

"He's right, and he's right? They can't both be right."
"You know, you are also right."
frd 7 | 1,399
7 Jul 2010 #55
well, 50 years is pretty much never.. I'm not really amazed by the difference, I mean it's hard to imagine same wage in 2 different countries with a huge difference in wealth.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Jul 2010 #56
Kommie was even likened to the Queen in yesterday's Dziennik Gazeta Prawna in an article ran by Jędrzej Bielecki. I spotted it today (I gave the waving commonality, LOL). The central point of it was to explain that he'd be largely inactive on the foreign policy front. He'll be more of a redundant figurehead.

Crow, this answers your query neatly. If you want to write to him, you can do so at jedrzej.bielecki@infor.pl I'm not breaking any rules here as he put his e-mail in the paper itself and himself so no problem.

In a nutshell, it will be hard to evaluate the efficacy of Kommie's various objectives as he will be little more than a puppet upon a stick. Enter Jeff Dunham :)
alexw68
7 Jul 2010 #57
Kommie was even likened to the Queen

That'll be the moustache, then :)
kondzior 12 | 1,098
7 Jul 2010 #58
well, 50 years is pretty much never.. I'm not really amazed by the difference, I mean it's hard to imagine same wage in 2 different countries with a huge difference in wealth.

It is matter of attitude. Are this "ex-comunnist shithole" dwellers the same people as we, praud Erenchmen or not. If you can hear something like that from trade unionist, what can be expected from a manager?

well, 50 years is pretty much never..

You must be very young.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Jul 2010 #59
Kommie shaved his off for some time. Did the Queen? ;)

Poles can have no right to complain if they don't outline their expectations of him. LK was unfairly attacked at times. When I asked people here how he could have been a better leader, they couldn't really come up with any meaningful suggestions.

So, what are the 10 principal expectations of Poles regarding their new president?

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Dougpol2 1 | 76
7 Jul 2010 #60
So, what are the 10 principal expectations of Poles (and others living here and paying taxes) regarding their new president?

1) Should decline the power of veto and let the government get on with legislating - the president is there to sign decrees and beam politely.

2) Should sell Poland abroad as a willing partner and not some snivelling homophobic nationalist pariah - which it was for 2 years intil quite recently :((

3) Should act intelligently and learn some languages, and act the part, as Kawniewski did

4) Should tell his spouse to keep her trap shut, as in Denis Thatcher type assisatnce but not interference (spouses role is there as charity worker and do-gooder.

5) Should get out and about on fact finding missions, with the intelligence of a Jerzy Buzek

6) No more of these silly speeches that smack of communist ideology - "Nasza Polska, nasza democracia,........." but actually outline some policies for God's sake!

7) Constantly remind everyone how appalling that PIS mob are

8) Shave of that silly 1980s moustache and actually show some bonhomie and charisma for once

9) Less of the ridiculous ******** " Let all Poles work together" and instead lessen the power of the church and strengthen the economy by bringing allegedly corrupt city councils with their "independent" city presidents to book - Katowice being one of them for starters.

10) Keep out of any scandal and get a second term booked up so we can see some real progress in dismantling old laws and building a real society instead of the unfair to small business tax structure we have at the moment, and no returen to the PIS handouts to the so called poor aka lazy bastards.


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