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Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 May 2011 #1
Following a several-day meeting of intellectuals and politicians in Warsaw, PiS leader Jarosław Kaczyński told reproters: "We have succeeded in formulating a kind of diagnosis of what is happening in Poland and outline the way to change things. We do not wish to divide Poles - as some contend - but to unite Poles round a great task. This is a project about changing Poland to make it more friendly to ordinary Poles in every area, because we discussed transport, our cities, energy, foreign policy, education, culture and everything the authorities deal with... The Grand Project was meeting of intellectuals of different views, not all were conservatives. Any comments?
PennBoy 76 | 2,436
8 May 2011 #2
Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland

Pay people more, make their lives easier and they'll be friendlier.
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
8 May 2011 #3
Has he been stealing ideas from Palikot? ;-)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #4
Everything starts with the desire/will of the people, Pol3. The thing is, too many would rather moan about it rather than do sth to change it. It's deeply ingrained in their mindset to do so so I suggest that JK drops his slogans and let people craft things as they will.
Koala 1 | 332
8 May 2011 #5
Kaczyński wants a people-friendly Poland

It's nice to want things.
Zman
8 May 2011 #6
When was JK friendly to anyone himself? He only knows how to destroy things and nothing about how to build.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #7
He was friendly to the Russians after Smoleńsk until his true colours shone through ;)
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #8
I don't call telling people how fine they are when they lie to us friendliness - if someone kicks you in the ankle praising them makes as much sense as hating them
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #9
Further proof that JK is a desperate opportunist. What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown? Government is here to govern, not to set the mood of the people in that way.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
8 May 2011 #10
if the government feels the need to lift our spirits is it not acknowlegement that they are part responsible for lowering them.

What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown?

aren't we doing something similar in another thread.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #11
Feelgood factors come through making sensible decisions that are in the interests of the majority. Friendliness is sth that people create more amongst themselves, perhaps aided by government in some way but by no means largely.

Not necessarily, Wrocław. Several factors could have caused a low in the population, e.g Smoleńsk. PiS have just picked up on it but I can't see how they will change things.

What other thread, the uptight one?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
8 May 2011 #12
if the government feels the need to lift our spirits is it not acknowlegement that they are part responsible for lowering them.

Thats not your goverment so what is it to you?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
8 May 2011 #13
Actually, it is. as was every other one i have voted for since the mid 90's.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #14
They haven't been in government since at least Oct 2007, Sok. Where is the sense in conducting projects when your people cannot carry them out? JK acts like he is in charge and he isn't.
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #15
Further proof that JK is a desperate opportunist. What right does a group of so-called intellectuals have to decide if people smile or frown?

JK may be a desperate opportunist - but where did you get this other sentence from?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #16
What do you mean, gumishu? No intellectual will tell me to smile or frown and I think many Poles would react in exactly the same way. It's none of their business. Govern the country. Oh, I'm sorry, they are not even in power ;)
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #17
No intellectual will tell me to smile or frown and I think many Poles would react in exactly the same way

but where did you get these intelectuals wishing Poles to smile (or frown) at their behest (man those dictionaries drive me mad ;) - can you say on command instead of 'at one's behest' in English
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #18
Look at the first post, gumi. The implication is very much there. It was a meeting, not a lecture ;)

You could say 'on their command' or 'according to their wishes', yes

What, Tusk doesn't want a people-friendly Poland?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
8 May 2011 #19
Actually, it is. as was every other one i have voted for since the mid 90's.

Nope, you're a brit or something else.
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #20
What, Tusk doesn't want a people-friendly Poland?

and does he? what makes you think he does except his own words? maybe compulsory school education for six-year-olds? (of course they need to be mixed with older years to achieve better 'socialization' meaning they should grow up and take all those punches from older kids they sure deserve with gratitude and patience - children should be good Christians, no? )
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
8 May 2011 #21
Nope, you're a brit or something else.

not according to my passport.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
8 May 2011 #22
Any comments?

Yes - the people don't trust Kaczynski, it's as simple as that. He can talk all he likes - but his behaviour post-election this year has well and firmly turned people against him.

All this talk is just that - talk.

Until PiS convince the electorate that they're trustworthy (and so far, the SLD are doing a far better job of that) - they're going to remain in the political wilderness.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
8 May 2011 #23
not according to my passport.

Passport makes you a citizen not a Pole, for me you're foreign.
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #24
Look at the first post, gumi. The implication is very much there. It was a meeting, not a lecture ;)

by the way I looked at the first post and couldn't see what you saw
mafketis 24 | 9,128
8 May 2011 #25
This sounds to me like same old, same old.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,475
8 May 2011 #26
Pretty much.

Wonder how much public cash was wasted with this?
Wroclaw 44 | 5,385
8 May 2011 #27
for me you're foreign.

ok, i can deal with that.

can we get back to the topic now, thanks.
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #28
Pretty much.

Wonder how much public cash was wasted with this?

why do you think there was any public cash involved?

btw slightly out of topic - I'm pretty sure you all remember that people laughed when the news that Jarosław Kaczyński does not have a bank account hit the screen - apparently he did so for a quite specific reason as mentioned here

youtube.com/watch?v=IlVk_nKZUwI
Seanus 15 | 19,706
8 May 2011 #29
Gumi, I don't see what you mean at all. What is it that is eluding you?
gumishu 11 | 5,629
8 May 2011 #30
hmm I believe you have a feeling those 'intelectuals' or intelectuals (whichever suits you) expressed some desire to able to tell people when they should be happy and when upset but I don't find anything in either the original post of the thread or in the article linked that could support such an idea (maybe it is your gut feeling but these are difficult to debate)

sorry to grumble so much - I just find too many people are biased in their judgement of Kaczyński (which is media-created to my mind mostly (completely one-sided etc etc - bordering in a knee-jerk reaction in many individuals - perhaps not so much here in the PolishForums) - oh I grumble again ;)


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